EPTOn September 02 2010 09:03 Mobius wrote:
Joined TL.net Thursday, 18th of March 2010
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7953 Posts
On September 02 2010 09:03 Mobius wrote: Joined TL.net Thursday, 18th of March 2010 I giggled | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On August 31 2010 20:32 Gregsen wrote: Blizzard didn't fucking care about property rights for more than 7 years, they should have no right whatsoever to claim them now just because there's more money to make now. I hope the korean court totally fucks those bastards over. You don't lose your property rights just because you didn't care about them in the past lol. | ||
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gyth
657 Posts
Were the original author (Marion Zimmer Bradley) used ideas that were present in someones fanfic. The fanfic writer then sued for co-author status. Kespa could claim similar status, as clearly someone at activision has watched a kespa match sometime. | ||
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CoWsGoesMoo
250 Posts
On September 01 2010 20:21 Rekrul wrote: gotta love a thread full of misinformed idiots who all think they know whats going on babbling amongst eachother! Welcome to the Internetz. User was warned for this post | ||
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crazeman
664 Posts
Maybe SC2 wouldn't have sold as many copies because of the 7 years of "free advertising" but stop making it sound like the only reason SC2 sold 1.8 million copies (excluding korea) in one day was because of the korean pro-gaming scene. According to some of the posts I've read on TL, it didn't even sell that well in Korea. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
On September 03 2010 03:58 andrewlt wrote: Many of you guys are unreasonable. Just because somebody ignored a thief for 10 years doesn't mean that it stops being stealing. all of you dont understand! you can steal a copy of a game cd, but youre not stealing anything by playing it. just like you can steal a football, but if youre using a ball to play soccer, then what the fuck are you stealing? Is the Football Association FIFA stealing something from the inventor of the ball? this is so american... in the land where you can accuse the hamburger company for making you fat, its obvious that a game company can accuse ppl of playing their game. but for everybody non-american this whole situation seems so god damn stupid... | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On September 03 2010 04:05 Heimatloser wrote: all of you dont understand! you can steal a copy of a game cd, but youre not stealing anything by playing it. just like you can steal a football, but if youre using a ball to play soccer, then what the fuck are you stealing? Is the Football Association FIFA stealing something from the inventor of the ball? this is so american... in the land where you can accuse the hamburger company for making you fat, its obvious that a game company can accuse ppl of playing their game. but for everybody non-american this whole situation seems so god damn stupid... Just because you don't understand copyright law doesn't mean it's stupid. There's a reason you all play American games and your videogame industries are either extremely niche or dead. It's especially funny that your example is a game invented hundreds of years ago before copyright laws were needed. Without these contracts, there's really no reason for Blizzard to support e-sports and balance the game for e-sports, no matter how large you guys blow out of proportion the percentage of SC:BW sales that are due to e-sports. | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On September 03 2010 04:05 Heimatloser wrote: all of you dont understand! you can steal a copy of a game cd, but youre not stealing anything by playing it. just like you can steal a football, but if youre using a ball to play soccer, then what the fuck are you stealing? Is the Football Association FIFA stealing something from the inventor of the ball? this is so american... in the land where you can accuse the hamburger company for making you fat, its obvious that a game company can accuse ppl of playing their game. but for everybody non-american this whole situation seems so god damn stupid... Well football in itself is free rights as nobody own it nor can claim it, now a lot of things in football are associated with rights and must be bougth to be used in a video games for example. This is not a free market at all... but I think you knew that already. This is just like chess or biking, it comes from an era where such rights didnt exist and were most probably made just for entertainment without much investment. Now for video games, the creator has every rights to forbid you to make profit out of it without return to the creator. This is absolutly normal and I dont think a lot of people here would be so inclined to just let a lot of money pass under their nose if someone was using their own intellectual property. Quick example, you develop a new board game in your basement, sell it, it becomes quite popular and you sell it a lot in your local area. You live from it but you would like a bit more. Now someone comes and make tournament of your board game, and make big money from advertising, tickets and so on. They make a lot of money out of your own creation, I now very few people that would be like : who cares. Most will just see it as justice that they should be paid a fee for such things. Now Im worried like everyone else about what will happen in the pro-scene and I dont know the exact details of what Blizz asks foor the rights, they might ask too much and it is very wrong if there is little profit to be made after paying them. But one must start to realize Blizz is not 100% evil and the counter part 100% good. As for your opinion on Americans, I dont think TL is a place for antiamericanism raised by poor information full of clichés. