EPTMohammed Ali vs Bruce Lee - Page 13
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On May 28 2004 21:39 FHM wrote: silly child.. you think they just chose bruce lee off the streets and asked him if he knew martial arts? wrongo... same with jackie chan and jet li, they all accomplished something in china before making to movies, jackie chan was a martial arts champion at the age of 14... jet li is a former shaolin monk, the shaolin that has been round and fighting for a few centuries now and bruce lee is .... well bruce lee is bruce lee =] Jet Li is not a shaolin monk. Shaolin and reality based fighting is no longer, after it was burnt down during the cultural revolution all non show wushu (martial arts) were banned for a very long time. Jet Li did win the chinese Wushu championships 4 consecutive years (maybe 5) at age 10 to 14 (or 15). He also won some international one (that's the one at age 15 I think-_-~). Wushu Talou championships has nothing to do with fighting - it's forms -- Wushu Sanshou championships were not around then, they are very much similiar to amateur boxing. | ||
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On May 28 2004 21:54 FHM wrote: jet li was a shaolin monk and jackie chan is a former martial arts champion and whoever wrote that biography on him is bs... because even in tv and magazine interviews he said hes been in more than 1 fight.. its true that he went to the art school but if you've ever read a maxim magazine, he is in one of them talking about a random fight that he had just because she looked at some guys motorcycle You are stupid. http://www.jetli.com Read his biography and STFU up. It's written by him too :[ | ||
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On May 28 2004 22:41 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: wasnt that one of those fake wrestling matches and shit? i just dont think ali was as skilled, or even as physically strong or fast as bruce lee. bruce lee wasnt 135 like u nerds r... he was ridiculous. and ali wasnt that amazing at anything besides boxing, and bruce lee put his life into his body being effective for fighting as well as his mind.. ali just fucking sparred and punched shit and skipped rope and whatnot 10hrs a day or whatever when he had a fight coming up. bruce lee was always working out while he read stuff and while he watched tv, he was always exercising at the same time, it's ridicluouzz. bruce lee would lose in a boxing match and a kickboxing match i agree, but a street fight bruce lee would break ali's knees and stomp his nuts so wtf It was a real fight. Boxing is one of the hardest training regimes you will ever find, and one of the best. Bruce Lee was half his size, Bruce Lee couldn't deal with adrenaline in the same way. Bruce Lee didn't spar without protective gear - UNLIKE ALI. Die. | ||
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On May 28 2004 23:51 soundwave wrote: no but it just happens that Chuck Norris' sensei, master, teacher or whatever you wanna call it, was Bruce Lee. and not only Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee taught every single martial art star of the mid 60's early 70's, who all agree they've never seen anyone fight like Lee did. shit man give it up martial arts master > all Benny "The Jet" Urquidez, I am pretty sure Bruce didn't teach him  Then there's thai boxers (And before you get started, Bruce Lee would have gotten slaughtered vs a lot of them  ), Gene LeBell (Who btw said "If you dont have anything nice to say about a person, dont say it"-> About Bruce Lee's grappling ability). We have the japanese, however at the time they were pretty weak, with the enforced softening down in their arts (by the americans) -_- We have the Gracies in Brazil, judo-ka's and boxers. Kali practicioners etc etc --They are martial arts stars, just because they weren't in the movies doesn't make them bad. | ||
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On May 29 2004 00:02 Mandalor wrote: rofl what a stupid thread... ali was into BOXING - Lee into karate or whatever that's like comparing lee with duke nukem: "hey lee is a good fighter, but duke has this heavy mashine gun!!" ^______^; Good comparission! Same results would occur in both cases so it's great :O | ||
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Just know that any of u haters need to shut the fuck up cuz u can't decipher the pros & cons of each technique. And F.A .... u don't know anything about Lee's adrenaline. Not to say ur wrong, but just don't generalize. Don't you see that this topic is worhtless? A topic about two different types of arts is fucking wortless. | ||
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On May 29 2004 00:29 amat wrote: Added that for emphasis... It's one of the major reasons he is so overrated; every azn is in love with the little guy that can take on big mean Americans. From the Joe Lewis interview at that devinewind site: "Bruce was not a fighter. He was an actor and a teacher. He was a great teacher." I suggest if they want someone to love, look at Kazushi Sakuraba ^_^; Constantly fighting above his weight and winning! | ||
