Mohammed Ali vs Bruce Lee

On May 28 2004 16:37 sexybeast wrote:


dumbest shit i've ever read.

On May 28 2004 16:38 Casper... wrote:
i never said ali would break lee
i said lee could never successfully attack ali
although he could try
ali would get the better of the two in that scenario

On May 28 2004 17:04 ShOoTiNg_SpElLs wrote:
Bruce Lee, Ali wouldn't even be able to hit him, Bruce Lee once threw grains of sand in the air and caught them w/ his chopsticks (i think)

http://www.mikementzer.com/blee.html

or sending individuals (who outweighed him by as much as 100 pounds in some instances) flying through the air and landing some 15 feet away as a result of a punch that Lee delivered from only one-inch away

On May 28 2004 17:04 ShOoTiNg_SpElLs wrote:
Bruce Lee, Ali wouldn't even be able to hit him, Bruce Lee once threw grains of sand in the air and caught them w/ his chopsticks (i think)

http://www.mikementzer.com/blee.html

On May 28 2004 17:45 NewbSaibot wrote:
you know, im starting to think ali would win. Because he has actual real world experience in fighting. Bruce lee might have been a genius when it comes to self-defense, but that doesnt mean he applied it all the time. When you get into a fight its very hard to keep your mind from being flustered and not shocked by the idea of another human hitting you. Getting hit in the face can be very distressing, and ali was used to this day in day out. Lee was not. How often do you think someone got to just wail a full 300-lb/force hook into lee's face? That, and the fact of what really happens in a fight. Usually end up on the ground, and ali is just too heavy and large to struggle with. Lee's only hope would be essentially to get a power kick directly to the head, with a major heigth disadvantage. He was fast and all, but if he misses, it could be over.

Btw, dont listen to all this bullshit i skimmed over about lee kicking punching backs 20 feet into the ceiling and then exploding into a ball of fire. Or creating so much air compression with the velocity of his punch that a cylinder of air would knock someone down without him even touching you. This aint Super Street Fighter Turbo Xeon 4.6. Not even a manmade machine could do that to someone.

On May 28 2004 16:13 taeWook wrote:
I think it would be more even if you matched up bruce against jet li/donny yen/van damme/stallone/arnold at the same time.

On May 28 2004 16:34 0_0 wrote:
also, when Ali punches Lee could easily grab the punch and attack at the same time - defend and attack at the same time, from Wing Chun again.

edit: Basically I'm saying, more muscle mass doesn't mean better. Its like the big super buff body builder guys. Would they win a fight? Hell no, they get worn out way faster and are slow, someone like Lee would have WAY better stamina.

On May 28 2004 16:36 Tien wrote:
Superior mobility? Bruce lee studied Ali's video tapes INTENSELY and mimmicked his exact footwork. I would say both have equal footwork and mobility.

The disadvantage is in the fact that Ali has NO IDEA how to kick or receive a kick. HE HAS NEVER BEEN KICKED IN HIS LIFE! EVER! What makes you think Lee is gonna try and punch Ali??? Lee will kick the shit out of him

And you think Ali could break Lee easily? Have you read anything about Bruce Lee? I have studied both fighters intensively and lemme tell you, the more you educate yourself about Bruce lee, the more you are convinced he was way ahead of his time.

On May 28 2004 16:52 [pG]RaGe wrote:
Bruce Lee obviously, he's the greatest fighter of all time! Took on and almost killed 2 red sashes at one time. Ali would have a hard time even hitting Lee.

On May 28 2004 17:03 InToTheWannaB wrote:
I think in a ring, Ali Vs Lee would be a 100% different fight from Ali vs Lee in a street fight. I dont know much about lee as a fighter, but I know Ali. In the ring at his prime I'm fairly sure Ali would beat lee easy. If ali could block, and avoid lightning fast hooks from fraser. Then he could do the same for Lee kicks, and Lee punchs in all likelihood wont hurt Ali at all. It would only take one good shot to the head for Ali to KO lee also. In a street fight however where u can grapple, and snap each others arms. I put my money on the man who trained for that kinda fighting in Lee(I assuming Lee did train for fighting on the ground).

