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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On September 01 2010 04:47 ichimarugin680 wrote: Jd playing sc2 = dream come true Unfortunately, I don't think it'd be as great as you think. All the tiny things that all add up to make JD and Flash the best of the best simply aren't there in SC2. I'm sure SC2 hasn't reached its full potential yet, but honestly I think JD and Flash are way above the SC2 skillcap. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On September 01 2010 04:58 mierin wrote: Unfortunately, I don't think it'd be as great as you think. All the tiny things that all add up to make JD and Flash the best of the best simply aren't there in BW. I'm sure SC2 hasn't reached its full potential yet, but honestly I think JD and Flash are way above the SC2 skillcap. And these players are in the process of getting burned out or allready are burnouts. I doubt they will keep up at the top for much longer if they have to learn a new game. The heroes of sc2 will be young B-teamers that switch over or new faces. | ||
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butter
United States785 Posts
On September 01 2010 03:44 Teddyman wrote: KeSPA should have approached Blizzard in the early 2000s and gotten a permanent license for BW. It boggles my mind how an organization can operate for years without making sure they have solid legal ground. They're lucky to not get sued for royalties retroactively for the length of their whole existence. Blizzard aren't stupid. They wouldn't have ever given away infinite upside for a dollar. (How do you think they manage to retain so much independence despite being owned by a series of greedy publishers?) If OGN had gone to them for a license and Blizzard demanded a million hojillion dollars, what do you think would've happened? Look how careful they are to demand one-year contracts now. Gom is willing to be their lapdog because they have nothing otherwise, but OGN and MBC already had a good thing going for themselves. And as has been pointed out, the rights we are talking about aren't well established at all. Even Blizzard's blessing doesn't indemnify you against something like the Kespa/IEG rights fiasco... | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
Maybe they're offering a discount for offering to host an SC2 league as well? | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On September 01 2010 05:08 Woony wrote: And these players are in the process of getting burned out or allready are burnouts. I doubt they will keep up at the top for much longer if they have to learn a new game. The heroes of sc2 will be young B-teamers that switch over or new faces. I don't know if I should take you seriously or not because what you just said is retarded. Besides, the current heroes of SC2 are the old players from BW. (IntotheRainbow, Idra, Tester) Editted for correctness. | ||
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Teddyman
Finland362 Posts
On September 01 2010 05:25 butterbrain wrote: Blizzard aren't stupid. They wouldn't have ever given away infinite upside for a dollar. (How do you think they manage to retain so much independence despite being owned by a series of greedy publishers?) If OGN had gone to them for a license and Blizzard demanded a million hojillion dollars, what do you think would've happened? Look how careful they are to demand one-year contracts now. Gom is willing to be their lapdog because they have nothing otherwise, but OGN and MBC already had a good thing going for themselves. And as has been pointed out, the rights we are talking about aren't well established at all. Even Blizzard's blessing doesn't indemnify you against something like the Kespa/IEG rights fiasco... So the logic is "we really need a license for this, but it might cost a lot, so let's just run it without one"? If it's not clear whether they need a license, then why did OGN already get one? | ||
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butter
United States785 Posts
On September 01 2010 05:28 ghrur wrote: I don't know if I should take you seriously or not because what you just said is retarded. Besides, the current heroes of SC2 are the old heroes of BW. (IntotheRainbow, Idra, Tester) Haha, I love this. Tester, the old hero of BW. Oh man... Edit: I didn't mean this to sound unfair to Tester  But you know who else is an old hero of BW? ZERGBONG. | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
On September 01 2010 04:25 AlBundy wrote: I'm willing to give Flash all the money on my account (50$) if he switches to sc2. Let's face it, I love BW, but it's already 12 years old. This is the greatest RTS, but it's 12 years old. How many competitive games can claim such a long lifetime? This is quite a big achievement but at the same time the bizness needs to evolve toward present-day entertainment which means sc2 along with it's "social" features, Facebook integration, realID, etc.. Activision Blizzard chose to support esports, and do it through sc2. I don't see an objective reason why we should blame them. Living in the past is never a good decision on the long term. Pushing esports to mainstream requires sacrifices, although we know who the pioneers are. Anyway the show must go on, Sc2 is stilll young and got so much potential, oh and by the way ![[image loading]](http://a.imageshack.us/img62/6163/sc2g.png) I was waiting for the "Nah, just kidding. BW forever"-line, but it never came. It's a 12 year old game, and that's just fine by me. People still play Super Street Fighter II and Street Fighter 3 - Third strike. Both games are 10+ years old and kick newer SF games in the ass. SF4 can't hold a candle to Third Strike, proving that newer is not always better. As for SC2, it's there. I only care about it slightly because of it's relationship to BW, I don't care much about Blizzard and their plans. I'm sure they'll turn EA and become the next anti-christ. Sad to see negotiations going sour. MSL is an awesome tournament and it would be really sad to see it go. Hopefully we can have at least one more. | ||
