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On September 06 2010 22:47 mmdmmd wrote:
Hey guys,
Just a head's up, there is a huge article(in Chinese) in wfbrood regarding the latest development in Blizz/GomTV vs Kespa. And it's not going very well at all!
Perhaps someone could do a translation.
Highlights:
赵启形(dunno in English)from SKT1 said: Everyone in Korea Esport should team up and strike back against Blizz/GomTV.
SKT1，KT，Woojin Stars: We tried our hardest to negotiate with GomTV, but since they denied PL, won't recognise PL, and won't recognise the teams' opinion on the matter, we were force to make this decision.
(This part might be good news)
All 12 teams will not participate in GSL, unless their requests were met.
GomTV: So that GSL can operate smoothly, PL must change it's schedule.
Kespa: PL is the biggest and oldest competition in Korea Esport, you are denying PL a chance.
GomTV: You can say that.
That's nothing new :|
Pretty much Gretech is demanding primetime slots and saying it should have priority over PL.
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On September 06 2010 23:52 Milkis wrote:
That's nothing new :|
Pretty much Gretech is demanding primetime slots and saying it should have priority over PL.
Thanks, please keep us updated with news about this issue.
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They can't stop them from trying SC2, they are however forced to stop them from playing SC2 publicly in Korea because Gretech holds the rights to it.
Can gretech sue another tournament if they get re-streamed to Korea, since gretech has exclusive broadcasting rights in Korea???
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Part 1:
解散职业星际战队，解散星际1的SPL，就是暴雪和GOM TV真正目的。。。（zz）
Disbanding the proteams and stopping Prolegaue is Blizzard and GOMTV's real purpose...
[爆料] GomTV与KeSPA谈判无疾而终 赞助商介入
GomTV and Kespa negotiations end without resolving the problem; sponsors intervenes
GomTv和KeSpa的第四次协商仅仅在双方提出自己意见之后就宣布结束。 GomTv和KeSpa在上周四开始了关于产权以及有关各联赛的协商，但是依旧没能达成协议。
GomTV and Kespa ended their 4th negotiation session by merely stating their respective individual positions. The negotiations started last Thursday regarding intellectual property and the right to host tournaments, but ended without reaching any consensus.
在第三次协商结束时双方约定对于版权的具体补偿在第四次协商中讨论，但是GomTv方面提出了关于GSL举办的一些要求，让协商陷入了困局。GomTv 表示：对于我们举办的GSL来说，现在的SPL是最大的障碍，必须要根据GSL赛程调整SPL赛程协商才能继续。
At the end of the third negotiation session, the two sides agreed to talk about the details of intellectual property royalties at the 4th session. However, during the 4th session, GomTV demanded additional conditions with regards to the GSL that put the negotiations into a quagmire. GomTV says: as far as we're concerned, Proleague is the biggest barrier that might prevent GSL from becoming successful, and therefore Proleague must be 'adjusted' to ensure GSL's success.
对此KeSpa方面表示：我们在GomTv提出的意见中听出了他们仅仅因为SPL对自己没有利益，因此想取消此项已经经过7年发展的比赛。而GomTv方面则回答：我们就是那样的，就此协商再次决裂。
KeSPA says: the way we see it, GomTV selfishly wants to cancel a 7-year tournament (SPL) merely because they think there's nothing in it for them. GomTV replies: that's exactly how we think. Thus the negotiationended.
参与本次协商的SKT1吴景石局长表示：GomTv虽然拥有包括星际争霸2在内的暴雪所有游戏的版权，但是他们不能无视这么多年来发展韩国电竞的历史。我们将与各战战队讨论之后协商出具体方案。
SKT1 official Oh Yeong Dol [best effort], who participated in the negotiations, said afterwards that: even if GomTV managed to acquire a license for all of Blizzard's IP, they can't ignore so many years of Korean broadcast television history. We will consult with all the other proteams and develop a common plan of action.
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Well its not like we do not know already, but it was all just personal conjectures before, Blizz defender could say it was 1-sided bias statements from Kespa before.
But now they have come out n openly say it that they dont want Proleague. Im eager and curious to see what the teams and Kespa will do in response to their (GOM's) action this time.. Rooting for them as well..
