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On September 11 2010 08:32 cryu wrote:If macros are illegal, then why does the Starcraft 2 Razer keyboard have macro recording capabilities? http://www2.razerzone.com/sc2/marauder.phpEDIT: I would love it if Blizzard cleared up this stuff for Starcraft 2.
That's actually pretty funny now that you point that out 
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I still think people are getting a bit confused over this.
One >button< doing two things is allowed. But you have to >click< that button twice.
So you could set up a macro that selected X and built Y using just one button. But you would have to click that button twice for it to be a legal macro. Two clicks for two actions.
This is the way the rules were laid down in WoW and I'm pretty sure the same would apply for SC2.
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On September 11 2010 08:06 MrPiccolo wrote:Hi guys My mouse (a Razer Naga) can create macros with timed delays between mouseclicks/keystrokes. Is this considered cheating? I'm not talking about whether or not you feel that such a mouse puts players at at advantage to others, and should therefore not be allowed, instead I am talking about whether or not using my mouse for macros (with timed delays between each event) is considered breaking in-game rules set down by Blizzard. For example, in World of Warcraft performing more than one in-game event per second is considered a breach of the Terms of Service and is therefore bannable. However, Starcraft seems not to have any global cooldowns or any mechanism to limit the speed at which events can take place. Can anybody please let me know, preferably with a reliable source? If it's not considered cheating then I'm going to be posting a whole bunch of cool macros that i've designed whilst at my Summer job (It's data inputting, I get bored). Cheers guys P.S. if they are indeed "legal" does anyone know if there are any threads discussing macros? thanks 
But my friend, where is your honor ?
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cheating because you are using a "bot"
simple as that.
macros in wow are allowed, but not things that automate a portion of the game
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Removing macros period would be nice (that would mean getting rid of the SC2 product line...)
Might as well just build/program a damn bot and have that play your game...
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So a macro that makes pushing 1 act as double clicking 1 is illegal?
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On September 11 2010 08:32 cryu wrote:If macros are illegal, then why does the Starcraft 2 Razer keyboard have macro recording capabilities? http://www2.razerzone.com/sc2/marauder.phpEDIT: I would love it if Blizzard cleared up this stuff for Starcraft 2.
Wow branded products (e.g., the razer naga) also supported macros even though the "one click, one action" policy had long-since been in effect.
Macros are a "required" feature expected of every premium gaming peripheral out there, hence you see them in your gaming products. Exceptions exist of course, e.g., the steelseries 7g.
It's also reasonable to speculate that adding macro functionality to new peripherals has relatively low cost for a substantial gain (from a marketing perspective) since much of the work (designing the UI and infrastructure to program macros on the user side) has already been done.
On September 11 2010 09:18 dark88 wrote:
So a macro that makes pushing 1 act as double clicking 1 is illegal?
Yes since double clicking 1 amounts to two actions. Making a macro that presses ctrl-f8 is not illegal because pressing ctrl first does not generate an action.
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Now i am wondering myself, is it allowed to rebind keys to your mouse/keyboard?
havnt found a real way to change it ingame but got a program wich changes my mouse's button 4 to backspace wich increases inject a lot since you dont need to change your hand.
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On September 11 2010 09:32 Kambing wrote:Wow branded products (e.g., the razer naga) also supported macros even though the "one click, one action" policy had long-since been in effect. Macros are a "required" feature expected of every premium gaming peripheral out there, hence you see them in your gaming products. Exceptions exist of course, e.g., the steelseries 7g. It's also reasonable to speculate that adding macro functionality to new peripherals has relatively low cost for a substantial gain (from a marketing perspective) since much of the work (designing the UI and infrastructure to program macros on the user side) has already been done. Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 09:18 dark88 wrote:
So a macro that makes pushing 1 act as double clicking 1 is illegal? Yes since double clicking 1 amounts to two actions. Making a macro that presses ctrl-f8 is not illegal because pressing ctrl first does not generate an action.
<3 my macro-less 7G
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On September 11 2010 09:33 Assirra wrote:
Now i am wondering myself, is it allowed to rebind keys to your mouse/keyboard?
havnt found a real way to change it ingame but got a program wich changes my mouse's button 4 to backspace wich increases inject a lot since you dont need to change your hand.
