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On September 04 2010 04:18 FishForThought wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:06 hitthat wrote:On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:
Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.
WAIT, WHAT??? Do we speak about the same Activision Blizzard? Wake up! Besides, if Blizz doesnt want some piece of the pie, than why they even intervened in first place? Do you really are such naive, that you dont see they just dont tolerate home war between SC:BW and SC2 legues? They really want SC1 to die, becouse its, ironically, game that slows down SC2 reign in Korea. Don't you see that's not about KESPA, but all about Proleague? Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such. T.T You guys are making me sad, this is pretty simple. You want to make a e-sport/pro-gaming scene for your game, but you don't want to spend money or over-extend yourself so what do you? Go out, make a contract with the people who already made a pro-gaming scene with your game, and direct them to go towards your goal. You don't even need to take money from them, because they are basically accomplishing your goals for you. In fact, the people making the pro-gaming scene for you games can demand things like "I want a lan version of your game", "I want you to pay for the tournaments that we are going to host"... etc
You sir are extremely lacking in intelligence. Blizzard not wanting money has to be the joke of the year............troll
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On September 04 2010 12:15 moopie wrote:
Actually while a lawsuit is going on they could continue operating since there is no official word for them to stop. The real problem is that sponsors might not want to spend so much money on something with an uncertain future which could go away tomorrow, or a league with the stigma of being 'shady' or 'illegal'.
Well it would be the same for the sponsors if KeSPA sold themselves to Blizzard/Gretech, since they wanted to be able to "re-negociate" the contracts each season. Basically be able to terminate BW whenever they felt like it.
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On September 04 2010 11:04 gyth wrote:
Someone invented basketball (his name was James Naismith), how is that not intellectual property?
Inventing something doesn't mean it's intellectual property. Intellectual property deals with trademarks, copyrights, patents, etc. Blizzard has the copyright and has trademarked some characters within Starcraft.
With your example of basketball as a game, the rules, balls and courts used in Naismith's time are all different now with no one governing body NBA, FIBA, EBA, Olympic Committee etc...
This is how basketball isn't an intellectual property.
On another note, why can't they all just hold hands and sing kumbaya already?!
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On September 04 2010 20:13 powar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 11:04 gyth wrote:
Someone invented basketball (his name was James Naismith), how is that not intellectual property? Inventing something doesn't mean it's intellectual property. Intellectual property deals with trademarks, copyrights, patents, etc. Blizzard has the copyright and has trademarked some characters within Starcraft. With your example of basketball as a game, the rules, balls and courts used in Naismith's time are all different now with no one governing body NBA, FIBA, EBA, Olympic Committee etc... This is how basketball isn't an intellectual property. On another note, why can't they all just hold hands and sing kumbaya already?!
Because Activision wants to bully their way to another revenue source. They've been trying to figure out how to make SC2 as obnoxious as WoW ever since they announced the game. Bnet 2.0, microtransactions, suing KESPA, 2 full priced expansions, it all adds up to a fanbase that is tired of its antics.
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On September 04 2010 08:11 FishForThought wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 05:01 MamiyaOtaru wrote:On September 04 2010 04:18 FishForThought wrote:On September 04 2010 04:06 hitthat wrote:On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:
Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.