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On September 03 2010 05:27 rezoacken wrote: Now for video games, the creator has every rights to forbid you to make profit out of it without return to the creator. This is absolutly normal and I dont think a lot of people here would be so inclined to just let a lot of money pass under their nose if someone was using their own intellectual property. Quick example, you develop a new board game in your basement, sell it, it becomes quite popular and you sell it a lot in your local area. You live from it but you would like a bit more. Now someone comes and make tournament of your board game, and make big money from advertising, tickets and so on. They make a lot of money out of your own creation, I now very few people that would be like : who cares. Most will just see it as justice that they should be paid a fee for such things. If you're really trying to use this analogy (and to be honest, I think it's a good parallel), it shows that Activision-Blizzard should get their hands off of such third party usage of the game they sold to you. Board games like Scrabble, published by Hasbro, have tournaments held all over the world at all sorts of scales, from local clubs to world championships. And there are no royalties, rules or restrictions on who can hold such tournaments, nor do they have to pay Hasbro. There's no need to get Hasbro's permission to run a tournament, and Hasbro doesn't place any restrictions on those wishing to run tournaments. The large national tournaments are run by a committee that is independent from Hasbro, too. Are you really a person who believes that the creator of some software, tool, or device should retain all rights associated with their creation even if a customer pays for it? What did the customer pay for after all if the customer gets no rights? Do keep in mind that players of the game have already compensated the creator by purchasing the game itself. And organizers of events, or people who use the software to create game footage, etc - they all as well have paid to use the software. | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
On September 03 2010 05:27 rezoacken wrote: Well football in itself is free rights as nobody own it nor can claim it, now a lot of things in football are associated with rights and must be bougth to be used in a video games for example. This is not a free market at all... but I think you knew that already. This is just like chess or biking, it comes from an era where such rights didnt exist and were most probably made just for entertainment without much investment. Now for video games, the creator has every rights to forbid you to make profit out of it without return to the creator. This is absolutly normal and I dont think a lot of people here would be so inclined to just let a lot of money pass under their nose if someone was using their own intellectual property. Quick example, you develop a new board game in your basement, sell it, it becomes quite popular and you sell it a lot in your local area. You live from it but you would like a bit more. Now someone comes and make tournament of your board game, and make big money from advertising, tickets and so on. They make a lot of money out of your own creation, I now very few people that would be like : who cares. Most will just see it as justice that they should be paid a fee for such things. Now Im worried like everyone else about what will happen in the pro-scene and I dont know the exact details of what Blizz asks foor the rights, they might ask too much and it is very wrong if there is little profit to be made after paying them. But one must start to realize Blizz is not 100% evil and the counter part 100% good. As for your opinion on Americans, I dont think TL is a place for antiamericanism raised by poor information full of clichés. its not that i dont understand software copyright law. its just a fact that those laws dont exist in germany, and we do everything to maintain this status. this is no anti-americanism, but the rest of the world seems to just different in this area. just because the software laws are young they dont need to be abused. the hasbro-example showed above is good, counter that. Or other board-games, card-games, sport-games, its the same everywhere. does a runner have to pay nike and reebok for using their shoes in a marathon? | ||
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splints
Canada85 Posts
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On September 03 2010 04:12 andrewlt wrote: Just because you don't understand copyright law doesn't mean it's stupid. There's a reason you all play American games and your videogame industries are either extremely niche or dead. It's especially funny that your example is a game invented hundreds of years ago before copyright laws were needed. Without these contracts, there's really no reason for Blizzard to support e-sports and balance the game for e-sports, no matter how large you guys blow out of proportion the percentage of SC:BW sales that are due to e-sports. This isn't the US. US courts have no jurisdiction. | ||
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kyrshiro
United States3 Posts
