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SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
September 11 2010 08:13 GMT
#41
Regardless of if it is a bannable offense or not..


would you really use something so obviously unfair?
zak
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1009 Posts
September 11 2010 08:39 GMT
#42
On September 11 2010 08:14 MrPiccolo wrote:
an example of a macro i made work yesterday is for injecting larva with your all your queens in one click.

it takes just under 0.4 seconds to inject up to 7 hatcheries

this seems like cheating it's so good, but can you be banned for using it? need to know before i start using it online ;p



dude why are you asking? no shiet that is cheating. injecting 7 hatches in .4 seconds....ffs it takes more time to move to one hatch, click one queen, and inject one hatch.
You know how to gain a victory, but not use it - maharbal
Daskies
Profile Joined August 2010
United States24 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-11 09:05:46
September 11 2010 08:39 GMT
#43
Not sure if I can delete my own post somehow.
Clampt
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia3 Posts
September 11 2010 08:49 GMT
#44
might aswell let an ai play
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
September 11 2010 08:51 GMT
#45
On September 11 2010 17:49 Clampt wrote:
might aswell let an ai play


Would you really want Zim fighting for you?
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
September 11 2010 09:17 GMT
#46
On September 11 2010 08:10 fantomex wrote:
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For example, in World of Warcraft performing more than one in-game event per second is considered a breach of the Terms of Service and is therefore bannable.


I laughed.

Don't use macros, in WoW or SC2.

Macros in WoW are OK ... as long as they are in game macros.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
AveiMil
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway138 Posts
September 11 2010 09:20 GMT
#47
On September 11 2010 17:13 SovSov wrote:
Regardless of if it is a bannable offense or not..


would you really use something so obviously unfair?


It's not unfair, everyone can setup their controls as they please.
ilve
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
September 11 2010 09:22 GMT
#48
On September 11 2010 08:32 cryu wrote:
If macros are illegal, then why does the Starcraft 2 Razer keyboard have macro recording capabilities?
http://www2.razerzone.com/sc2/marauder.php

EDIT: I would love it if Blizzard cleared up this stuff for Starcraft 2.

Do you unplug your keyboard when you stop playing SC2?

It should be fairly obvious; the feature exists for you to be used where it is permitted. Nowhere does it say that using macros is intended for SC2, just because it's an SC2-themed keyboard.
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Melt
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland281 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-11 09:28:13
September 11 2010 09:27 GMT
#49
On September 11 2010 08:06 MrPiccolo wrote:
in World of Warcraft performing more than one in-game event per second is considered a breach of the Terms of Service and is therefore bannable.


So, you are NOT allowed to have more than 60 apm in WoW? Guess they don't think that anyone who plays WoW would have more than 60 apm than... and if someone has more, he's cheating :D

But maybe an ingame-event isn't an action (but consists of multiple clicks).. otherwise thats really stupid.. considering that the highest apm peak they measured in SC1 was 800 :D (i believe it was Julyzerg during a showmatch)

@topic: Macros arent allowed, but i doubt that you'll get banned if you have a macro mouse or keybord. Just don't use it.
AveiMil
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway138 Posts
September 11 2010 09:28 GMT
#50
On September 11 2010 18:22 Craton wrote:
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On September 11 2010 08:32 cryu wrote:
If macros are illegal, then why does the Starcraft 2 Razer keyboard have macro recording capabilities?
http://www2.razerzone.com/sc2/marauder.php

EDIT: I would love it if Blizzard cleared up this stuff for Starcraft 2.

Do you unplug your keyboard when you stop playing SC2?

It should be fairly obvious; the feature exists for you to be used where it is permitted. Nowhere does it say that using macros is intended for SC2, just because it's an SC2-themed keyboard.


That's a silly conclusion. OF COURSE macro's are legal in SC2, to consider it as illegal is just plain absurd.

I've tried to make a lot of macro's that give me an edge for StarCraft 2 but it's extremely hard to even make a macro that is actually useful in game. You're very limited when it comes to creating macro's that actually give you an advantage.
ilve
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
September 11 2010 09:35 GMT
#51
On September 11 2010 18:28 AveiMil wrote:
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On September 11 2010 18:22 Craton wrote:
On September 11 2010 08:32 cryu wrote:
If macros are illegal, then why does the Starcraft 2 Razer keyboard have macro recording capabilities?
http://www2.razerzone.com/sc2/marauder.php

EDIT: I would love it if Blizzard cleared up this stuff for Starcraft 2.

Do you unplug your keyboard when you stop playing SC2?

It should be fairly obvious; the feature exists for you to be used where it is permitted. Nowhere does it say that using macros is intended for SC2, just because it's an SC2-themed keyboard.