WAIT, WHAT??? Do we speak about the same Activision Blizzard? Wake up! Besides, if Blizz doesnt want some piece of the pie, than why they even intervened in first place? Do you really are such naive, that you dont see they just dont tolerate home war between SC:BW and SC2 legues? They really want SC1 to die, becouse its, ironically, game that slows down SC2 reign in Korea. Don't you see that's not about KESPA, but all about Proleague? Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such. This really is the dumbest. Since Broodwar and balance patches. Try playing sc v 1.0 without broodwar or patches and see how balanced things are. All credit to them for that of course. But keep in mind the last balance patch was released 9 years ago. All balance changes since then have come from players and mapmakers (which conveniently is hindered in SC2 since they control what maps are to be played) If money is their priority, then they would of accepted Kespa's original offer of giving them just money. Instead, they opted for control and moderation such as Kespa needs permission from blizzard to host certain tournaments which Kespa does not like and rejects. control leads to money. You are delusional if you don't think that's the end goal. REGARDLESS them wanting to assert control over something they did not help in building up is also not super noble seeming to me. They made the game which is awesome, but the whole structure of professional BW e-sports was built up with a lot of sacrifice from people who are not Blizzard. I don't really care what their motivation is, they are moving to tear that structure down. I think their end-goal is have a global awareness of e-sport with their game, thus they want GOMTV to continue with English Commentators, amateur leagues, leagues that doesn't require a pro-gaming license to participate. I also think blizzard is willing to sacrifice royalties and a significant amount of money to create partners like Gretech to achieve this. But hey I might be wrong, but it sounds more plausible than one you paint them: where Blizzard investors/employees sits on top of a pile of cash lighting their cigars with 100 dollar bills. I'll use the pie analogy again. Kespa bakes pie, they use Blizzard's pan to bake them. Blizzard wants to have some say in what kind of pie they bake with their pan, Kespa says no.. so blizzard gave the pan to Gretech. I won't add in the fact that Kespa was using the pan without consent since blizzard isn't suing them for that but It all comes down to: Does blizzard have the right to approve what pie Kespa bake with their pan and was Kespa being too stupid/stubborn to accept Blizzard's offer. I vote the latter. Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 06:12 zenMaster wrote:
FishForThought is either a troll or a Blizzard employee. Ironically, this is coming from someone who just posted a one liner that has no relevance to this topic.
It stands to little surprise that your account is not only recent but largely vested in this topic making me suspect that I was correct and you ARE likely a Blizzard plant. That or just REALLY REALLY living in a fantasy world.
Your claim that they just desire the growth of e-sports is interesting considering they ARE TRYING TO KILL IT BY THIS VERY ACT. Especially the part where you claim they don't care about royalties since that seems to me what has been largely their ongoing issue! As for leagues that don't require pro-league license to operate. YEAH THAT SURE WORKS OUT for the credibility of your players. It really means a lot that you beat Joe Schmoe #2349273423. So NO, your idea is NOT more plausible. It hasn't been plausible the moment you suggested Blizzard doesn't care about making more money.
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On September 05 2010 12:06 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 08:11 FishForThought wrote:On September 04 2010 05:01 MamiyaOtaru wrote:On September 04 2010 04:18 FishForThought wrote:On September 04 2010 04:06 hitthat wrote:On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:
Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.
WAIT, WHAT??? Do we speak about the same Activision Blizzard? Wake up! Besides, if Blizz doesnt want some piece of the pie, than why they even intervened in first place? Do you really are such naive, that you dont see they just dont tolerate home war between SC:BW and SC2 legues? They really want SC1 to die, becouse its, ironically, game that slows down SC2 reign in Korea. Don't you see that's not about KESPA, but all about Proleague? Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such. This really is the dumbest. Since Broodwar and balance patches. Try playing sc v 1.0 without broodwar or patches and see how balanced things are. All credit to them for that of course. But keep in mind the last balance patch was released 9 years ago. All balance changes since then have come from players and mapmakers (which conveniently is hindered in SC2 since they control what maps are to be played) If money is their priority, then they would of accepted Kespa's original offer of giving them just money. Instead, they opted for control and moderation such as Kespa needs permission from blizzard to host certain tournaments which Kespa does not like and rejects. control leads to money. You are delusional if you don't think that's the end goal. REGARDLESS them wanting to assert control over something they did not help in building up is also not super noble seeming to me. They made the game which is awesome, but the whole structure of professional BW e-sports was built up with a lot of sacrifice from people who are not Blizzard. I don't really care what their motivation is, they are moving to tear that structure down. I think their end-goal is have a global awareness of e-sport with their game, thus they want GOMTV to continue with English Commentators, amateur leagues, leagues that doesn't require a pro-gaming license to participate. I also think blizzard is willing to sacrifice royalties and a significant amount of money to create partners like Gretech to achieve this. But hey I might be wrong, but it sounds more plausible than one you paint them: where Blizzard investors/employees sits on top of a pile of cash lighting their cigars with 100 dollar bills. I'll use the pie analogy again. Kespa bakes pie, they use Blizzard's pan to bake them. Blizzard wants to have some say in what kind of pie they bake with their pan, Kespa says no.. so blizzard gave the pan to Gretech. I won't add in the fact that Kespa was using the pan without consent since blizzard isn't suing them for that but It all comes down to: Does blizzard have the right to approve what pie Kespa bake with their pan and was Kespa being too stupid/stubborn to accept Blizzard's offer. I vote the latter. On September 04 2010 06:12 zenMaster wrote:
FishForThought is either a troll or a Blizzard employee. Ironically, this is coming from someone who just posted a one liner that has no relevance to this topic. It stands to little surprise that your account is not only recent but largely vested in this topic making me suspect that I was correct and you ARE likely a Blizzard plant. That or just REALLY REALLY living in a fantasy world. Your claim that they just desire the growth of e-sports is interesting considering they ARE TRYING TO KILL IT BY THIS VERY ACT. Especially the part where you claim they don't care about royalties since that seems to me what has been largely their ongoing issue! As for leagues that don't require pro-league license to operate. YEAH THAT SURE WORKS OUT for the credibility of your players. It really means a lot that you beat Joe Schmoe #2349273423. So NO, your idea is NOT more plausible. It hasn't been plausible the moment you suggested Blizzard doesn't care about making more money.
