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So best case scenario, MBC and KeSPA continue to have MSL and Proleague without a contract, Gretech attempts to file a lawsuit, and the Korean court finds in favor of MBC and KeSPA.
I don't get why Blizzard is doing this, they were already making royalties off MBC, Proleague, OGN, and such right? So is it because they're control freaks or because they want to see Brood War die so they can make even more money off SC2? Like, idk, I think Brood War has the potential to last another decade and I'm sure the royalties would probably generate enough revenue to justify not pushing SC2 in South Korea especially with its success in the rest of the world.
Not certain but I'm pretty sure a level-headed judge would find in favor of MBC and KeSPA considering the fact that Blizzard didn't seem to give a shit about broadcasting rights for the past twelve years. Beyond that, I can't help but think that this deal helps the American company of Activision/Blizzard yet hurts numerous South Korean companies (MBC, KeSPA, the advertising power of the companies who sponsor the pro teams, etc). It would only make sense for a South Korean court to find in favor of MBC/KeSPA.
I really don't wanna see Brood War die, SC2 is fun but it's so damn boring to watch... 
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FishForThought is either a troll or a Blizzard employee.
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wouldn't cost much from blizzard's enormous marketing budget to pay people (most likely their own employees) to come here to smear bw. they spent millions in korea and the result has not been fruitful.
i have been absolutely disgusted at the posts in this forum lately. where did all these anti-bw come from? i would think that sc2 gamers would be playing their own game, being pissed at gom, or minding their own business.
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Blizzard and Kespa could make a ton of money with SC2 if they would just work together und share the money. That would be enough for each.
The only thing i cant hear anymore is that BW is the better game.
No one can judge this for all. BW is an amazing game but it wasnt from the start. It took many years and to compare the game we should wait a fair amount of time.
I really enjoy watching SC2 games as i do with BW games.
But as i am speaking only for me i say that i wont play BW anymore. SC2 is more fun for me. Tried BW last week but i just cant stand the 640x480 resolution anymore.
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On September 04 2010 06:59 _awake_ wrote:
wouldn't cost much from blizzard's enormous marketing budget to pay people (most likely their own employees) to come here to smear bw. they spent millions in korea and the result has not been fruitful.
i have been absolutely disgusted at the posts in this forum lately. where did all these anti-bw come from? i would think that sc2 gamers would be playing their own game, being pissed at gom, or minding their own business.
And the Brood War forum slowly loses its grip on reality, the next knock on your door will probably be Dustin Browder, ready to drive his shiny dome into your sternum for not supporting SC2
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The only thing i cant hear anymore is that BW is the better game.
No one can judge this for all.
And Kespa should be allowed to judge for themselves, and play BW if that's what they want to do.
It took many years and to compare the game we should wait a fair amount of time.
I would agree that its unfair to compare a game with a decade of metagame behind it to something that still has two expansions due. But that doesn't mean I am obliged to treat it equally until it has a chance to catch up. I'll treat it equally when it catches up. (which it should someday)
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On September 04 2010 05:01 MamiyaOtaru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 04:18 FishForThought wrote:On September 04 2010 04:06 hitthat wrote:On September 04 2010 02:58 FishForThought wrote:
Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such.
WAIT, WHAT??? Do we speak about the same Activision Blizzard? Wake up! Besides, if Blizz doesnt want some piece of the pie, than why they even intervened in first place? Do you really are such naive, that you dont see they just dont tolerate home war between SC:BW and SC2 legues? They really want SC1 to die, becouse its, ironically, game that slows down SC2 reign in Korea. Don't you see that's not about KESPA, but all about Proleague? Also for the last time, they don't want a piece of the pie. They just want to moderate who makes the pie with their pan. Blizzard has enough money, they don't want more money ; in fact, they dumped money to GOM for bigger tournament prizes and such. This really is the dumbest. Show nested quote +Since Broodwar and balance patches. Try playing sc v 1.0 without broodwar or patches and see how balanced things are. All credit to them for that of course. But keep in mind the last balance patch was released 9 years ago. All balance changes since then have come from players and mapmakers (which conveniently is hindered in SC2 since they control what maps are to be played) Show nested quote +If money is their priority, then they would of accepted Kespa's original offer of giving them just money. Instead, they opted for control and moderation such as Kespa needs permission from blizzard to host certain tournaments which Kespa does not like and rejects. control leads to money. You are delusional if you don't think that's the end goal. REGARDLESS them wanting to assert control over something they did not help in building up is also not super noble seeming to me. They made the game which is awesome, but the whole structure of professional BW e-sports was built up with a lot of sacrifice from people who are not Blizzard. I don't really care what their motivation is, they are moving to tear that structure down.