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Part 2:
暴雪对各战队提出了什么样的意见？
Q: What conditions did Blizzard ask of the proteams?
GomTV在第四次协商中提出的意见可以说是说不需要职业战队。在8月26日进行的与KeSpa协商团进行的关于各联赛举办权以及知识产权问题的协商中GomTV表示GSL举办过程中SPL是最大的绊脚石，没必要以战队为主体进行一个联赛。
GomTV's position in the 4th negotiations was pretty much "the proteams are not neccessary." During the negotiations, GomTV stated that SPL is the biggest barrier to the success of the GSL, and they don't want any sort of team-based tournaments.
协商团则表示：将电竞发展到现在的高度的过程中，各大企业领衔的职业战队有莫大的贡献，SPL就是其中之一。GomTV这种意见是在全盘否定现在的韩国电竞，也是代表他们不想再与战队协商。事实上可以说这次协商决裂是GomTV方面选择的。
[Proteams] negotiators say: broadcast competitions, such as the Prologue, has developed to such a high level due to the contributions of all the major company-sponsored proteams. GomTV's stance completely ignores the reality of Korean broadcast television and basically means that they refused to negotiate with proteams. The unsuccessful conclusion of this negotiation session is solely due to the choices of GomTV.
暴雪韩国代理方的GomTV在之前就已经对MBCgame等各游戏电视台提出了无理的金额，表示过对协商毫无兴趣的意愿。而在KeSpa的协商中，他们 也要求KeSpa方面更换协商团主体，因此本次协商团是以各战队局长为主，但是GomTV只是提出了只利于自己的条件，再次表明自己没有协商意愿。
GomTV, as Blizzard's representative in Korea, has previously demanded outrageous payments from TV stations like MBCgame, showing that they have no interest in negotiations in general. [But GomTV's behavior in session was especially contemptible]; in this negotiations, they suddenly wanted to change the topic [original says "main body," might be a typo for "topic"] of the discussions. The discussions included all of the proteam officials, but GomTV only wanted conditions that benefitted themselves, showing that they once again has no real desire for negotiations.
这种情况与暴雪当初和KeSpa进行协商时差不多。暴雪对KeSpa要求知识产权，并提出了不能接受的条件。KeSpa拉到赞助之后必须经过暴雪同意才 行，并要将赞助金额的一部分给暴雪。而且对各大电视台也提出了相同的要求，也没有尊重各大战队选手肖像权以及姓名权，强制要求暴雪举办的比赛或活动中这些 选手必须无条件参与。
This sort of treatment [from GomTV to KeSPA] is pretty much what Blizzard did to KeSPA at the very beginning. Blizzard wanted KeSPA to recognize Blizzard's IP and demanded unacceptable terms. Blizzard wanted to approve all proteam sponsorship agreements and wanted a cut of the sponsorship payments. Blizzard also made similar demands of the TV stations [with regards to revenue]. Furthermore, Blizzard completely disrespected the work proteams have done to promote their top players, and demanded that top players must attend Blizzard tournaments or events without condition.
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Wow so GomTV actually came out and said they want proleague cancelled...wow.
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On September 07 2010 02:58 mierin wrote:
Wow so GomTV actually came out and said they want proleague cancelled...wow.
With Great Power Comes Great Insanity.
Now it's not a matter of good/bad. It's which devil we should accept. Evil-Kespa or Evil-GomTv/Gretech/Blizz.
Edit: Thanks for the translation Sincx!!
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What source did that cite for that piece? That just reads like a more exaggerated/speculated versions of things I've been reading
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Part 3:
在暴雪提出如此苛刻条件的情况下，KeSpa依旧努力着找平衡点。但是在这次第四次协商中因为GomTV全盘否定战队的存在意义，导致了双方矛盾越来越大，因此此次争论还将更久。
Even despite Blizzard's harsh demands, KeSPA still worked to find common ground. But at this 4th negation session, where GomTV called into question the reason for the existence of the proteams, the rift between the parties has grown even wider. This disagreement may last even longer.