I find it funny that you gave no evidence or insight to why my claims are wrong. All you are doing is screaming "YOU ARE WRONG, I AM RIGHT!". What evidence do you have that esport won't survive without kespa? What claims do you have that they solely want more money considering that Kespa OFFERED TO PAY ROYALTIES to Blizzard which Blizzard reject because they prioritize CONTROL over cash.
Blizzard's negotiation failed with Kespa and they gave the contract to GOMTV.. and according to you this very act is "TRYING TO KILL ESPORT [it]"?. Blizzard is not even suing Kespa for exploiting their IP for the last 12 years, if someone is going to sue its going to be Gretech vs Kespa not Blizzard.
As for other comments.. do you need a FiFA license to play in the FIFA? Do you need a Tennis license to play Tennis in the French Open? Don't be stupid, pro-gaming license is only there to alienate people from participating in tournaments. If PL didn't have this pro-gaming license, more people would get the chance to compete. Its not about beating "Joe Schmoe#2349273423", its about whether giving "Joe Schmoe#2349273423" a chance to compete. I dunno about you, but I am getting tired of watching the same people play over and over again. How many times do we need to watch Flash vs Jaedong?
If BW is truly the e-sport game, then it doesn't matter if Kespa is there or not, people will still play it. Just like if there are no Tennis, or golf tournaments, people will still play Tennis and golf.
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On September 05 2010 16:02 FishForThought wrote:
Blizzard's negotiation failed with Kespa and they gave the contract to GOMTV.. and according to you this very act is "TRYING TO KILL ESPORT [it]"?. Blizzard is not even suing Kespa for exploiting their IP for the last 12 years, if someone is going to sue its going to be Gretech vs Kespa not Blizzard.
If it goes to court, Gretech will just be doing Blizzard's dirty work.
On September 05 2010 16:02 FishForThought wrote:
As for other comments.. do you need a FiFA license to play in the FIFA? Do you need a Tennis license to play Tennis in the French Open? Don't be stupid, pro-gaming license is only there to alienate people from participating in tournaments. If PL didn't have this pro-gaming license, more people would get the chance to compete. Its not about beating "Joe Schmoe#2349273423", its about whether giving "Joe Schmoe#2349273423" a chance to compete. I dunno about you, but I am getting tired of watching the same people play over and over again. How many times do we need to watch Flash vs Jaedong?
The pro-gaming license was created to give progamers an important tax break on their tournament winnings, not to "alienate people." It was an important step in truly professionalizing the game, something that giving more people the chance to compete won't do, especially if the team structure is dissolved. Also, football and tennis are established sports while esports is not. It's rarely seen as a legitimate activity, and an officially recognized progaming license is one of the things that helps to overcome that view.
And who cares about Joe Schmoe? People complaining about Flash vs Jaedong have no interest in him, they simply want other top progamers in the finals -- certainly not some random gamer.
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On September 05 2010 16:02 FishForThought wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 12:06 KissBlade wrote:On September 04 2010 08:11 FishForThought wrote:On September 04 2010 05:01 MamiyaOtaru wrote:On September 04 2010 04:18 FishForThought wrote:On September 04 2010 04:06 hitthat wrote:On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:
Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.