Yes, that is fine. And god willing, blizzard will implement re-mappable hotkeys in the not-so-distant future (they have said this is on their to do list) so jump-to-base can go on ~ instead of backspace where it belongs.
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The general rule is:
If you press a button and more than 1 command is tied to it, it's a macro and is considered cheating.
Example:
If you map 1 mouse button to 1 keyboard key, i.e. right click = "S" and make 1 scv, it's not cheating.
If you map 1 mouse button to "A, A" to make 2 marines = cheating.
Basically 1 button = 1 action.
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On September 11 2010 08:14 MrPiccolo wrote:
an example of a macro i made work yesterday is for injecting larva with your all your queens in one click.
it takes just under 0.4 seconds to inject up to 7 hatcheries
this seems like cheating it's so good, but can you be banned for using it? need to know before i start using it online ;p
It almost seems like you're no longer playing the game at this point. What is the game if not a test of your multitasking? If you're just in it for padding stats, I think a maphack would be a better option, or better yet, a dischack.
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While I don't think there's any practical way for them to detect this over Battle.net (nor do I think they would care enough to put resources into doing so), but given the fact that it will very likely be illegal in most LAN settings or at very least, frowned upon, I'd just practice the game without any such macros to be safe. Besides, using macros also takes time to get accustomed to and I've found that macros on mouse buttons are often more of a hindrance since it has a tendency to mess with your accuracy when trying to do precision movements. I've found that if you are going to use macros, then keyboard macros just make a lot more sense for games like this. I never really got into the concept of the Naga, even for MMO's. It just feels weird to me.
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On September 11 2010 08:06 MrPiccolo wrote:Hi guys My mouse (a Razer Naga) can create macros with timed delays between mouseclicks/keystrokes. Is this considered cheating? I'm not talking about whether or not you feel that such a mouse puts players at at advantage to others, and should therefore not be allowed, instead I am talking about whether or not using my mouse for macros (with timed delays between each event) is considered breaking in-game rules set down by Blizzard. For example, in World of Warcraft performing more than one in-game event per second is considered a breach of the Terms of Service and is therefore bannable. However, Starcraft seems not to have any global cooldowns or any mechanism to limit the speed at which events can take place. Can anybody please let me know, preferably with a reliable source? If it's not considered cheating then I'm going to be posting a whole bunch of cool macros that i've designed whilst at my Summer job (It's data inputting, I get bored). Cheers guys P.S. if they are indeed "legal" does anyone know if there are any threads discussing macros? thanks
From what I understand, single key presses are "for sure" allowed.
Macros - I think it depends on how complex they are. If they are any sort of "automation" I beileve you can get banned, but I do not think that is true for simple macros.
Just a warning though - any actual macro of multiple keypresses "may" not be allowed.
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On September 11 2010 08:32 cryu wrote:If macros are illegal, then why does the Starcraft 2 Razer keyboard have macro recording capabilities? http://www2.razerzone.com/sc2/marauder.phpEDIT: I would love it if Blizzard cleared up this stuff for Starcraft 2.
People seem to bring up this argument up a lot but generally people don't buy a keyboard and only use it for one thing. aka. You will use the keyboard for other things than just starcraft 2.
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You are allowed to make macros, but anything that looks like a bot is illegal.
Anyone saying they got banned for using a macro keyboard or something are just lying idiots.
Blizzard doesn't have the means to automatically detect macros so I'm not sure how you could ever get caught even if you did make a 'illegal macro' for SC2 though.
And you'd never be allowed to use macros in a offline tournament, so might as well just learn to do it the proper way even if you have no intention of playing in a offline tour, but you never know :p
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It does seem strange that the Official Starcraft 2 equipment has these macro abilities if it is illegal.
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Beyond this be considered cheating, don't you think this gives you an unfair (not based on skill) advantage over those who don't have a macro mouse?
If I was using this I would feel like every win would be illegitimate anyways.
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I use the G19 keyboard, but I dont use macroes. I use one of the extra buttons to keybind 'backspace' since I am more comfortable with my hand at the left side of the keyboard. But do not think changing keybinds like that is in any way illegal.
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