EPTWhy are Starcraft fans so obsessed with BM - Page 6
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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NotGood-
United States134 Posts
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colddweller
United States12 Posts
On September 17 2010 03:51 awesomoecalypse wrote: Golf - before his downfall, Tiger Woods was the most popular golfer in America hands down, and he was famous for his "BM" and freaking out/cursing on the pitch You seriously believe Tiger Woods was famous for his BM above all else? He was/is famous because he absolutely manhandled everyone else on the course, not because he got mad at a few stray shots. In fact, he was so good at the game that I'm pretty sure there is no way to quantify if him being bad mannered or not has any effect on his legendary status. | ||
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phuzi0n
United States308 Posts
IMO it's the prevelance of kids in a gaming community that dicates whether there's manners or not. In RTS games it takes years to get skilled so the people that do stick around become more mannered than they were when they started. In other genre's the game popularity can blow up when it's released and then quickly die off when the next best thing replaces it 2 months later without ever developing a community standard for behavior. I personally hate excessive GM or BM and prefer a middleground where people are generally well behaved but can do joking rages semi-frequently or real rages occasionally. Everybody gets pissed sometimes and I don't think you should hide it like Asian cultures do but I don't think you should act like a 12 year old either. | ||
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Metalwing
Turkey1038 Posts
For example, I BMed a lot in FM tournaments, mostly like: After winning a noob with a lower class team with worse players compared to his team, and the score was 5-0: "He played well, but he was unlucky. By the way, what I meant is he was unlucky with brackets, not with gameplay". Or: "He did everything well, and he made only 1 mistake for the whole game: Thinking that he had a chance". Or: (Before the game) There will be a huge margin, prepare yourselves. (After getting an arranged defeat of 13-1) I told that there would be a huge margin. Btw, That 13-1 defeat was after I guaranteed the 1st place in groups and I just wanted some mofo not to pass the group stage (he made me play with 4 injured first team players, and he whined and raged all day long in the forum  ).But who thinks that this is bad ?! Except some forum moforators who banned me for throwing a game. | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
And IdrA is MUCH more interesting thanks to it. | ||
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Keyser
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OneWhoIsMany
Canada292 Posts
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kentonator
Vatican City State95 Posts
However, while in game I think when players all talking trash its good, like linebackers talking shit to the QB and stuff like that. I like to talk trash while owning people in Dota...see how fast I make em rage quit. | ||
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
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Reason.SC2
Canada1047 Posts
Saying someone sucks because they cheesed you is absurd. For all you know they could be experimenting with builds or *god forbid* just having fun playing an ultra-aggressive play style. (After all SC2 is a game remember? Some people like to have fun while playing and people find different strategies and styles fun) If someone says in an interview "i think that I am a better player so I expect to win this series" there's no bm there, but insulting your opponent or saying they suck or are noob after they beat you is so childish and shows how mentally and psychologically underdeveloped you are to a random stranger. Its pretty embarrassing really. The whole argument that trash talking is part of American culture thus should be accepted is riiiiidiculous lol. Slavery was a part of American culture too for much longer than trash talking. Want to try the same line of reasoning there? Bottom line is if you're a douche with the psychological/emotional development of a fifth grader then BM all you want. Just know that you're embarrassing yourself and are probably not a quality human being. You can't compare this to trash talking in sports though because there is an understanding between athletes that trash talk is a way to get amped up for physical competition. There is no such agreement in gaming nor need there be as adrenaline boosts gained from this sort of behaviour are likely more harmful than helpful. | ||
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Macavity
United States83 Posts
People who tend to spend all day on the Internet and playing video games are somewhat effeminate. Testosterone filled men are extremely aggressive and while they respect each other's ability on the field, they talk like men, act like men, and scratch themselves like men. It is so ridiculous that not typing the letters 'gg' is considered 'bad mannered'. Did these people grow up never breaking a 'rule' in their life? Did they never get in trouble as kids? Why are they so docile? It is one thing to act like a 13 year old Bnet trash punk which is not just unacceptable but uncivilized. No one likes that 13 year old talk. But real men talk is fun.... ...unless you wear a skirt. One common thing video game players do is idolize some Eastern country. In the 80s and 90s, it was Japan. For Starcraft, it is obviously South Korea. The entire stupid 'gg' began because the kids began to emulate the Koreans. They probably thought they were 'highly cultured' by typing random letters at the start and at the end of games. If your mother language is English, then not typing English makes you sound like a 9 year old on AOL. I'm not in Korea. Why the heck should I talk like they do or act like they do? And why are people so arrogant to believe there is a 'right' way and 'wrong' way how to 'act' during my games online? | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
