EPTAssuming the above stories are true and not just gossip, Gretech/Blizzard can go fuck themselves. I feel guilty for buying and playing StarCraft 2.
[Update p.28] Gretech - KeSPA/MBC negotiations break down…
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Assuming the above stories are true and not just gossip, Gretech/Blizzard can go fuck themselves. I feel guilty for buying and playing StarCraft 2. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
This is exactly what I wanted to happen though, I want kespa and all the pro teams to unite and boycott sc2, not because i think sc2 is not as good as bw for competitive play, but because of the way blizz and gom are trying to monopolize the korean esport scene. Hopefully when this goes to court, the rulings are favorable for kespa and permanently squash any chance blizz has of taking over the esports scene. Blizzard has become purely about the money (yes there was a time when they actually thoroughly cared about the game content before wow went into development) and I do not think they care enough about esports to have that passion and drive to evolve it in the spirit of competition. Everything they do would be corporate BS. I also dislike how already in GSL you have tasteless and artosis mindlessly just promoting SC2. I think they were told that they had to zoom in on buildings and units more to show off the pretty graphics as a promotional tactic, and they keep spouting misinformation like saying GSL has the biggest prize money of any esports to date. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
The only 16 posts you have on TL are all about kespa vs gretech thing. I have strong faith that you are a blizzard or gretech guy look if "blizzard guys" actually were so passionate about the game that they trolled random forums defending there work, I'd respect them a lot more. hes just an idiot lol. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On September 07 2010 05:48 Half wrote: look if "blizzard guys" actually were so passionate about the game that they trolled random forums defending there work, I'd respect them a lot more. hes just an idiot lol. Well there's also the fact that he is specifically arguing against the formation of proleague teams when he started getting into more specifics of why he dislikes Kespa. Then comes out the translation about GOM calling for disbanding of proleague teams. Hmm... All I got to say is fuck Blizzard. And fuck GOMTV. Blizzard makes great games but their current policies make me sick. | ||
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Evil_Monkey_
Denmark296 Posts
On September 07 2010 03:06 sincx wrote: Part 3: 在暴雪提出如此苛刻条件的情况下，KeSpa依旧努力着找平衡点。但是在这次第四次协商中因为GomTV全盘否定战队的存在意义，导致了双方矛盾越来越大，因此此次争论还将更久。 Even despite Blizzard's harsh demands, KeSPA still worked to find common ground. But at this 4th negation session, where GomTV called into question the reason for the existence of the proteams, the rift between the parties has grown even wider. This disagreement may last even longer. SKT1，KT等战队携手赞助商寻找对策 SKT1, KT, and other proteams unite with sponsors to develop response SKT1，KT，STX和熊津等战队赞助商决定结成“反暴雪阵营”。在8月26日协商中，GomTV提出了战队联赛对自己举办的GSL毫无利益，因此不能承认SPL的意见。 这次协商是由SKT1，KT和熊津成为战队代表与GomTV协商，而协商团也表示尊重知识产权，并会努力找到平衡点。但是GomTV方面则全盘否定了职 业战队存在意义，提出了无理要求，最终不欢而散。因此协商团代表将结果报给了各个战队，而各大战队也决定团结一致，抵制GomTV的意见。 SKT1, KT, STX, Woojin, and other proteams sponsors have formed an "Anti-Blizzard Alliance" [or Horde, haha]. During the August 26 negotiations, GomTV refuses to even acknowledge proteams and the SPL despite diligent effort of the proteams to find a resolution. Due to GomTV's unacceptable demands, the negotiations broke down, and each proteam representative relayed the results back to the teams. The teams, after receiving the report, have decided to unite as one to fight GomTV. 参加本次协商团的企业，都决定在SPL获得举办权之前不会参加星际2各种比赛。旗下选手也不会参赛，而对于现在正在进行的MSL，OSL和SPL都决定 强制进行。GSL在OGN的直播也因此被阻止。虽然OGN已经和GomTV达成了协议，但是在GomTV不准举办韩国电竞最具代表性的战队联赛，并无视战 队的情况下，作为KeSpa会员的OGN必须要与KeSpa同步。而作为KeSpa会长的SKT1赵启形在听到这种结果之后表示：所有韩国电竞圈必须要团 结一致，进行强有力的一击。 All proteams participating in the negotiations have decided to boycott any sort of Starcraft 2 activity until the situation is resolved. In addition, the current tournaments of MSL, OSL, and Prologue will forcefully continue [note: it's not clear if "current" refers to only this season or the tournaments in general]. In addition, OGN will not broadcast GSL. Even though OGN and GomTV already have a contract, if GomTV does not allow proteams, Korea broadcast eSport's defining feature, to continue, then OGN as a KeSPA member must stay in line with KeSPA. KeSPA's head official, SKT1's Cho Gye Hyeong [best effort] said, after hearing the decisions of the teams: all Korea broadcast eSport organizations must remain united and attack GomTV/Blizzard forcefully. [End] Those bastards!!!!!! *Sharpens knife* | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On September 