EPT[Update p.28] Gretech - KeSPA/MBC negotiations break down…
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
Overall, I think Blizzard is being the total bitch here. They just came in when they saw a chance of profit with practically no chance of losing any profit. If all goes well, they'll make profit from BW and if it goes bad, then the BW scene will die which does not matter to blizzard in the financial standpoint because it wasn't generating them much money anyways. | ||
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l00l
179 Posts
On September 01 2010 09:05 MuffinDude wrote: I see many people blaming Kespa for the break down of GOM, but everyone has to know it wasn't Kespa who destroyed GOM. What happened was that by season 3, most teams didn't want their players wasting practice time into GOM. That is why half the teams pulled out of the GOM by the 3rd season. Kespa had nothing to do with it. Overall, I think Blizzard is being the total bitch here. They just came in when they saw a chance of profit with practically no chance of losing any profit. If all goes well, they'll make profit from BW and if it goes bad, then the BW scene will die which does not matter to blizzard in the financial standpoint because it wasn't generating them much money anyways. a company who took a risk 10 years ago and spent millions of dollars on a video game that had very little chance to actually become successful wants to get their part of the money that they deserve from a company that paid around $100,000 on camera's and commentators and made just as much? yeah, blizzards being the "bitch" right? | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On September 01 2010 09:06 l00l wrote: a company who took a risk 10 years ago and spent millions of dollars on a video game that had very little chance to actually become successful wants to get their part of the money that they deserve from a company that paid around $100,000 on camera's and commentators and made just as much? yeah, blizzards being the "bitch" right? WTF are you saying? Diablo was successful way before SC and WC2 before that. They knew SC was going to be a hit. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 01 2010 09:06 l00l wrote: a company who took a risk 10 years ago and spent millions of dollars on a video game that had very little chance to actually become successful wants to get their part of the money that they deserve from a company that paid around $100,000 on camera's and commentators and made just as much? yeah, blizzards being the "bitch" right? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about on this issue (I'm not usually one to point out the 'post count' and 'registration date' thing, but if the shoe fits..). $100k? Each team sponsor shells out several times that on player salaries alone per year. Then you have a full time coaching staff, uniforms, computers, housing, food, transportation, etc. Running teams is hugely expensive. It's also because of KeSPA's map makers that SC is succeeding on a competitive level since Blizzard's maps were beyond terrible for any sort of balance (much like the SC2 ladder maps). esports developed due to hard work over a lot of years. Blizzard never attempted to develop a market anywhere else in the world, instead, they just saw what Korea did and attempted to take it over. If Blizzard really cared about esports succeeding and being a global thing, how come we have yet to see any proleagues or starleagues in the US or Europe? because that takes a lot of time and money, and has huge risks. You have to negotiate with players and find sponsors for teams, you have to find broadcasters who would guarentee standard airtime, you have to find sponsors who would shell out big $$$ for leagues, etc. Any one of those things goes wrong and you're out a huge investment. So rather than try any of that, they just said "fuck it, lets take over Korea's market". If it works, they make money, if it doesn't they don't give a shit about killing off KeSPA's progress. Then again, I don't know why I'm bothering to explain this if you won't even take a few minutes to educate yourself. | ||
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Woosung
65 Posts
 Blizzard spent millions of dollars on a video game, yes. Blizzard also charged a "standard price" for every sold copy of the game, and thus, they should've made enough money on Starcraft already. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
as someone said, worst comes to worst, Gretech can sue and force KeSPA to shut down at which point the teams will also disband. but... its probably going to damage the image of Blizz/Gretech more than it helps them in profit. imo, Gretech/Blizzard is just too greedy. if all they wanted was recognition of their IP rights, they could had asked for a small fee, say $50k USD per yr. but in reality, we know the amount they wanted was too shocking and Gretech admits that they dont want the figure to be public. | ||
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Bidouleroux
Canada24 Posts