On May 28 2004 17:09 Eniram wrote:


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On May 28 2004 17:12 FBS1 wrote:
Very hard question.

Pretty sure a lot of people are uneducated about Bruce Lee other than the films he made and therefore jump to the conclusion he could easily beat the quickest and greatest heavyweight champion of all time.

To be honest I don't know Other than in a ring where I'd go for Ali. Bruce never weighed more than 143 pounds. Height and weight especially are big advantages. On top of that experience in the ring, afaik Bruce never fought any competitive martial arts bouts.

On May 28 2004 17:48 ZeItL wrote:
Bruce Lee had a well known Wing Chun Teacher back then called Yip Man.
Among other things he teached him "Chi Sao", a technique to feel the direction of ur enemy's force and direct it away from urself.
So you push your body away from the punch and use your opponent's power for yourself.
It's hard to describe or understand but skilled people can do this even blind.
Power is nothing without control.

On May 28 2004 17:49 0_0 wrote:


I thought there was something about chi that allowed you to punch people down without touching them - close distance of course, not that it'd really matter since if you hit them that hard they'd prolly keel over anyways =/.

On May 28 2004 17:54 0_0 wrote:
In confined space its possible that Ali using his superior size may win, but otherwise I doubt it. Also Frozenarbiter, I think Lee was being modest when he said that, I mean who would say I am the greatest?(other than Ali t_t).

On May 28 2004 18:07 ZeItL wrote:
Depends on the people you talk to I guess

On May 28 2004 18:09 GoSexyPerli wrote:
i hate to say it, but Bruce lee would win.

On May 28 2004 16:12 sKy.Fennix wrote:
Tien, agreed. Jeet Kun Do is roughly based on kicks to the groin, finger jabs and slaps to the ear.

sooo effective in self-defence.
gogo Bruce!

On May 28 2004 16:25 Tien wrote:
Again, Ali doesnt know how to kick at all, and he doesnt know what its like to be kick, or how to defend vs a kick. Bruce Lee instructed Joe Lewis, the man voted the greatest fighter on earth, the man that won entire competitions using ONLY his powerful sidekick, the same sidekick Bruce Lee was showing him how to perform flawlessly. No one can doubt the power of Bruce Lee's sidekick that is known to break apart countless of punching bags. He sent a 100 pound punching bag to the ceiling, I dont think Ali could do that with his jabs.

Bruce was just as fast, if not FASTER than Ali. Bruce Lee even spent HOURS watching and mimmicking Ali's footwork and speed with outstanding success. Bruce Lee knows EXACTLY how fight Ali. The use of lighting quick and powerful kicks is not something Ali is used to receiving.

On May 28 2004 19:31 Niza wrote:
white ppl r dumb, all they know is about size, size does not matter when it comes to martial arts. the bigger u r the harder u fall. ali is too slow, speed>strength. use ur brain dumb ass crackers

[EDIT: Try to be nice. Thx. - mensrea]

Hell no, they [large muscle bound men] get worn out way faster and are slow, someone like Lee would have WAY better stamina

On May 28 2004 19:59 DickDodgers wrote: Ali has weight, strength and size over him. A 140 lb man cannot beat the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time. Get real.

On May 28 2004 20:50 kewlsunman wrote:


Also, about the whole thing that Bruce would get his head punched off. Though I cannot prove or cite evidence for it myself, there is good evidence to suggest that with enough of certain martial art training, one could withstand the force of a lead pipe to the head at above average swinging velocity with minimal damage.