WAIT, WHAT??? Do we speak about the same Activision Blizzard? Wake up! Besides, if Blizz doesnt want some piece of the pie, than why they even intervened in first place? Do you really are such naive, that you dont see they just dont tolerate home war between SC:BW and SC2 legues? They really want SC1 to die, becouse its, ironically, game that slows down SC2 reign in Korea. Don't you see that's not about KESPA, but all about Proleague? Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such. This really is the dumbest. Since Broodwar and balance patches. Try playing sc v 1.0 without broodwar or patches and see how balanced things are. All credit to them for that of course. But keep in mind the last balance patch was released 9 years ago. All balance changes since then have come from players and mapmakers (which conveniently is hindered in SC2 since they control what maps are to be played) If money is their priority, then they would of accepted Kespa's original offer of giving them just money. Instead, they opted for control and moderation such as Kespa needs permission from blizzard to host certain tournaments which Kespa does not like and rejects. control leads to money. You are delusional if you don't think that's the end goal. REGARDLESS them wanting to assert control over something they did not help in building up is also not super noble seeming to me. They made the game which is awesome, but the whole structure of professional BW e-sports was built up with a lot of sacrifice from people who are not Blizzard. I don't really care what their motivation is, they are moving to tear that structure down. I think their end-goal is have a global awareness of e-sport with their game, thus they want GOMTV to continue with English Commentators, amateur leagues, leagues that doesn't require a pro-gaming license to participate. I also think blizzard is willing to sacrifice royalties and a significant amount of money to create partners like Gretech to achieve this. But hey I might be wrong, but it sounds more plausible than one you paint them: where Blizzard investors/employees sits on top of a pile of cash lighting their cigars with 100 dollar bills. I'll use the pie analogy again. Kespa bakes pie, they use Blizzard's pan to bake them. Blizzard wants to have some say in what kind of pie they bake with their pan, Kespa says no.. so blizzard gave the pan to Gretech. I won't add in the fact that Kespa was using the pan without consent since blizzard isn't suing them for that but It all comes down to: Does blizzard have the right to approve what pie Kespa bake with their pan and was Kespa being too stupid/stubborn to accept Blizzard's offer. I vote the latter. On September 04 2010 06:12 zenMaster wrote:
FishForThought is either a troll or a Blizzard employee. Ironically, this is coming from someone who just posted a one liner that has no relevance to this topic. It stands to little surprise that your account is not only recent but largely vested in this topic making me suspect that I was correct and you ARE likely a Blizzard plant. That or just REALLY REALLY living in a fantasy world. Your claim that they just desire the growth of e-sports is interesting considering they ARE TRYING TO KILL IT BY THIS VERY ACT. Especially the part where you claim they don't care about royalties since that seems to me what has been largely their ongoing issue! As for leagues that don't require pro-league license to operate. YEAH THAT SURE WORKS OUT for the credibility of your players. It really means a lot that you beat Joe Schmoe #2349273423. So NO, your idea is NOT more plausible. It hasn't been plausible the moment you suggested Blizzard doesn't care about making more money. I find it funny that you gave no evidence or insight to why my claims are wrong. All you are doing is screaming "YOU ARE WRONG, I AM RIGHT!". What evidence do you have that esport won't survive without kespa? What claims do you have that they solely want more money considering that Kespa OFFERED TO PAY ROYALTIES to Blizzard which Blizzard reject because they prioritize CONTROL over cash. Blizzard's negotiation failed with Kespa and they gave the contract to GOMTV.. and according to you this very act is "TRYING TO KILL ESPORT [it]"?. Blizzard is not even suing Kespa for exploiting their IP for the last 12 years, if someone is going to sue its going to be Gretech vs Kespa not Blizzard. As for other comments.. do you need a FiFA license to play in the FIFA? Do you need a Tennis license to play Tennis in the French Open? Don't be stupid, pro-gaming license is only there to alienate people from participating in tournaments. If PL didn't have this pro-gaming license, more people would get the chance to compete. Its not about beating "Joe Schmoe#2349273423", its about whether giving "Joe Schmoe#2349273423" a chance to compete. I dunno about you, but I am getting tired of watching the same people play over and over again. How many times do we need to watch Flash vs Jaedong? If BW is truly the e-sport game, then it doesn't matter if Kespa is there or not, people will still play it. Just like if there are no Tennis, or golf tournaments, people will still play Tennis and golf.
