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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
September 03 2010 15:34 GMT
#461
On September 03 2010 09:57 kyrshiro wrote:
It's about time that Blizzard is putting their foot down with the BW scene in Korea.

Blizzard put a-lot of hard work into SC2 and its natural for them to want to see the game progress in the E-Sports scene. People playing BW in tournaments now is like watching people play Halo 1, instead of Halo 3?

Why keep playing the original when the new is out, sure people can keep playing BW without any restriction. But when companies like KeSPA/MBC are benefiting through sponsorship, viewer ship and mass media coverage. Blizzard needs to make sure their company is benefiting best serves themselves and their customers even if many don't agree. I'm sure a majority of users HAVE made the switch from BW to SC2.

I know many don't agree with me, this is just my opinion, I agree with Blizzard for removing BW or taking steps to remove it from the Pro-Gaming scene not only in korea but the rest of the world too.

Times are changing folks.


The hell us wrong with you?

Really who are you tell what other people should play? Want my opinion?

SC2 sucks, I still havent bought it and I have no plans to. In contrast I played about 30 games of BW today. Why? BW IS THE BETTER GAME. I enjoy watching it and playing it. I don't know how putting an AXE to the BW scene is benefiting customers but it isn't.

God your post makes me so angry I can't post coherently. Ahhh....
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
September 03 2010 16:08 GMT
#462
Blizzard put 0 effort into creating e-sports, it's all been the KeSPA (which is made up of all the teams that started this before they formalized KeSPA). By giving GOM the reigns, they've killed Proleague, and without a team league there will be no salaried players. It's just every man for himself in the individual leagues, and only the winners will make any money. You can't have a professional sport if only the top 5 players make enough money to quit their day job.
Rikstah
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia126 Posts
September 03 2010 16:46 GMT
#463
On September 04 2010 01:08 Zzoram wrote:
Blizzard put 0 effort into creating e-sports, it's all been the KeSPA (which is made up of all the teams that started this before they formalized KeSPA). By giving GOM the reigns, they've killed Proleague, and without a team league there will be no salaried players. It's just every man for himself in the individual leagues, and only the winners will make any money. You can't have a professional sport if only the top 5 players make enough money to quit their day job.


Exactly.

Its not the game that is the issue here, obviously the game belongs to blizzard, but how can people justify that blizzard deserves a piece of the pie when they had no part in building it up.

Kespa built it from the ground up, salaried teams and players, operated a proloeague with no support from blizzard. Blizz waits 10 years until its all built up, steps in and tries to wipe them away.

Blizz dont care about e-sports, they just want more money. E-sports is just a way for them to sell more copies.
Thors before Whores man
Zionner
Profile Joined April 2010
Scotland112 Posts
September 03 2010 17:51 GMT
#464
I say we go to blizzard's SC2 forums, and complain about how they are being complete and utterly selfish regarding this, and that they should just stop trying to force people to buy SC2 - by stopping E-Sports, as that will not gain them anything, just peoples hatred
For the Swarm!
FishForThought
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada88 Posts
September 03 2010 17:58 GMT
#465
On September 04 2010 01:46 Rikstah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 01:08 Zzoram wrote:
Blizzard put 0 effort into creating e-sports, it's all been the KeSPA (which is made up of all the teams that started this before they formalized KeSPA). By giving GOM the reigns, they've killed Proleague, and without a team league there will be no salaried players. It's just every man for himself in the individual leagues, and only the winners will make any money. You can't have a professional sport if only the top 5 players make enough money to quit their day job.


Exactly.

Its not the game that is the issue here, obviously the game belongs to blizzard, but how can people justify that blizzard deserves a piece of the pie when they had no part in building it up.

Kespa built it from the ground up, salaried teams and players, operated a proloeague with no support from blizzard. Blizz waits 10 years until its all built up, steps in and tries to wipe them away.

Blizz dont care about e-sports, they just want more money. E-sports is just a way for them to sell more copies.


>.> ...

Blizzard balanced the game, they kept B-net up for how many years? They kept making map of the week to keep people interested. They made a map editor to let people create their own maps and scenarios. Do you think esport would even appear if blizzard didn't do all those?

Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.

If you don't believe blizzard should get any credit for e-sport, then you also believe that Broadway show screenplay writers shouldn't get any credit when someone performs their play. Your reasoning is: "No one is paying Shakespeare, why should anyone give an ass about you?"
Zionner
Profile Joined April 2010
Scotland112 Posts
September 03 2010 18:04 GMT
#466
On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 01:46 Rikstah wrote:
On September 04 2010 01:08 Zzoram wrote:
Blizzard put 0 effort into creating e-sports, it's all been the KeSPA (which is made up of all the teams that started this before they formalized KeSPA). By giving GOM the reigns, they've killed Proleague, and without a team league there will be no salaried players. It's just every man for himself in the individual leagues, and only the winners will make any money. You can't have a professional sport if only the top 5 players make enough money to quit their day job.


Exactly.

Its not the game that is the issue here, obviously the game belongs to blizzard, but how can people justify that blizzard deserves a piece of the pie when they had no part in building it up.

Kespa built it from the ground up, salaried teams and players, operated a proloeague with no support from blizzard. Blizz waits 10 years until its all built up, steps in and tries to wipe them away.

Blizz dont care about e-sports, they just want more money. E-sports is just a way for them to sell more copies.


>.> ...

Blizzard balanced the game, they kept B-net up for how many years? They kept making map of the week to keep people interested. They made a map editor to let people create their own maps and scenarios. Do you think esport would even appear if blizzard didn't do all those?

Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.

If you don't believe blizzard should get any credit for e-sport, then you also believe that Broadway show screenplay writers shouldn't get any credit when someone performs their play. Your reasoning is: "No one is paying Shakespeare, why should anyone give an ass about you?"


Of course Blizzard should get some credit and recognition for E-Sports. But do you think the correct way to do that is to shut down one the most popular E-Sports league in the world? No! That's not going to make them respect Blizzard for what they have done, nor will it make them go and watch any SC2 E-sports. It will just make them pissed off.
For the Swarm!
FishForThought
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada88 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 18:26:01
September 03 2010 18:21 GMT
#467
On September 04 2010 03:04 Zionner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:
On September 04 2010 01:46 Rikstah wrote:
On September 04 2010 01:08 Zzoram wrote:
Blizzard put 0 effort into creating e-sports, it's all been the KeSPA (which is made up of all the teams that started this before they formalized KeSPA). By giving GOM the reigns, they've killed Proleague, and without a team league there will be no salaried players. It's just every man for himself in the individual leagues, and only the winners will make any money. You can't have a professional sport if only the top 5 players make enough money to quit their day job.


Exactly.

Its not the game that is the issue here, obviously the game belongs to blizzard, but how can people justify that blizzard deserves a piece of the pie when they had no part in building it up.

Kespa built it from the ground up, salaried teams and players, operated a proloeague with no support from blizzard. Blizz waits 10 years until its all built up, steps in and tries to wipe them away.

Blizz dont care about e-sports, they just want more money. E-sports is just a way for them to sell more copies.


>.> ...

Blizzard balanced the game, they kept B-net up for how many years? They kept making map of the week to keep people interested. They made a map editor to let people create their own maps and scenarios. Do you think esport would even appear if blizzard didn't do all those?

Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.

If you don't believe blizzard should get any credit for e-sport, then you also believe that Broadway show screenplay writers shouldn't get any credit when someone performs their play. Your reasoning is: "No one is paying Shakespeare, why should anyone give an ass about you?"


Of course Blizzard should get some credit and recognition for E-Sports. But do you think the correct way to do that is to shut down one the most popular E-Sports league in the world? No! That's not going to make them respect Blizzard for what they have done, nor will it make them go and watch any SC2 E-sports. It will just make them pissed off.


If PL shuts down then its Kespa's fault for failing to see the importance of their negotiations with blizzard. They went over their heads, when they thought they held all the cards or when they thought Blizzard's IP didn't exist.