KeSPA wants to continue making money off of Starcraft. Activision Blizzard says they can't without licensing it. KeSPA says fuck off we're Koreans, Starcraft is Korean we invented it (like they did Kumdo, etc.). Activision Blizzard says alright then here is Starcraft 2, that shut you right up biatch? KeSPA is like, we don't need no SC2 because all progamers have sold their souls to us, that is the Korean way of job "security". Then KeSPA loses because the U.S. government threatens to put South Korea on the "piracy priority watchlist" for pirating Starcraft and all MMORPGs ever made. User was warned for this post | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
we've been thru this many times, KeSPA is non-profit. i think blizz will have a tough time challenging KeSPA even in the USA courts due to prior rulings on usage of games in competition play. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
I'm also curious as to where people get the idea that Sponsors (the team owners) would make any less money from exposure with Gretech and now OGN than they have with KeSPA. Really from a Sponsor point of view, what does it matter who runs things as long as it's run well and your name gets out? Or is it really just for "non-profit" control over Korean eSports? | ||
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dagene
United States75 Posts
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On September 01 2010 10:00 xBillehx wrote: I'm curious as to why many people think OGN was "forced" into agreeing with Gretech. Is there some official OGN statement saying they had no choice? Was there really NO ONE in OGN who thought it was a good idea for the future of eSports and their broadcasting channel? Or is all that just speculation? (Serious question, maybe I missed a big thread about the issue.) I'm also curious as to where people get the idea that Sponsors (the team owners) would make any less money from exposure with Gretech and now OGN than they have with KeSPA. Really from a Sponsor point of view, what does it matter who runs things as long as it's run well and your name gets out? Or is it really just for "non-profit" control over Korean eSports? Well, Korean air which sponsored the last OSL wanted to deal with Blizzard, so OGN dealt with Blizzard. OGN will need to get a new license for the next OSL. If korean air doesn't sponsor it, don't expect OGN to negotiate. | ||
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Teddyman
Finland362 Posts
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Bidouleroux
Canada24 Posts
On September 01 2010 10:10 Teddyman wrote: Most people don't know what non-profit means. The difference is, instead of being paid out to shareholders, money left over after expenses must be invested back in the organization. They can still have a board set by the corporate sponsors that mainly protects those interests. Exactly. Non-profit or not, you can't make money by infringing on someone else's property. | ||
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PulseNova
Australia29 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On August 31 2010 23:14 alffla wrote:  ..if bw dies.... what would i come to tl for :\ My thoughts exactly. Fuck this. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On September 01 2010 10:19 Bidouleroux wrote: Exactly. Non-profit or not, you can't make money by infringing on someone else's property. its not quite clear at this moment whether what KeSPA did constitute infringing Blizz's IP. as I said, there was a case in the US courts and the court sided in favor of the competition's organizer over the objection of the game maker. | ||
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aru
183 Posts
On September 01 2010 10:00 xBillehx wrote: I'm curious as to why many people think OGN was "forced" into agreeing with Gretech. Is there some official OGN statement saying they had no choice? Was there really NO ONE in OGN who thought it was a good idea for the future of eSports and their broadcasting channel? Or is all that just speculation? (Serious question, maybe I missed a big thread about the issue.) I'm also curious as to where people get the idea that Sponsors (the team owners) would make any less money from exposure with Gretech and now OGN than they have with KeSPA. Really from a Sponsor point of view, what does it matter who runs things as long as it's run well and your name gets out? Or is it really just for "non-profit" control over Korean eSports? Kespa has proleague and Gretech doesn't. When you think of individual league winners, you don't think <TEAMNAME> <PLAYER> won, but when you think of proleague, it's the team that won. The sponsors make up the majority of the KeSPA board members. They obviously care who runs things. On September 01 2010 10:19 Bidouleroux wrote: Exactly. Non-profit or not, you can't make money by infringing on someone else's property. They did it for the past 10 years that Blizzard left them alone for. | ||
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
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