You actually made a few decent points there, but Flash vs Jaedong is the best vs the best, if you were really into broodwar you'd know that. Golf and Tennis have been exactly the same for long periods, with people like Woods and Federer.
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I'm Joe Schmoe#2349273423 and i suck balls. Even i don't even want to watch my own games.
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Let Joe Schmoe enter courage and get his face stomped, there's much more stopping him from participating than a license, its a big separator called skill. Frankly, I don't want to watch D, C, or any other low level game in my esports tournament. I want the S-Class Flash vs Jaedong.
It really bothers me that TL has become a place where so many people disrespect their roots. I mean honestly, how can this website actually have debates when someone, no matter who, threatens to destroy our beloved BW?
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If it goes to court, Gretech will just be doing Blizzard's dirty work.
Have you thought for a second that if it goes to court it is because Gretech wants to fight for their own interest? Blizzard is not behind every unsolved crime in the world and blaming them for giving Gretech the contract after Kespa refused it isn't going to reverse time and give Kespa a second chance to accept the offer.
The pro-gaming license was created to give progamers an important tax break on their tournament winnings, not to "alienate people." It was an important step in truly professionalizing the game, something that giving more people the chance to compete won't do, especially if the team structure is dissolved. Also, football and tennis are established sports while esports is not. It's rarely seen as a legitimate activity, and an officially recognized progaming license is one of the things that helps to overcome that view.
So GomTV winnings have a higher tax rate than PL winnings? You'll have to give me a source to that. The license didn't really do anything to professionalize the game, if you earn your pro-gamer license you still pretty much can't participate in the leagues without a team sponsor and if you do get sponsor, you get your license for free. Basically, the whole professional scene is based on whether you are lucky enough to get scouted by the kespa teams.
You claim that BW is an esport thus, it should be treated like any other sport (free use and such) yet you admit that esport is not an "established sport" (so you need to keep pampering it). You need to make up your mind, if it is a sport, then regardless of Kespa's presence it will persist, if it is not a real sport then you have to accept that it is in blizzard's right to regulate it.
And who cares about Joe Schmoe? People complaining about Flash vs Jaedong have no interest in him, they simply want other top progamers in the finals -- certainly not some random gamer.
Joe Schmoe are the people on these forums that read strategies, practice every day, play in whatever tournament they can to improve themselves, only to find that they can never compete professionally or reach professional status, because the door to pro-gaming is only open to a select few that happens to be born in the right country and be at the right place at the right time.
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Actually football players DO need a license...
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wtf? If you win courage you get a license. Hell sc is actually easier to enter pro if you have the skill compared to lot of sports.
They can't reach pro status cause they suck most likely. The only thing that really makes it difficult is it's only in korea.
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On September 05 2010 18:26 FishForThought wrote:
Joe Schmoe are the people on these forums that read strategies, practice every day, play in whatever tournament they can to improve themselves, only to find that they can never compete professionally or reach professional status, because the door to pro-gaming is only open to a select few that happens to be born in the right country and be at the right place at the right time.
Wow this is typical BS. If you work hard and play by the rules, you can achieve many things. Joe Schmoe was probably the guy that was out partying late at night and selling drugs while everyone else was working hard playing Starcraft. Joe Schmoe cared more about buying the latest styles than about Starcraft. So Joe Schmoe will continue to suck at Starcraft.
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Geez, nothing in this post makes any sense.
The only 16 posts you have on TL are all about kespa vs gretech thing.
I have strong faith that you are a blizzard or gretech guy.
On September 05 2010 18:26 FishForThought wrote:Have you thought for a second that if it goes to court it is because Gretech wants to fight for their own interest? Blizzard is not behind every unsolved crime in the world and blaming them for giving Gretech the contract after Kespa refused it isn't going to reverse time and give Kespa a second chance to accept the offer. Show nested quote +
The pro-gaming license was created to give progamers an important tax break on their tournament winnings, not to "alienate people." It was an important step in truly professionalizing the game, something that giving more people the chance to compete won't do, especially if the team structure is dissolved. Also, football and tennis are established sports while esports is not. It's rarely seen as a legitimate activity, and an officially recognized progaming license is one of the things that helps to overcome that view.