Blizzard probably offered the same deal to Kespa as they offered to GOM. Sadly Kespa refuse to be moderated in any way, even now they are saying they rather go down and disband than operate under moderation.

They had their chance to deal with Blizzard who didn't want a piece of pie. Now they have to deal with GOM who wants the entire pie.
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
September 03 2010 18:21 GMT
#468
Would you support blizzard shutting down iccup too?
The plural of anecdote is not data.
hacpee
Profile Joined November 2007
United States752 Posts
September 03 2010 18:29 GMT
#469
On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 01:46 Rikstah wrote:
On September 04 2010 01:08 Zzoram wrote:
Blizzard put 0 effort into creating e-sports, it's all been the KeSPA (which is made up of all the teams that started this before they formalized KeSPA). By giving GOM the reigns, they've killed Proleague, and without a team league there will be no salaried players. It's just every man for himself in the individual leagues, and only the winners will make any money. You can't have a professional sport if only the top 5 players make enough money to quit their day job.


Exactly.

Its not the game that is the issue here, obviously the game belongs to blizzard, but how can people justify that blizzard deserves a piece of the pie when they had no part in building it up.

Kespa built it from the ground up, salaried teams and players, operated a proloeague with no support from blizzard. Blizz waits 10 years until its all built up, steps in and tries to wipe them away.

Blizz dont care about e-sports, they just want more money. E-sports is just a way for them to sell more copies.


>.> ...

Blizzard balanced the game, they kept B-net up for how many years? They kept making map of the week to keep people interested. They made a map editor to let people create their own maps and scenarios. Do you think esport would even appear if blizzard didn't do all those?

Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.

If you don't believe blizzard should get any credit for e-sport, then you also believe that Broadway show screenplay writers shouldn't get any credit when someone performs their play. Your reasoning is: "No one is paying Shakespeare, why should anyone give an ass about you?"


Blizzard balanced the game? Since when? The mapmakers balanced the game. Try playing SC on lost temple. Terran win most of the time.

Blizzard basically sees E-sports as another way to generate more revenue. A supplement. Kinda like how newspapers supplement their advertising revenue by charging for the paper. Eventually, they will want to make Bnet the Facebook of gaming, which has the potential to generate large amounts of steady income. KESPA stands in their way.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
September 03 2010 18:44 GMT
#470
On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 01:46 Rikstah wrote:
On September 04 2010 01:08 Zzoram wrote:
Blizzard put 0 effort into creating e-sports, it's all been the KeSPA (which is made up of all the teams that started this before they formalized KeSPA). By giving GOM the reigns, they've killed Proleague, and without a team league there will be no salaried players. It's just every man for himself in the individual leagues, and only the winners will make any money. You can't have a professional sport if only the top 5 players make enough money to quit their day job.


Exactly.

Its not the game that is the issue here, obviously the game belongs to blizzard, but how can people justify that blizzard deserves a piece of the pie when they had no part in building it up.

Kespa built it from the ground up, salaried teams and players, operated a proloeague with no support from blizzard. Blizz waits 10 years until its all built up, steps in and tries to wipe them away.

Blizz dont care about e-sports, they just want more money. E-sports is just a way for them to sell more copies.

>.> ...
Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.


I wouldn't be surprised if you were just some Blizzard plant or REALLY STUPID to be claiming that. You clearly have no knowledge of how businesses work if you claim "They don't want more money".
FishForThought
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada88 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 18:57:34
September 03 2010 18:47 GMT
#471
On September 04 2010 03:29 hacpee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:
On September 04 2010 01:46 Rikstah wrote:
On September 04 2010 01:08 Zzoram wrote:
Blizzard put 0 effort into creating e-sports, it's all been the KeSPA (which is made up of all the teams that started this before they formalized KeSPA). By giving GOM the reigns, they've killed Proleague, and without a team league there will be no salaried players. It's just every man for himself in the individual leagues, and only the winners will make any money. You can't have a professional sport if only the top 5 players make enough money to quit their day job.


Exactly.

Its not the game that is the issue here, obviously the game belongs to blizzard, but how can people justify that blizzard deserves a piece of the pie when they had no part in building it up.