I think their end-goal is have a global awareness of e-sport with their game, thus they want GOMTV to continue with English Commentators, amateur leagues, leagues that doesn't require a pro-gaming license to participate. I also think blizzard is willing to sacrifice royalties and a significant amount of money to create partners like Gretech to achieve this.
But hey I might be wrong, but it sounds more plausible than one you paint them: where Blizzard investors/employees sits on top of a pile of cash lighting their cigars with 100 dollar bills.
I'll use the pie analogy again. Kespa bakes pie, they use Blizzard's pan to bake them. Blizzard wants to have some say in what kind of pie they bake with their pan, Kespa says no.. so blizzard gave the pan to Gretech.
I won't add in the fact that Kespa was using the pan without consent since blizzard isn't suing them for that but It all comes down to: Does blizzard have the right to approve what pie Kespa bake with their pan and was Kespa being too stupid/stubborn to accept Blizzard's offer. I vote the latter.
On September 04 2010 06:12 zenMaster wrote:
FishForThought is either a troll or a Blizzard employee.
Ironically, this is coming from someone who just posted a one liner that has no relevance to this topic.
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Does blizzard have the right to approve what pie Kespa bake with their pan and was Kespa being too stupid/stubborn to accept Blizzard's offer. I vote the latter.
In a Korean court they are likely to rule that Kespa's use of the pan they bought from blizzard represents "fair use".
P.S. If James Naismith's heir came out with basketball 2.0, should they be able to tell everyone to stop playing regular basketball?
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P.S. If James Naismith's heir came out with basketball 2.0, should they be able to tell everyone to stop playing regular basketball?
Except Starcraft is an intellectual property. You bought the product to be able to play. Basketball is neither an intellectual property nor do you have to pay to be able to play.
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Someone invented basketball (his name was James Naismith), how is that not intellectual property?
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On September 04 2010 10:36 gyth wrote:Show nested quote +Does blizzard have the right to approve what pie Kespa bake with their pan and was Kespa being too stupid/stubborn to accept Blizzard's offer. I vote the latter. In a Korean court they are likely to rule that Kespa's use of the pan they bought from blizzard represents "fair use". P.S. If James Naismith's heir came out with basketball 2.0, should they be able to tell everyone to stop playing regular basketball?
I think Kespa has better chance to win the lawsuit in Korea.
But the thing is this lawsuit can last for years.
I believe during these several years, Kespa can not organize any matches, including Proleague.
Then that situation is the same as BW died.
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On September 04 2010 11:43 hydraden wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 10:36 gyth wrote:Does blizzard have the right to approve what pie Kespa bake with their pan and was Kespa being too stupid/stubborn to accept Blizzard's offer. I vote the latter. In a Korean court they are likely to rule that Kespa's use of the pan they bought from blizzard represents "fair use". P.S. If James Naismith's heir came out with basketball 2.0, should they be able to tell everyone to stop playing regular basketball? I think Kespa has better chance to win the lawsuit in Korea. But the thing is this lawsuit can last for years. I believe during these several years, Kespa can not organize any matches, including Proleague. Then that situation is the same as BW died.
yes but under such a situation where brood war died a natural death(sort of) we would accept it(sort of).
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Hope this does go to court. I'm convinced a Korean court will smack Acti-Lizzard back across the pacific.
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On September 04 2010 11:43 hydraden wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 10:36 gyth wrote:Does blizzard have the right to approve what pie Kespa bake with their pan and was Kespa being too stupid/stubborn to accept Blizzard's offer. I vote the latter. In a Korean court they are likely to rule that Kespa's use of the pan they bought from blizzard represents "fair use". P.S. If James Naismith's heir came out with basketball 2.0, should they be able to tell everyone to stop playing regular basketball? I think Kespa has better chance to win the lawsuit in Korea. But the thing is this lawsuit can last for years. I believe during these several years, Kespa can not organize any matches, including Proleague. Then that situation is the same as BW died.
Actually while a lawsuit is going on they could continue operating since there is no official word for them to stop. The real problem is that sponsors might not want to spend so much money on something with an uncertain future which could go away tomorrow, or a league with the stigma of being 'shady' or 'illegal'.
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But the thing is this lawsuit can last for years.
I'm hoping for swift binding arbitration.
I think Kespa will deal pragmatically with any decision handed down by the court.
But as long as they think they'll win in court they won't deal seriously with gretech.
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This is why I did not buy SC2.