-ksm

On May 28 2004 17:03 InToTheWannaB wrote:
I think in a ring, Ali Vs Lee would be a 100% different fight from Ali vs Lee in a street fight. I dont know much about lee as a fighter, but I know Ali. In the ring at his prime I'm fairly sure Ali would beat lee easy. If ali could block, and avoid lightning fast hooks from fraser. Then he could do the same for Lee kicks, and Lee punchs in all likelihood wont hurt Ali at all. It would only take one good shot to the head for Ali to KO lee also. In a street fight however where u can grapple, and snap each others arms. I put my money on the man who trained for that kinda fighting in Lee(I assuming Lee did train for fighting on the ground).

On May 28 2004 17:50 FrozenArbiter wrote:
~Lee said himself that he probably would lose +_+~
+ Lee wasn't that great of a fighter -_-~ Someone on another forum - very knowledgable character, said that Lee barely ever won any of his fights in china town +_+

Then there's size!

ok it was a movie, but it's a demonstration on how a shorter thiner lighter dude can beat a bigger one.

On May 28 2004 20:41 Zerius wrote:
Anyone who says that Bruce Lee can beat Muhammad Ali knowns absolutely nothing about fighting, or about Lee or Ali.

Muhammad Ali was 6'3 and about 215 pounds in his prime. Bruce Lee was 5'6 and about 130 pounds. Ali has 80-90 pound advantage, and fights for a living. Not only that, but he was quite possibly the best heavyweight boxer ever. Lee, while a great martial artist, and ACTOR, was never in any sort of competitions, just bullshit rumours and street fights as a teenager.

If this was in a boxing ring, Muhammad Ali would jab Bruce's head off in 3 rounds or less. If this was in the streets, Lee might fare SLIGHTLY better, but there is no way he is gonna take down a man twice his size who knows how to fight at a world class level.

I would put money on Ali even if Bruce Lee had a blunt weapon, like a pipe or a 2 by 4. Bruce Lee would need a fucking sword to beat Ali, sorry.

On May 28 2004 21:48 NewbSaibot wrote:
Um, i am very aware of jackie chans history, and no part of it includes him being a martial arts champion. In fact, i believe in his auto-biography he states that in his entire life, he has only been in ONE fight, that involved him and some friends in their teens picking on some bar guys who pissed them off.

Jackie Chan's training school of which was also his home is what introduced him into film. The schools purpose were to create live martial arts 'plays' (called the Peking opera) in which talent scounts would request students of the school to participate in movies from time to time. After he 'graduated' and was on his own, he got himself behind the scenes in films given his prior connections.

I know nothing about Jet Li but i imagine his journey to fame was similar. People are quite literally just spotted on the streets at times and take off from there.

And bruce i know even less about.

On May 28 2004 20:52 Zerius wrote:
Also, Tien you are motherfucking retarded and know nothing about anything.

"ALI AHS NEVER BEEN KICKED EVER IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE?!?!" to roughly quote your inane babble. This is a false statement. Ali fought Antonio Inoki in 1976. All Inoki did was throw kicks at Ali. It was sort of an exhibition fight that was ruled a 15 round draw at the end, but this isnt important. What is important is that it is now obvious that you have no facts about anything and can feel free to shut the fuck anytime.

On May 28 2004 23:27 tAi wrote:
trying to argue about it is dumb... its like saying what's the better gender, male or female. An impossible question to answer

On May 28 2004 21:47 [pG]Rekrul wrote:
ali would crush lee

no questions asked.

On May 28 2004 21:39 FHM wrote:
silly child.. you think they just chose bruce lee off the streets and asked him if he knew martial arts?

wrongo... same with jackie chan and jet li, they all accomplished something in china before making to movies, jackie chan was a martial arts champion at the age of 14... jet li is a former shaolin monk, the shaolin that has been round and fighting for a few centuries now and bruce lee is .... well bruce lee is bruce lee =]

On May 28 2004 23:37 Zerius wrote:

Bruce Lee has no tournament record, and never proved himself by fighting other martial artists like his contemporaries did (Chuck Norris, etc). He got known by teaching martial arts to foreigners, which included Hollywood actors. This led to his movie career, "silly child". Jackie Chan and Jet Li have nothing to do with this arguement.

