EPTAnd before anyone says anything about being a blizzard fanboy, I feel the same about any other company. You should own the rights to the shit you create and if you create something that relies off another product that you don't own you should get into a mutual contract.
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Medzo
United States627 Posts
And before anyone says anything about being a blizzard fanboy, I feel the same about any other company. You should own the rights to the shit you create and if you create something that relies off another product that you don't own you should get into a mutual contract. | ||
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WECKL
Sweden36 Posts
but no one really cares.  a lot>few. ^_^ | ||
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Teddyman
Finland362 Posts
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On September 01 2010 03:42 Durn wrote: Is no one excited by the prospect of a e-sports reset if SC2 were to catch? People keep going on about ZOMG GAMEPLAY DEVELOPED OVER 12 YEARS. I for one am sick of seeing a BW Terran opening, seeing a Protoss scout it, react with the appropriate 12 year old build order and knowing full well that the game would come down to a micro battle (which is impressive, but again, stale). I remember seeing NonY mass Phoenixes for the first time and being so ****ing confused as to what he was doing. And then seeing him STOMP zerg players. I am so excited for game development. this exciting freewheeling time only lasts until people figure out the optimal builds (MMM). This will go faster than it did with BW, because people are better at it and have their experience from previous RTSs to apply to it. With BW, we still aren't at that point after 12 years. New things keep happening. Not with the same speed as they used to, but it hasn't become stale after a decade and I wouldn't want to toss that out for a couple months of WTF builds in SC2 before it settles down. EDIT yeah maybe SC2 will remain dynamic for just as long. There is no way to know that right now though and I would bet against it (BW was a ridiculous accident). But to repeat: no way to know ahead of time. So i am not excited about tossing out a proven commodity like BW for something that might have something approaching the same staying power. That would be very short sighted | ||
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Gregsen
Germany667 Posts
On September 01 2010 03:44 Teddyman wrote: KeSPA should have approached Blizzard in the early 2000s and gotten a permanent license for BW. It boggles my mind how an organization can operate for years without making sure they have solid legal ground. They're lucky to not get sued for royalties retroactively for the length of their whole existence. I must admit this would've been the safest thing to do. However, as I said before, property right laws work differently in Korea than they do in Europe or in the US. Chances are high for kespa if this comes to court. | ||
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Gregsen
Germany667 Posts
On September 01 2010 03:42 WECKL wrote: its quiet simple. there are 12 pages of angry old bw-farts complaining and shouting about how good things used to be and how everything in the present sucks (incl. myself). thats the way it is, every single time something new comes around. but no one really cares. a lot>few. ^_^ I like it when newbies with 2 posts talk about old bw-farts. Don't you have anything useful to say? | ||
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Immersion_
United Kingdom794 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On September 01 2010 03:30 Skillz_Man wrote: I'm expecting some death threats towards the Blizz and Activision staff :/... And with all honesty, stopping a huge corporation is pretty much impossible. TL Terrorist group would probably be the most effective way to stop Blizzard killing the BW scene. After all, some things are just worth fighting for. yeah but Kespa is also a huge corporation mah friend | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4215 Posts
On September 01 2010 03:23 Kot wrote: rofl why would you put 600 diamond here in your post what does it have to do with the thread at all? I thought it was funny lol. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On September 01 2010 04:00 Gregsen wrote: I like it when newbies with 2 posts talk about old bw-farts. Don't you have anything useful to say? Why are you even care? They will never understand "how good things used to be and how everything in the present sucks". The other thing. KESPA were scumbags, we all know that. Blizzard WAS a great company. We also know that. But we know the one, who will lose the most are not only KESPA, but the true BW fans as well. And Activition Lulzzard knows that well. They target not the KESPA itself, but the BW fanbase that must die to let SC2 rise to power. Noone really care about KESPA, noone really care about legal issues. They care only about those BW leagues that slows down SC2 popularity to flood the Korea. They dont fucking care that without Koreans and there leagues, and progamers SC:BW would have been forbiden long ago with all old RTS like Total Anihilation, Red Alert 2 or KKND2. | ||
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
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gaggar
Canada118 Posts
Kespa is essentially holding those players as hostage and god knows how they've been spending the money they robbed off of OGN and MBCgames. Just looking at any random star league thread on any of the forums in Korea, such as fomos, ruliweb, playxp, and DCinside, all the posts are directed at Kespa and how angry and frustrated people are with Kespa. They are truly the cancer of this current problem. Kespa is in no way possess a shred of concern for SC1 pro scene. They're just acting like a bitch after losing their milk cow. That's all. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
Let's face it, I love BW, but it's already 12 years old. This is the greatest RTS, but it's 12 years old. How many competitive games can claim such a long lifetime? This is quite a big achievement but at the same time the bizness needs to evolve toward present-day entertainment which means sc2 along with it's "social" features, Facebook integration, realID, etc.. Activision Blizzard chose to support esports, and do it through sc2. I don't see an objective reason why we should blame them. Living in the past is never a good decision on the long term. Pushing esports to mainstream requires sacrifices, although we know who the pioneers are. Anyway the show must go on, Sc2 is stilll young and got so much potential, oh and by the way ![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img62/6163/sc2g.png) | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On September 01 2010 04:18 gaggar wrote: Koreans are NOT in favor of Kespa in a slightest sense. Most Koreans including myself are with Blizzard and we want this thing sorted out with Blizzard at the helm, not Kespa. Kespa is essentially holding those players as hostage and god knows how they've been spending the money they robbed off of OGN and MBCgames. Just looking at any random star league thread on any of the forums in Korea, such as fomos, ruliweb, playxp, and DCinside, all the posts are directed at Kespa and how angry and frustrated people are with Kespa. They are truly the cancer of this current problem. Kespa is in no way possess a shred of concern for SC1 pro scene. They're just acting like a bitch after losing their milk cow. That's all. So I only hope you Koreans know what are you doing Just wish you not to make mistake with this, as I really feel that BW is now under direct threat of being wiped out due to letting SC2 take a lead. I really hope I'm wrong with this feeling...I want all the things I said to be a total bullshit. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On September 01 2010 04:18 gaggar wrote: Koreans are NOT in favor of Kespa in a slightest sense. Most Koreans including myself are with Blizzard and we want this thing sorted out with Blizzard at the helm, not Kespa. Kespa is essentially holding those players as hostage and god knows how they've been spending the money they robbed off of OGN and MBCgames. Just looking at any random star league thread on any of the forums in Korea, such as fomos, ruliweb, playxp, and DCinside, all the posts are directed at Kespa and how angry and frustrated people are with Kespa. They are truly the cancer of this current problem. Kespa is in no way possess a shred of concern for SC1 pro scene. They're just acting like a bitch after losing their milk cow. That's all. Don't speak for the majority....  Also blizzard is much more greedy and detrimental to esports, kespa has grown esports in korea. | ||
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ichimarugin680
United States182 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On September 01 2010 04:00 Gregsen wrote: I like it when newbies with 2 posts talk about old bw-farts. Don't you have anything useful to say? | ||
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On September 01 2010 04:35 robertdinh wrote: Don't speak for the majority.... Also blizzard is much more greedy and detrimental to esports, kespa has grown esports in korea. yeah a poll please...with milkis backing you so we know you are not making it up | ||
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