Kespa built it from the ground up, salaried teams and players, operated a proloeague with no support from blizzard. Blizz waits 10 years until its all built up, steps in and tries to wipe them away.

Blizz dont care about e-sports, they just want more money. E-sports is just a way for them to sell more copies.


>.> ...

Blizzard balanced the game, they kept B-net up for how many years? They kept making map of the week to keep people interested. They made a map editor to let people create their own maps and scenarios. Do you think esport would even appear if blizzard didn't do all those?

Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.

If you don't believe blizzard should get any credit for e-sport, then you also believe that Broadway show screenplay writers shouldn't get any credit when someone performs their play. Your reasoning is: "No one is paying Shakespeare, why should anyone give an ass about you?"


Blizzard balanced the game? Since when? The mapmakers balanced the game. Try playing SC on lost temple. Terran win most of the time.

Blizzard basically sees E-sports as another way to generate more revenue. A supplement. Kinda like how newspapers supplement their advertising revenue by charging for the paper. Eventually, they will want to make Bnet the Facebook of gaming, which has the potential to generate large amounts of steady income. KESPA stands in their way.


Since Broodwar and balance patches. Try playing sc v 1.0 without broodwar or patches and see how balanced things are.

Well Kespa is not really in the way, because they are on the verge of disbanding. Also, it doesn't really matter what Blizzard sees. No one really cares about the e-sport, the only reason people sponsor anything is so they can pitch their product to the audience but who cares, everyone benefits in the end. If blizzard becomes an official sponsor of Kespa or whatsnot, then they have incentive to make their game better and listen to the request of fans and kespa for better gaming experience and competitiveness yaddi yadda.

If you cut blizzard out of the picture, then they don't care about you. They won't even bother negotiating with you. It might be too late already but Kespa really needs to learn to pick their battles. Some battles, its more beneficial if you just lose some face and give in.

On September 04 2010 03:44 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:
On September 04 2010 01:46 Rikstah wrote:
On September 04 2010 01:08 Zzoram wrote:
Blizzard put 0 effort into creating e-sports, it's all been the KeSPA (which is made up of all the teams that started this before they formalized KeSPA). By giving GOM the reigns, they've killed Proleague, and without a team league there will be no salaried players. It's just every man for himself in the individual leagues, and only the winners will make any money. You can't have a professional sport if only the top 5 players make enough money to quit their day job.


Exactly.

Its not the game that is the issue here, obviously the game belongs to blizzard, but how can people justify that blizzard deserves a piece of the pie when they had no part in building it up.

Kespa built it from the ground up, salaried teams and players, operated a proloeague with no support from blizzard. Blizz waits 10 years until its all built up, steps in and tries to wipe them away.

Blizz dont care about e-sports, they just want more money. E-sports is just a way for them to sell more copies.

>.> ...
Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.


I wouldn't be surprised if you were just some Blizzard plant or REALLY STUPID to be claiming that. You clearly have no knowledge of how businesses work if you claim "They don't want more money".


On the contrary, its called investment. They'll lose money in the short run, in hopes for a greater return in the long run. So at this moment, "they don't want more money" in context of Korea e-sport/pro-gaming scene, instead they want "control".
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 03 2010 18:54 GMT
#472
On September 04 2010 00:34 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2010 09:57 kyrshiro wrote:
It's about time that Blizzard is putting their foot down with the BW scene in Korea.

Blizzard put a-lot of hard work into SC2 and its natural for them to want to see the game progress in the E-Sports scene. People playing BW in tournaments now is like watching people play Halo 1, instead of Halo 3?

Why keep playing the original when the new is out, sure people can keep playing BW without any restriction. But when companies like KeSPA/MBC are benefiting through sponsorship, viewer ship and mass media coverage. Blizzard needs to make sure their company is benefiting best serves themselves and their customers even if many don't agree. I'm sure a majority of users HAVE made the switch from BW to SC2.

I know many don't agree with me, this is just my opinion, I agree with Blizzard for removing BW or taking steps to remove it from the Pro-Gaming scene not only in korea but the rest of the world too.