Blizzard put a-lot of hard work into SC2 and its natural for them to want to see the game progress in the E-Sports scene. People playing BW in tournaments now is like watching people play Halo 1, instead of Halo 3? Why keep playing the original when the new is out, sure people can keep playing BW without any restriction. But when companies like KeSPA/MBC are benefiting through sponsorship, viewer ship and mass media coverage. Blizzard needs to make sure their company is benefiting best serves themselves and their customers even if many don't agree. I'm sure a majority of users HAVE made the switch from BW to SC2. I know many don't agree with me, this is just my opinion, I agree with Blizzard for removing BW or taking steps to remove it from the Pro-Gaming scene not only in korea but the rest of the world too. Times are changing folks. | ||
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CoWsGoesMoo
250 Posts
On September 02 2010 21:21 CoWsGoesMoo wrote: Welcome to the Internetz. User was warned for this post "Please put some effort into your posts. One word replies and other low content posts are not appreciated here." and rekruls response was pretty constructive. Good one mod's keep up the great work. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On September 03 2010 09:57 kyrshiro wrote: It's about time that Blizzard is putting their foot down with the BW scene in Korea. Blizzard put a-lot of hard work into SC2 and its natural for them to want to see the game progress in the E-Sports scene. People playing BW in tournaments now is like watching people play Halo 1, instead of Halo 3? Why keep playing the original when the new is out, sure people can keep playing BW without any restriction. But when companies like KeSPA/MBC are benefiting through sponsorship, viewer ship and mass media coverage. Blizzard needs to make sure their company is benefiting best serves themselves and their customers even if many don't agree. I'm sure a majority of users HAVE made the switch from BW to SC2. I know many don't agree with me, this is just my opinion, I agree with Blizzard for removing BW or taking steps to remove it from the Pro-Gaming scene not only in korea but the rest of the world too. Times are changing folks. because new > old every time right.......? | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On September 03 2010 09:57 kyrshiro wrote: Blizzard needs to make sure their company is benefiting best serves themselves and their customers even if many don't agree. So BW purchasers and buyers now don't count as customers anymore? | ||
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gyth
657 Posts
I agree with Blizzard for removing BW or taking steps to remove it from the Pro-Gaming scene not only in korea but the rest of the world too. I have to very strongly disagree. Blizzard has a right to promote their new game. But purposely killing a great game with a decade of glorious history on the hopes that a month old game MIGHT do better is obscene IMO. And if there is a way to legally remove their and any game makers right to kill off their own game, I hope it is found. P.S. would it be fair if microsoft put out a patch making halo 1/2/3 unplayable on reach's launch day? And would it be legal? | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On September 03 2010 09:57 kyrshiro wrote: It's about time that Blizzard is putting their foot down with the BW scene in Korea. Blizzard put a-lot of hard work into SC2 and its natural for them to want to see the game progress in the E-Sports scene. People playing BW in tournaments now is like watching people play Halo 1, instead of Halo 3? Why keep playing the original when the new is out, sure people can keep playing BW without any restriction. But when companies like KeSPA/MBC are benefiting through sponsorship, viewer ship and mass media coverage. Blizzard needs to make sure their company is benefiting best serves themselves and their customers even if many don't agree. I'm sure a majority of users HAVE made the switch from BW to SC2. I know many don't agree with me, this is just my opinion, I agree with Blizzard for removing BW or taking steps to remove it from the Pro-Gaming scene not only in korea but the rest of the world too. Times are changing folks. Lol, you think that just because Blizzard wants to see SC2 develop, it will? Maybe SC2 will develop, maybe not, but Blizzard hardly has any say in that. The fans do. And right now, I'm sure most of us are either: A. Pissed as hell about them trying to kill off the BW scene B. Pissed as hell at Gom's $20 charge on streams. And why keep playing the original? Why not? Why should we play the new one? Should we stop playing Melee for Brawl? Stop SF2 for SF4? Stop CS 1.6 because Source is out? No, we don't. Some of us prefer not to fall into that idiotic mindset of "new is better because it's new" or "new is better because it's shinier." Not saying that's you necessarily, but I find that mindset stupid. And if Blizzard needs to make sure their company is benefiting their customers, well, they better remember that BW players ARE their customers. They also need to realize that charging people for a stream of GOM is not benefiting them. Times are changing is completely irrelevant as to whether it's for better or for worse. Ever heard of conservatism? Maybe of Edmund Burke who stated that times shouldn't change to fast, but rather in small increments? Yeah, maybe we shouldn't completely trash the product that produced such an amazing scene, allowed for the creation of a website known as Teamliquid, and provides certain people their livelihood in South Korea just because "times are changing folks." | ||
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