07 2010 05:46 robertdinh wrote: Still going to see a lot of weaker ex-bw players and new age kiddies trying to chase after those GSL prize pools. This is exactly what I wanted to happen though, I want kespa and all the pro teams to unite and boycott sc2, not because i think sc2 is not as good as bw for competitive play, but because of the way blizz and gom are trying to monopolize the korean esport scene. Hopefully when this goes to court, the rulings are favorable for kespa and permanently squash any chance blizz has of taking over the esports scene. Blizzard has become purely about the money (yes there was a time when they actually thoroughly cared about the game content before wow went into development) and I do not think they care enough about esports to have that passion and drive to evolve it in the spirit of competition. Everything they do would be corporate BS. I also dislike how already in GSL you have tasteless and artosis mindlessly just promoting SC2. I think they were told that they had to zoom in on buildings and units more to show off the pretty graphics as a promotional tactic, and they keep spouting misinformation like saying GSL has the biggest prize money of any esports to date. exactly my thoughts | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 07 2010 06:46 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: KeSPA's head official, SKT1's Cho Gye Hyeong [best effort] said, after hearing the decisions of the teams: all Korea broadcast eSport organizations must remain united and attack GomTV/Blizzard forcefully. Only one house will prevail. Your battle for Dune begins... now. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
They've built their empire on sand. Gom paid for the rights and now they can do what they want. Kespa should've negotiated when it had the chance. Tbh I have to admit despite being a long term BroodWar fan I'm far more exicited about GSL than I have been about any upcoming BW events. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
OR im completely wrong and PL actually gets a bigger audience than the indivs | ||
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seRapH
United States9706 Posts
still, FUCK GSL, BROODWAR HWAITING | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 07 2010 07:15 T0fuuu wrote: i love how everyone suddenly starts caring abt proleague now that its threatened. even the players themselves admit they care more and practice harder for the indiv leagues. the only ppl that do care are managers cos PL is better selling power and the specialists that cant perform well in 2/3 matchups and need to worry more abt their place on the team then some ro16 qualifying hotshot. OR im completely wrong and PL actually gets a bigger audience than the indivs I don't know who this everyone is that you're talking about, but a lot of people (myself included) have loved watching proleague for years now. Individual leagues are also great, but feature a very small % of top progamers. Proleague lets you see so many more progamers, and actually get attached to the teams. And I can't for the life of me enjoy GSL, I tried. Tuned in, but kept turning off my stream after a few minutes, its just so bloody boring. Playing sc2 is one thing, but I can't get excited seeing "omg, this one player built up a ball of units" "oh wow, the other player built a bigger ball of units" "the one ball's composition hard counters the others! gg". -_- | ||
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On September 07 2010 04:13 raga4ka wrote: GOMTV and Blizzard can go fuck them themselves for all i care , proleague has been here for 7 years and i don't see why it should change just because Starcraft 2 has been released . Because GOMTV has the rights and Kespa doesn't. It's as simple as that. Kespa had first chance to negotiate and they fucked it up. It doesn't matter if Kespa thinks it's "unreasonable". They had no intention of developing SC2 as an esport or expanding to foreign markets like GOM is doing. The original GomTV tournaments were fantastic, let's not forget that. We had English starcraft commentary streamed to our homes perfectly every Sunday. And what happened? Kespa used its muscle to break the tournament apart. That was incredibly unreasonable. Now the ball is in the other court and Kespa are acting like little pussies. Karma's a bitch. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On September 07 2010 07:15 T0fuuu wrote: i love how everyone suddenly starts caring abt proleague now that its threatened. even the players themselves admit they care more and practice harder for the indiv leagues. the only ppl that do care are managers cos PL is better selling power and the specialists that cant perform well in 2/3 matchups and need to worry more abt their place on the team then some ro16 qualifying hotshot. OR im completely wrong and PL actually gets a bigger audience than the indivs Wait, what? PL might get a smaller audience on a day-to-day basis given that it's 5 days a week unlike the individuals, but there's little doubt that modern PL is the backbone of the current BW pro scene. Also, the majority of times players claim that they care more about PL than individuals. I'd say the ratio is something like 4 times out of 5 if not even better - you'll almost never hear someone say "I care more about individuals than PL". I don't always believe the players but I think a lot of them really do consider PL to be the most important thing. Lastly the big point you seem to be missing is that regardless of whether or not individuals are "bigger" or "more important" than PL, the proscene in its current form CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT PROLEAGUE. You think there's going to be 12 teams with 10+ players each if all that exists is a 36 person OSL? PL is the reason why players are able to join teams, develop their skills, and eventually make it big. It often takes guys a year or more to build up the skills to compete in the individual leagues (look at Effort, who even lost a game to Tossgirl in GOM once). The whole point is that BW has finally reached a point where it's not just this mercenary prize chasing shitshow that other games are (including SC2 right now), and the existence of Proleague is THE reason for that. | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On September 07 2010 07:15 T0fuuu wrote: i love how everyone suddenly starts caring abt proleague now that its threatened. even the players themselves admit they care more and practice harder for the indiv leagues. the only ppl that do care are managers cos PL is better selling power and the specialists that cant perform well in 2/3 matchups and need to worry more abt their place on the team then some ro16 qualifying hotshot. OR im completely wrong and PL actually gets a bigger audience than the indivs Of course there are a lot of audience. The reason foreigners don't watch them is because there are no English commentary. For me, I watched at least 80% of Proleague matches with Chinese commentary in this 09/10 season. That's over 50% of all Proleague matches, because they always schedule two matches simultaneously on OGN and MBC. Chinese commentators can only comment on one set of matches. And I love Proleague more than OSL or MSL. I like to see new players developing | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On September 07 2010 07:22 Klive5ive wrote: The original GomTV tournaments were fantastic, let's not forget that. We had English starcraft commentary streamed to our homes perfectly every Sunday. And what happened? Kespa used its muscle to break the tournament apart. That was incredibly unreasonable. Now the ball is in the other court and Kespa are acting like little pussies. Karma's a bitch. No, the original GOMTV tournaments were fantastic for foreigners given that they had English commentary. Unfortunately we're the minority and they really weren't that good of tournaments from a Korean standpoint, which is the one that really matters. Second of all, Kespa is acting like pussies? Have you even read the thread? Bliz/Gretech potentially want to kill PL and the proteams so that GSL can run uncontested. Karma's a bitch so pro BW should just die? What? | ||
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Noxide
United States2870 Posts
On September 07 2010 07:15 T0fuuu wrote: i love how everyone suddenly starts caring abt proleague now that its threatened. even the players themselves admit they care more and practice harder for the indiv leagues. the only ppl that do care are managers cos PL is better selling power and the specialists that cant perform well in 2/3 matchups and need to worry more abt their place on the team then some ro16 qualifying hotshot. OR im completely wrong and PL actually gets a bigger audience than the indivs Players have always put PL first. Many players have said in interviews that if PL and Individual conflict, they will usually practice mostly for PL. I remember Effort remarking that Iris mostly practiced for GOM back when they played in the semis season 3 and not PL and he was a bit upset about it haha. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
On September 07 2010 07:15 T0fuuu wrote: i love how everyone suddenly starts caring abt proleague now that its threatened. even the players themselves admit they care more and practice harder for the indiv leagues. the only ppl that do care are managers cos PL is better selling power and the specialists that cant perform well in 2/3 matchups and need to worry more abt their place on the team then some ro16 qualifying hotshot. OR im completely wrong and PL actually gets a bigger audience than the indivs what? Correct me if Im wrong but the top priority of the players has and will always be the PL. | ||
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