So GomTV winnings have a higher tax rate than PL winnings? You'll have to give me a source to that. The license didn't really do anything to professionalize the game, if you earn your pro-gamer license you still pretty much can't participate in the leagues without a team sponsor and if you do get sponsor, you get your license for free. Basically, the whole professional scene is based on whether you are lucky enough to get scouted by the kespa teams. You claim that BW is an esport thus, it should be treated like any other sport (free use and such) yet you admit that esport is not an "established sport" (so you need to keep pampering it). You need to make up your mind, if it is a sport, then regardless of Kespa's presence it will persist, if it is not a real sport then you have to accept that it is in blizzard's right to regulate it. Show nested quote +
And who cares about Joe Schmoe? People complaining about Flash vs Jaedong have no interest in him, they simply want other top progamers in the finals -- certainly not some random gamer.
Joe Schmoe are the people on these forums that read strategies, practice every day, play in whatever tournament they can to improve themselves, only to find that they can never compete professionally or reach professional status, because the door to pro-gaming is only open to a select few that happens to be born in the right country and be at the right place at the right time.
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its hilarious how many people think this idiot is a blizzard plant. Like blizz/gretech have nothing better to do with their manpower then to waste it trying to convince netizens that they're really just nice guys
maybe its just a moron that likes fellatin blizz, y'know?
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On August 31 2010 20:07 Nesto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 20:03 aimaimaim wrote:On August 31 2010 20:01 Nesto wrote:
I seem to miss the big problem there.
OGN has a contract right? so there will be another OSL.
MBC can still start a new MSL / Pro-league, without contract as always.
The only thing MBC won't be able to do is showing SC2 games, since that's the only thing, which Blizzard/Gretech can deny them, or am I wrong here? technically no .. they[blizzard] can still deny them because blizzard has already a company[gretech] that can do its "dirty work" in korea. they can go to court if MBC will still broadcast BW hmm, but they broadcasted without contract for almost 10 years, why is that suddenly a problem?
Because Blizzard Entertainment merged with Activison and it turned into Activision Blizzard (where did entertainment go =(?)
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On September 05 2010 19:34 TheAntZ wrote:
its hilarious how many people think this idiot is a blizzard plant. Like blizz/gretech have nothing better to do with their manpower then to waste it trying to convince netizens that they're really just nice guys
maybe its just a moron that likes fellatin blizz, y'know?
Its called viral marketing. They give these people small perks like a collector's edition or free WoW time and these people enter into influential communities to spread enough FUD until people take the FUD for fact.
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On September 05 2010 16:02 FishForThought wrote:
As for other comments.. do you need a FiFA license to play in the FIFA? Do you need a Tennis license to play Tennis in the French Open? Don't be stupid, pro-gaming license is only there to alienate people from participating in tournaments. If PL didn't have this pro-gaming license, more people would get the chance to compete. Its not about beating "Joe Schmoe#2349273423", its about whether giving "Joe Schmoe#2349273423" a chance to compete. I dunno about you, but I am getting tired of watching the same people play over and over again. How many times do we need to watch Flash vs Jaedong?
If BW is truly the e-sport game, then it doesn't matter if Kespa is there or not, people will still play it. Just like if there are no Tennis, or golf tournaments, people will still play Tennis and golf.
I can speak about experience from my home BW community. For years it was quite strong. Enouth strong to get a money needed to send additional player to WCG. Enouth stong to create some good BW players. But not strong enouth to keep those players interested in farther developement. Thats all becouse the system was based on prize hunters and entusiasts, who never had guaranteed a profits from time invested to play. When they had to choose: job or play, school or play, university or play...they almoust always retired. Insured salary is the factor, that can keep those players interested in game/strategy developement, becouse it turns the entertaiment to job. Thats why e-sport needs ProLeague. Thats why we need teams like SKT T1, CJ Entus, Oz or KT. Thats why we need sponsors and organisations like KESPA, even if they are a bunch of idiots.
Just look at BW play of "foreigners" and Koreans. "Foreigners" creativity is decent, but the play is nowere near as dynamic as those from pros.
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