That's a silly conclusion. OF COURSE macro's are legal in SC2, to consider it as illegal is just plain absurd.

I've tried to make a lot of macro's that give me an edge for StarCraft 2 but it's extremely hard to even make a macro that is actually useful in game. You're very limited when it comes to creating macro's that actually give you an advantage.


I guess you missed this post, seems like a rather big advantage don't you think?

On September 11 2010 08:14 MrPiccolo wrote:
an example of a macro i made work yesterday is for injecting larva with your all your queens in one click.

it takes just under 0.4 seconds to inject up to 7 hatcheries

this seems like cheating it's so good, but can you be banned for using it? need to know before i start using it online ;p
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AveiMil
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway138 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-11 09:43:07
September 11 2010 09:39 GMT
#52
I can't even imagine how that would work as a macro.

If he's made some sort of script that searches the entire SC2 map for hatcheries using image recognition and selects the nearest queen and does inject larvae that's not what I consider a fucking key macro.

Provide examples of in-game use please. (I call bullshit on this one).
ilve
AveiMil
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway138 Posts
September 11 2010 09:45 GMT
#53
Just to clarify, a game macro is a string of (game) actions put together. You cannot fucking inject larvae in 7 hatcheries spread out across the map in 0.4 seconds using a string of game actions.
ilve
huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
September 11 2010 09:52 GMT
#54
On September 11 2010 18:45 AveiMil wrote:
Just to clarify, a game macro is a string of (game) actions put together. You cannot fucking inject larvae in 7 hatcheries spread out across the map in 0.4 seconds using a string of game actions.


You put your mouse in the center of the screen, then hit the macro button which: selects your group of queens, then hits backspace+v+click 7 times. I don't play zerg or have macro capabilities but I'm pretty sure this is what he did.
skating
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-11 10:01:10
September 11 2010 10:00 GMT
#55
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 11 2010 10:11 GMT
#56
On September 11 2010 19:00 Inori wrote:
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For example, in World of Warcraft performing more than one in-game event per second is considered a breach of the Terms of Service and is therefore bannable.

Any serious PvP or PvE player can tell you that this is BS. As a restro druid I had to do about 150-200 APM in hardmode raids and this is not something out of the ordinary.
Didn't play WoW for 1,5 years but I'm pretty sure it's still the same.

As for your question, yes it is bannable as long as it's not 1:1 macro.


There is no apm in wow please stop this.

If it's not illegal it should be.It's definetly unfair.Also wow macros weren't unfair because everyone could make and use them.
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
September 11 2010 10:38 GMT
#57
Well simply put Macros are forbidden.

I mean if you have a "1:1 Macro" that isn't a macro, it's a key bind :/
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
AveiMil
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway138 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-11 11:04:41
September 11 2010 10:44 GMT
#58
On September 11 2010 18:52 huameng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2010 18:45 AveiMil wrote:
Just to clarify, a game macro is a string of (game) actions put together. You cannot fucking inject larvae in 7 hatcheries spread out across the map in 0.4 seconds using a string of game actions.


You put your mouse in the center of the screen, then hit the macro button which: selects your group of queens, then hits backspace+v+click 7 times. I don't play zerg or have macro capabilities but I'm pretty sure this is what he did.


Damn, that actually works, simply because of the backspace functionality that cycles through the hatcheries (which I've never used before).

But really doing the same thing manually was very fast as well.

Cute macro trick that will improve your game slightly but won't win you anything. I don't play Zerg and I would not mind a Zerg using this against me.

There's a limitation to using this macro though, you HAVE to have a queen at each hatchery as otherwise the Queens will start running between them and clearly that can't be good (unless they're really close).
ilve
techh
Profile Joined June 2010
Iceland82 Posts
September 11 2010 10:45 GMT
#59
There is no apm in wow please stop this.


lol what? apm = actions per minute, apm is in every game.
You can't see it but you could create an addon to track it,

But in wow apm isnt important at all since most classes dont need more than 80-120. (more in HM endgame content but thats pretty obv)
Salvarias
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark231 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-11 11:36:08
September 11 2010 11:29 GMT
#60
Normaly I don't try to judge people on what mouse/keyboard they use (lol TLO's IBM keyboard) BUT I would seriosely dump slap anyone irl that I knew had a razer naga... seriosely you pay insane high price for what ? is it really that hard to press the keys on the keyboard, also your mouse hand should have it focus elsewhere.

And while on the subject I belive that the Naga mouse is seriosely bad for your hand to hold on, it seems to be so uncomftable to hold on compared to so many other mice.

Also a word of advice, I wouldnt actively use the razer naga for sc2 play, it's protential for excessive macro(which clearly is ban reasons) would possible make it one of the only mice to be banned from tournaments when SC2 gets bigger.
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