SKT1，KT等战队携手赞助商寻找对策
SKT1, KT, and other proteams unite with sponsors to develop response
SKT1，KT，STX和熊津等战队赞助商决定结成“反暴雪阵营”。在8月26日协商中，GomTV提出了战队联赛对自己举办的GSL毫无利益，因此不能承认SPL的意见。
这次协商是由SKT1，KT和熊津成为战队代表与GomTV协商，而协商团也表示尊重知识产权，并会努力找到平衡点。但是GomTV方面则全盘否定了职 业战队存在意义，提出了无理要求，最终不欢而散。因此协商团代表将结果报给了各个战队，而各大战队也决定团结一致，抵制GomTV的意见。
SKT1, KT, STX, Woojin, and other proteams sponsors have formed an "Anti-Blizzard Alliance" [or Horde, haha]. During the August 26 negotiations, GomTV refuses to even acknowledge proteams and the SPL despite diligent effort of the proteams to find a resolution. Due to GomTV's unacceptable demands, the negotiations broke down, and each proteam representative relayed the results back to the teams. The teams, after receiving the report, have decided to unite as one to fight GomTV.
参加本次协商团的企业，都决定在SPL获得举办权之前不会参加星际2各种比赛。旗下选手也不会参赛，而对于现在正在进行的MSL，OSL和SPL都决定 强制进行。GSL在OGN的直播也因此被阻止。虽然OGN已经和GomTV达成了协议，但是在GomTV不准举办韩国电竞最具代表性的战队联赛，并无视战 队的情况下，作为KeSpa会员的OGN必须要与KeSpa同步。而作为KeSpa会长的SKT1赵启形在听到这种结果之后表示：所有韩国电竞圈必须要团 结一致，进行强有力的一击。
All proteams participating in the negotiations have decided to boycott any sort of Starcraft 2 activity until the situation is resolved. In addition, the current tournaments of MSL, OSL, and Prologue will forcefully continue [note: it's not clear if "current" refers to only this season or the tournaments in general]. In addition, OGN will not broadcast GSL. Even though OGN and GomTV already have a contract, if GomTV does not allow proteams, Korea broadcast eSport's defining feature, to continue, then OGN as a KeSPA member must stay in line with KeSPA. KeSPA's head official, SKT1's Cho Gye Hyeong [best effort] said, after hearing the decisions of the teams: all Korea broadcast eSport organizations must remain united and attack GomTV/Blizzard forcefully.
[End]
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On September 07 2010 03:05 Milkis wrote:
What source did that cite for that piece? That just reads like a more exaggerated/speculated versions of things I've been reading
No cites on the original. I do not vouch for the accuracy of the source material.
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On September 07 2010 03:05 Milkis wrote:
What source did that cite for that piece? That just reads like a more exaggerated/speculated versions of things I've been reading
I think so too. I read this news before, just feel like news combined with gossip.
This kind of news should not come from Chinese Media, especially on internet.
It should only come from Korean media.
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On September 07 2010 03:09 hydraden wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 03:05 Milkis wrote:
What source did that cite for that piece? That just reads like a more exaggerated/speculated versions of things I've been reading I think so too. I read this news before, just feel like news combined with gossip. This kind of news should not come from Chinese Media, especially on internet. It should only come from Korean media.
Basically it's some combination of all the material out there, interpreted in a specific way and exaggerated quite a bit I think.
The last part is from DES, but DES shouldn't be taken that seriously when it comes to issues like this. It's mostly talk until something happens :|
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If this is true... wow, it's not anything unexpected, but it sure does confirm the worst.
I seriously hope GOM crashes and burns.
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Hmm.. if all the pros (and their teams) call out to their fans to boycott SC2, plus the bad publicity from all these stuffs.. Any wanna can throw a guess as to how much it ll affect Blizzard's SC2 sale in Korea, and maybe GSL specifically?
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You know, I think Blizzard is using Gretech as a PR 'buffer zone' in this. It really looks like it.
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GOMTV and Blizzard can go fuck them themselves for all i care , proleague has been here for 7 years and i don't see why it should change just because Starcraft 2 has been released . GSL is a good league and all , but except for the money thrown in it is not as proffesional even to the level of MSL. And they want to destroy the most professional e - sports league ever made - the Proleague Not to mention that with Korean Air OSL the BW sceen has hit new heights .
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the way i read it, blizzard wants to destroy everything the korean scene build up?
proteams?
payment?
proleague?
all gone!
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GOM wants proteams gone? Now I'm convinced they are just stupid
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