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Trap
United States395 Posts
I don't know about Koreans, but I like watching BW because I know the players faces, their histories, and their styles. Not only that, it's a tradition that's been built from legendary players like Boxer, with team legacies and rivalries. I have no attachment to watching a GSL with a bunch of players who weren't skilled enough to play proleague BW. Well, except that Tasteless is casting. Just thinking about Flash's brilliant mm control, macro, and timings being used on marauders makes me sad. It will be like watching Michael Jordan playing baseball. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On September 01 2010 05:32 butterbrain wrote: Haha, I love this. Tester, the old hero of BW. Oh man... Edit: I didn't mean this to sound unfair to Tester But you know who else is an old hero of BW? ZERGBONG. Lol, okay, okay. Not heroes. Players. My bad. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 31 2010 23:31 ataryens wrote: I disagree, if B happens, thats alot of bad poblicity, Im not a huge BW fan and I will stop buying their shit. (doenst help that sc2 was a big fail for me) I was only talking about the short-term fiscal perspective (not the long-term fanbase for future games). From my other post on page 3: On August 31 2010 21:35 moopie wrote: They do for the short term definitely, its unknown if this matter will be beneficial to them in the long run if worse comes to worst. If BW dies, it potentially bodes well for SC2 (as stated earlier), though it depends on how netizens take the news and how much blame blame Blizzard takes for the whole debacle. I expect that the fall of KeSPA and death of BW by a foreign entity won't bode well with national pride and a decade of devotion to esports. Its largly because of the Korean esports scene that BW ever got that big (competitively), and in return the fact that SC2 is as popular as it is today. | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
 BoxeR to Flash | ||
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Xunaka
United States43 Posts
Whats going on is a power struggle between 2 companies nothing more or less, Blizzard wants SC2 to take off in Korea, why wouldn't they its a new product they put effort money and time into.. Kespa will lose their totalitarian control over the SC progame scene if this happens. I'd say that saying SC2 is rejected by Korea is simply an opinion, since kespa has done everything in their power to prevent SC2 from taking fruition not the korean pro gamers, since we clearly saw Nada playing SC2 but kespa put a stop to that via a phone call | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
they are doing their damnest to ruin my favorite game. WHYYY i am already boycotting sc2 for other reasons.. but now i must boycott d3 if they fuck up my favorite e-sports scene. FUCK THEM! | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
On September 01 2010 06:22 Garaman wrote: FUCKING activision BLIZZard they are doing their damnest to ruin my favorite game. WHYYY i am already boycotting sc2 for other reasons.. but now i must boycott d3 if they fuck up my favorite e-sports scene. FUCK THEM! ruin it? lol. | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
On September 01 2010 05:43 Trap wrote: If BW ends I suspect a lot of the elder generation who already made it semi-far will not switch to SC2 as players. JD was seriously considering retiring last year after the free agent debacle, even though he was the #1 player at the time (and still is at least #2 player after a successful year of 1 gold, 2 silvers). Maybe Flash would switch over, but the majority of SC2 players would be those young b-teamers who never got a good shot at Proleague but still have the mechanics and drive to play SC2. Even a unaccomplished but skillful sea.Really said he was going to retire once BW ended. I don't know about Koreans, but I like watching BW because I know the players faces, their histories, and their styles. Not only that, it's a tradition that's been built from legendary players like Boxer, with team legacies and rivalries. I have no attachment to watching a GSL with a bunch of players who weren't skilled enough to play proleague BW. Well, except that Tasteless is casting. Just thinking about Flash's brilliant mm control, macro, and timings being used on marauders makes me sad. It will be like watching Michael Jordan playing baseball. i love your elegantly worded post. it says everything i think of the beauty of sc : bw ugh dont fuck up bw pro scene. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
On September 01 2010 05:59 amazingoopah wrote: Well, if this is the death of the BW MSL at least the title history represents the legacy of BW: From BoxeR to FlashTerran OP. (I'm so gonna get banned for that) User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On September 01 2010 05:59 amazingoopah wrote: Well, if this is the death of the BW MSL at least the title history represents the legacy of BW: From BoxeR to FlashNot only that, but the first KPGA tour (original name for MSL) finals was BoxeR vs  YellOw, and the last MSL finals was Flash vs Jaedong. | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
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