A bit of "trash-talk" before a match or series is fun and adds hype to the match, sure, but I don't want drama or any level of animosity between players. | ||
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AmaZing
Nepal299 Posts
But in a serious note. Bm is pretty much an American thing. i doubt its going to stop, ever. But in the starcraft community Bm is frowned upon coz starcraft gamers have a better IQ and understanding and therefore people expect manners. Also reputation is at stake, Look at Idra. People don't have a good impression of him for a reason. | ||
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
Call me naive, but I like to believe there is a reason to compete that is fueled by intellect, curiosity and a will to perform, not just pure testosterone. Trashtalking speaks only of the latter. There's a difference between taunting (aforementioned dropping mules on tanks, /dance command, etc) and being an ass. Taunting can be funny (to observers and even the player being taunted) and can be used to throw them off their game. Trashtalking is an immature attempt at doing the same, just without actually being funny. Should trashtalking be allowed in the pro circuit? Yes. Should it be encouraged? Fuck no. Unless we want SC2 to be the next WWF, keep that shit out of the game. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 17 2010 04:02 Macavity wrote: To the OP: People who tend to spend all day on the Internet and playing video games are somewhat effeminate. Testosterone filled men are extremely aggressive and while they respect each other's ability on the field, they talk like men, act like men, and scratch themselves like men. It is so ridiculous that not typing the letters 'gg' is considered 'bad mannered'. Did these people grow up never breaking a 'rule' in their life? Did they never get in trouble as kids? Why are they so docile? It is one thing to act like a 13 year old Bnet trash punk which is not just unacceptable but uncivilized. No one likes that 13 year old talk. But real men talk is fun.... ...unless you wear a skirt. One common thing video game players do is idolize some Eastern country. In the 80s and 90s, it was Japan. For Starcraft, it is obviously South Korea. The entire stupid 'gg' began because the kids began to emulate the Koreans. They probably thought they were 'highly cultured' by typing random letters at the start and at the end of games. If your mother language is English, then not typing English makes you sound like a 9 year old on AOL. I'm not in Korea. Why the heck should I talk like they do or act like they do? And why are people so arrogant to believe there is a 'right' way and 'wrong' way how to 'act' during my games online? .....'gg' began because of the Koreans? Not because it was nice to say "good game" after a good game? Hey dude, I like to high five my opponents after playing football with them. I guess I learned that from the Koreans too? | ||
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Knap4life
Slovenia333 Posts
Like somebody said in this thread already BM =immature | ||
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Antares777
United States1971 Posts
On September 17 2010 03:15 comis wrote: I agree with you ... but you're about to get flamed by 90% of the community  99.9% percent of the community more likely. | ||
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
Take the success of the WWF's marketing strategy as an example. There is a great deal of athletic excellence involved in professional wrestling, they train hard to stay in shape and put on a good physical show. However, people always come back to see whether their favorite hero or villain will succeed in the newest event. There is tons of trash talk leading up to the matches, and it really heightens the effect of every blow. This is coming from someone that detests professional wrestling for a number of reasons, but the effectiveness of this marketing strategy isn't disputable. Pro-gamers involved in international e-Sports don't have to take it to the same extreme to enhance the viewer's experience. They don't have to whine and cry after they lose, but a bit of posturing before a match on camera is awesome. Describing how they're going to demolish their opponent strategically, mechanically and psychologically really gets you psyched for your favorite player. I know it gets me on the edge of my seat every time. | ||
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
On September 17 2010 04:02 Macavity wrote: To the OP: People who tend to spend all day on the Internet and playing video games are somewhat effeminate. Testosterone filled men are extremely aggressive and while they respect each other's ability on the field, they talk like men, act like men, and scratch themselves like men. It is so ridiculous that not typing the letters 'gg' is considered 'bad mannered'. Did these people grow up never breaking a 'rule' in their life? Did they never get in trouble as kids? Why are they so docile? It is one thing to act like a 13 year old Bnet trash punk which is not just unacceptable but uncivilized. No one likes that 13 year old talk. But real men talk is fun.... ...unless you wear a skirt. One common thing video game players do is idolize some Eastern country. In the 80s and 90s, it was Japan. For Starcraft, it is obviously South Korea. The entire stupid 'gg' began because the kids began to emulate the Koreans. They probably thought they were 'highly cultured' by typing random letters at the start and at the end of games. If your mother language is English, then not typing English makes you sound like a 9 year old on AOL. I'm not in Korea. Why the heck should I talk like they do or act like they do? And why are people so arrogant to believe there is a 'right' way and 'wrong' way how to 'act' during my games online? In this post: machismo and ignorance. Post match congratulations/handshakes, apparently, did not come into being through centuries of sports, but were invented by the Koreans. In English, no less. | ||
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