Times are changing folks.


The hell us wrong with you?

Really who are you tell what other people should play? Want my opinion?

SC2 sucks, I still havent bought it and I have no plans to. In contrast I played about 30 games of BW today. Why? BW IS THE BETTER GAME. I enjoy watching it and playing it. I don't know how putting an AXE to the BW scene is benefiting customers but it isn't.

God your post makes me so angry I can't post coherently. Ahhh....

i completley agree... kyrshiro- you are on drugs.

you cant force people to switch. make a brilliant game and let people switch out of choice. forcing sc2 down peoples throats is gonna kill both games...

at the end of the day its is a GAME. people play and watch it because the ENJOY it.

it all comes down to personal preference.. some people are gonna like sc2 better, others will love bw no matter what (me haha). you shouldnt force pros to give up their careers and start anew - especially with no security and steady salary like how Kespa offered.

and blizzard should respect their own classic (bw) instead of trying to kill it and replace it. USE IT AS A TOOL TO PROMOTE SC2 GODDAMMIT!

im fine with watching a 30 second add about sc2 or gsl promotions right before a proleague game starts... blizz, gretech, kespa, gom, ogn should all support STARCRAFT and ESPORTS as a whole.

not continue with this bullshit politics.

anyway, my point is you, nor blizzard has any right to stop me from playing bw and switch into sc2. so why should they get to stop the pros from entertaining us fans?
Jaedong.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2310 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 19:07:50
September 03 2010 19:06 GMT
#473
On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:

Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.


WAIT, WHAT??? Do we speak about the same Activision Blizzard? Wake up!
Besides, if Blizz doesnt want some piece of the pie, than why they even intervened in first place? Do you really are such naive, that you dont see they just dont tolerate home war between SC:BW and SC2 legues? They really want SC1 to die, becouse its, ironically, game that slows down SC2 reign in Korea. Don't you see that's not about KESPA, but all about Proleague?
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
FishForThought
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada88 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 19:21:02
September 03 2010 19:18 GMT
#474
On September 04 2010 04:06 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:

Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.


WAIT, WHAT??? Do we speak about the same Activision Blizzard? Wake up!
Besides, if Blizz doesnt want some piece of the pie, than why they even intervened in first place? Do you really are such naive, that you dont see they just dont tolerate home war between SC:BW and SC2 legues? They really want SC1 to die, becouse its, ironically, game that slows down SC2 reign in Korea. Don't you see that's not about KESPA, but all about Proleague?


Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.


T.T You guys are making me sad, this is pretty simple. You want to make a e-sport/pro-gaming scene for your game, but you don't want to spend money or over-extend yourself so what do you? Go out, make a contract with the people who already made a pro-gaming scene with your game, and direct them to go towards your goal. You don't even need to take money from them, because they are basically accomplishing your goals for you. In fact, the people making the pro-gaming scene for you games can demand things like "I want a lan version of your game", "I want you to pay for the tournaments that we are going to host"... etc
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
September 03 2010 19:20 GMT
#475
Please don't kill my BW
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
September 03 2010 19:22 GMT
#476
On September 04 2010 04:18 FishForThought wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 04:06 hitthat wrote:
On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:

Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.


WAIT, WHAT??? Do we speak about the same Activision Blizzard? Wake up!
Besides, if Blizz doesnt want some piece of the pie, than why they even intervened in first place? Do you really are such naive, that you dont see they just dont tolerate home war between SC:BW and SC2 legues? They really want SC1 to die, becouse its, ironically, game that slows down SC2 reign in Korea. Don't you see that's not about KESPA, but all about Proleague?


Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.


T.T You guys are making me sad, this is pretty simple. You want to make a e-sport/pro-gaming scene for your game, but you don't want to spend money or over-extend yourself so what do you? Go out, make a contract with the people who already made a pro-gaming scene with your game, and direct them to go towards your goal. You don't even need to take money from them, because they are basically accomplishing your goals for you.