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On September 04 2010 12:15 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 11:43 hydraden wrote:On September 04 2010 10:36 gyth wrote:Does blizzard have the right to approve what pie Kespa bake with their pan and was Kespa being too stupid/stubborn to accept Blizzard's offer. I vote the latter. In a Korean court they are likely to rule that Kespa's use of the pan they bought from blizzard represents "fair use". P.S. If James Naismith's heir came out with basketball 2.0, should they be able to tell everyone to stop playing regular basketball? I think Kespa has better chance to win the lawsuit in Korea. But the thing is this lawsuit can last for years. I believe during these several years, Kespa can not organize any matches, including Proleague. Then that situation is the same as BW died. Actually while a lawsuit is going on they could continue operating since there is no official word for them to stop. The real problem is that sponsors might not want to spend so much money on something with an uncertain future which could go away tomorrow, or a league with the stigma of being 'shady' or 'illegal'.
Exactly, the court has to actually order KeSPA not to continue with operations at the onset of the trial and it's unlikely they'd do that. The lawsuit would likely drag on and buy time for at least a few more seasons of Proleague and the MSL.
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On September 04 2010 12:15 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 11:43 hydraden wrote:On September 04 2010 10:36 gyth wrote:Does blizzard have the right to approve what pie Kespa bake with their pan and was Kespa being too stupid/stubborn to accept Blizzard's offer. I vote the latter. In a Korean court they are likely to rule that Kespa's use of the pan they bought from blizzard represents "fair use". P.S. If James Naismith's heir came out with basketball 2.0, should they be able to tell everyone to stop playing regular basketball? I think Kespa has better chance to win the lawsuit in Korea. But the thing is this lawsuit can last for years. I believe during these several years, Kespa can not organize any matches, including Proleague. Then that situation is the same as BW died. Actually while a lawsuit is going on they could continue operating since there is no official word for them to stop. The real problem is that sponsors might not want to spend so much money on something with an uncertain future which could go away tomorrow, or a league with the stigma of being 'shady' or 'illegal'.
Thanks for the correction. Then it is still possible BW will survive.
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On September 04 2010 13:30 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 12:15 moopie wrote:On September 04 2010 11:43 hydraden wrote:On September 04 2010 10:36 gyth wrote:Does blizzard have the right to approve what pie Kespa bake with their pan and was Kespa being too stupid/stubborn to accept Blizzard's offer. I vote the latter. In a Korean court they are likely to rule that Kespa's use of the pan they bought from blizzard represents "fair use". P.S. If James Naismith's heir came out with basketball 2.0, should they be able to tell everyone to stop playing regular basketball? I think Kespa has better chance to win the lawsuit in Korea. But the thing is this lawsuit can last for years. I believe during these several years, Kespa can not organize any matches, including Proleague. Then that situation is the same as BW died. Actually while a lawsuit is going on they could continue operating since there is no official word for them to stop. The real problem is that sponsors might not want to spend so much money on something with an uncertain future which could go away tomorrow, or a league with the stigma of being 'shady' or 'illegal'. Exactly, the court has to actually order KeSPA not to continue with operations at the onset of the trial and it's unlikely they'd do that. The lawsuit would likely drag on and buy time for at least a few more seasons of Proleague and the MSL.
Why would they unlikely freeze all operations? Court battle would be between Gretech vs Kespa, both are domestic Korean companies, so there won't be any bias and one of them has a law binding contract that states that they get exclusive rights to broadcast the starcraft franchise. Also, Kespa being the non-profit organization, where would they get the money for a court battle?
I am not trying to crush your hopes, just being realistic here. :-/
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On September 04 2010 14:02 FishForThought wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 13:30 overt wrote:On September 04 2010 12:15 moopie wrote:On September 04 2010 11:43 hydraden wrote:On September 04 2010 10:36 gyth wrote:Does blizzard have the right to approve what pie Kespa bake with their pan and was Kespa being too stupid/stubborn to accept Blizzard's offer. I vote the latter. In a Korean court they are likely to rule that Kespa's use of the pan they bought from blizzard represents "fair use". P.S. If James Naismith's heir came out with basketball 2.0, should they be able to tell everyone to stop playing regular basketball? I think Kespa has better chance to win the lawsuit in Korea. But the thing is this lawsuit can last for years. I believe during these several years, Kespa can not organize any matches, including Proleague. Then that situation is the same as BW died. Actually while a lawsuit is going on they could continue operating since there is no official word for them to stop. The real problem is that sponsors might not want to spend so much money on something with an uncertain future which could go away tomorrow, or a league with the stigma of being 'shady' or 'illegal'. Exactly, the court has to actually order KeSPA not to continue with operations at the onset of the trial and it's unlikely they'd do that. The lawsuit would likely drag on and buy time for at least a few more seasons of Proleague and the MSL. Why would they unlikely freeze all operations? Court battle would be between Gretech vs Kespa, both are domestic Korean companies, so there won't be any bias and one of them has a law binding contract that states that they get exclusive rights to broadcast the starcraft franchise. Also, Kespa being the non-profit organization, where would they get the money for a court battle?/
KeSPA is a non-profit. The companies that have an interest in it and are represented in its board of directors, however, are not.
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