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On May 29 2004 00:32 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Actually I'd have to say it depends on the rules. If killing/permanent damage is out of the question, I'd give favor to Ali, simply because his size/reach. However, if its no holds barred, then Lee hands down. Ali was fast, yes, but he didn't have the same kind of quickness that Lee did; and when it comes to killing another man, quickness and power (and knowledge of pressure points/disabling moves) beats strength and speed. Plus while Ali no doubt had a lot of stamina, I'd warrant Bruce had more just on account of his tremendous conditioning. Worst case scenario he could wear Ali down some by simple evasion, to the point he could find an opening. Just my 2 cents. Lee was malnutritioned - he lost weight because he pushed himself too hard, he didn't rest enough etc -_- Ali no doubt have had plenty of streetfights as well. Pressure points are bull! | ||
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On May 29 2004 00:40 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: Holy Crap... I just read some of the "Feats" Section on that Bruce Lee site. *Striking speed from 3ft. away five-hundredths of a second* *threw grains of rice in the air and caught them w/ chopsticks* *could jab his fingers through an unopened soda can (when the cans were made of steel)* *exploded 100lb punching bags with his sidekick* did push ups on his thumbs, then w/ 250lbs on his back, then would move on to his other exercises.* *held 120lb barbell out horizontally in front of him for 20 seconds when he himself weighed in barely over 130.* *other crazy shit nobody else could do* =O You believe in the illuminati as well? | ||
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On May 29 2004 00:51 hk[hanbyul] wrote: newbsaibot he meant his side kick can knock a guy 10 feet across..oh by the way his 1 inch punch can knock a guy 5 feet away..so hmm his kick would be pretty good i think...just thinking. I have seen his 1 inch punch. It made the guy fall back into his chair which was right behind him. | ||
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On May 29 2004 01:09 hk[hanbyul] wrote: well since size is so important i guess i can kick bruce lee's ass easily..i mean im 5'11 and my arms and legs are much longer. I clearly have the reach over bruce. I dont believe he's strong also he only looks cut because of camera angles, i mean what does he know he probably paid movie stars to pretend to train with him. Are you a worldclass boxer? No? THEN STFU. | ||
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On May 29 2004 01:44 Kindum_cn wrote: Alot of interesting things said here, seems quite heated already  Anyway, I thought it was a given that the fight would be basically nothing held back. Each fighter could use whatever technique he wishes, simply because Lee isn't a boxer. It's not just comparing the two fighters, but also their styles; the level each of them perform these styles just adds to the comparison. These two were both fighters, afterall, just with their own techniques, and they both were considered the best of their type, so it would, indeed, be interesting to pit two such people in a fight :D Yes it would be interesting if they were the same weight and height (or at least remotely the same) Bruce Lee was an AWESOME Welter weighter/fly/light! Not a heavy weighter, come on people -_- They have weight classes in UFC/PRide/Pancrase/Shooto for a reason! They split K-1 into K-1 and K-1 max for a reason too -_- | ||
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On May 29 2004 02:15 hN)fighter wrote: ali is quick but bruce is quicker and kicks.. allowing him to disable ali and bring him to the ground Rickson Gracie (never beaten) Vs Bruce Lee <- fight id like to see i think Rickson would win. Bruce was hands/feet, he has good ground skills but rickson is just too good on the ground as hes shown. bruce only won through spin kicks etc because he wasnt fighting grapplers or jui jitsu fighters like rickson. Sakuraba vs Rickson is what I want to see :/ Lee would not have any chance whatsoever :O | ||
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On May 29 2004 03:09 Zerius wrote: I dont mean to generalize, Im just skimming through the posts and notice a few names consistantly coming up, of those, hes the only guy using rational explanations of why X fighter would win. The Lee supporters seem to think he would win because he could actch grains of sand with chopsticks, and kick people across a room, which is just hilariously false. I havent seen any of your responses to this thread, so your sanity is still under review. Ill get back to you in a few minutes with the verdict. What? I am not?  I'm hurt  | ||
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