And you are making me sad. Blizzard don't want money, a cold day in hell plz before I believe that.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7953 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 19:29:59
September 03 2010 19:28 GMT
#477
On September 04 2010 04:18 FishForThought wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 04:06 hitthat wrote:
On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:

Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.


WAIT, WHAT??? Do we speak about the same Activision Blizzard? Wake up!
Besides, if Blizz doesnt want some piece of the pie, than why they even intervened in first place? Do you really are such naive, that you dont see they just dont tolerate home war between SC:BW and SC2 legues? They really want SC1 to die, becouse its, ironically, game that slows down SC2 reign in Korea. Don't you see that's not about KESPA, but all about Proleague?


Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.


T.T You guys are making me sad, this is pretty simple. You want to make a e-sport/pro-gaming scene for your game, but you don't want to spend money or over-extend yourself so what do you? Go out, make a contract with the people who already made a pro-gaming scene with your game, and direct them to go towards your goal. You don't even need to take money from them, because they are basically accomplishing your goals for you.

lol "Blizzard has enough money"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah. Right. Someone understood how the world is working.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
FishForThought
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada88 Posts
September 03 2010 19:31 GMT
#478
On September 04 2010 04:22 hellbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 04:18 FishForThought wrote:
On September 04 2010 04:06 hitthat wrote:
On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:

Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.


WAIT, WHAT??? Do we speak about the same Activision Blizzard? Wake up!
Besides, if Blizz doesnt want some piece of the pie, than why they even intervened in first place? Do you really are such naive, that you dont see they just dont tolerate home war between SC:BW and SC2 legues? They really want SC1 to die, becouse its, ironically, game that slows down SC2 reign in Korea. Don't you see that's not about KESPA, but all about Proleague?


Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.


T.T You guys are making me sad, this is pretty simple. You want to make a e-sport/pro-gaming scene for your game, but you don't want to spend money or over-extend yourself so what do you? Go out, make a contract with the people who already made a pro-gaming scene with your game, and direct them to go towards your goal. You don't even need to take money from them, because they are basically accomplishing your goals for you.


And you are making me sad. Blizzard don't want money, a cold day in hell plz before I believe that.


If money is their priority, then they would of accepted Kespa's original offer of giving them just money. Instead, they opted for control and moderation such as Kespa needs permission from blizzard to host certain tournaments which Kespa does not like and rejects.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-03 20:05:52
September 03 2010 20:01 GMT
#479
On September 04 2010 04:18 FishForThought wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2010 04:06 hitthat wrote:
On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:

Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.


WAIT, WHAT??? Do we speak about the same Activision Blizzard? Wake up!
Besides, if Blizz doesnt want some piece of the pie, than why they even intervened in first place? Do you really are such naive, that you dont see they just dont tolerate home war between SC:BW and SC2 legues? They really want SC1 to die, becouse its, ironically, game that slows down SC2 reign in Korea. Don't you see that's not about KESPA, but all about Proleague?


Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.
This really is the dumbest.

Since Broodwar and balance patches. Try playing sc v 1.0 without broodwar or patches and see how balanced things are.
All credit to them for that of course. But keep in mind the last balance patch was released 9 years ago. All balance changes since then have come from players and mapmakers (which conveniently is hindered in SC2 since they control what maps are to be played)

If money is their priority, then they would of accepted Kespa's original offer of giving them just money. Instead, they opted for control and moderation such as Kespa needs permission from blizzard to host certain tournaments which Kespa does not like and rejects.
control leads to money. You are delusional if you don't think that's the end goal. REGARDLESS them wanting to assert control over something they did not help in building up is also not super noble seeming to me. They made the game which is awesome, but the whole structure of professional BW e-sports was built up with a lot of sacrifice from people who are not Blizzard. I don't really care what their motivation is, they are moving to tear that structure down.
Claytor656
Profile Joined April 2010
United States15 Posts
September 03 2010 20:14 GMT
#480
On September 04 2010 03:21 gyth wrote:
Would you support blizzard shutting down iccup too?


I like how no one answered this extremely simple, extremely relevant post.

It's actually, extremely similar to what we're looking at here.

Hell, who knows, maybe ICCup is next.
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