On May 28 2004 23:34 amat wrote:
In the ring or a street fight Ali wins easy (a 140lb azn isn't touching a heavyweight champ).

However, in one of Lee's movies, Lee would win with a 1" 15 foot knock out punch, lol.

And females > males.

On May 28 2004 23:51 soundwave wrote:



no

but it just happens that Chuck Norris' sensei, master, teacher or whatever you wanna call it, was Bruce Lee.

and not only Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee taught every single martial art star of the mid 60's early 70's, who all agree they've never seen anyone fight like Lee did.

shit man give it up

martial arts master > all

On May 28 2004 23:59 FiGhtAsBlind wrote:


Why did you have to include "azn"? Isn't a 140lb man a 140lb man?"

On May 29 2004 00:02 Mandalor wrote:
rofl what a stupid thread...
ali was into BOXING - Lee into karate or whatever
that's like comparing lee with duke nukem: "hey lee is a good fighter, but duke has this heavy mashine gun!!"

On May 28 2004 23:59 FiGhtAsBlind wrote:


Why did you have to include "azn"? Isn't a 140lb man a 140lb man?"

On May 29 2004 00:29 amat wrote:


Added that for emphasis... It's one of the major reasons he is so overrated; every azn is in love with the little guy that can take on big mean Americans.

From the Joe Lewis interview at that devinewind site: "Bruce was not a fighter. He was an actor and a teacher. He was a great teacher."

On May 29 2004 00:39 NewbSaibot wrote:
One hit from Bruce, and youre fine. (In ALI's body that is).

solar..their not 100lbs bags..james coburn described it being 300lbs that came off its chain and flew 5 feet away with sand coming out of it ripping down the middle..

On May 28 2004 16:45 0_0 wrote:
Casper. Just because Ali is bigger doesn't fukin mean he's fuckin faster, it means he slower usually, consider how fast a 250lb man can move compared to a 150lb man? Even if its muscle it won't move as fast, it'll hurt more to get hit, but it won't be faster.

edit: Cuddly, Ali probably doesn't have the stamina? He's so big? Look at the big T1 fighter(wtfs his name?) he's wasted in like 5 minutes.

On May 29 2004 00:41 Hot_Bid wrote:
okay there are asians who are Americans, so lets not assume okay?

your rhetoric screams prejudice, it implies all asians are small (maybe in asia, but in America second and third generation not so) and that asians aren't americans. not all americans are white and large. not all asians or "azns" as you say are tiny and obsessed with their obvious "inferiority" as compared to big Americans, or wait, you mean white people.

i'm not calling you a racist but your statement was not without bias. simply denying and justifying it with your second post proves that.

On May 29 2004 01:34 hk[hanbyul] wrote:
newb..those things are not impossible it didnt happen, james coburn said it himself on bruce lee's biography.

On May 29 2004 01:37 Madox-101 wrote:
IF THIS IS A STREET FIGHT OR KICK BOXING MATCH BRUCE LEE WILL OWN ALI
IF THIS IS A NORMAL WITH REFEREE BOXING MATCH WHICH USES HANDS ONLY,THEN ALI WOULD WIN

On May 29 2004 01:08 NewbSaibot wrote:
Meh, people will believe what they want, even without evidence and when it not only defies all logic, defies pure and simple common sense. Yes, bruce lee juggled timber logs, flicked peoples heads off, stomped cracks into the pavement everywhere he went, shot lasers from his eyes and could move so fast his legs would actually travel back and forth through time kicking you your ass from the future and the past without you even knowing it.

On May 29 2004 00:41 NewbSaibot wrote:
Whoever thinks some random guy who can flex a good ripped torso on camera can walk up to a heavy weight champion of the world and just beat him up, is stupid.

On May 29 2004 00:39 NewbSaibot wrote:
Its really simple imo: One hit from ALI, youre done. One hit from Bruce, and youre fine. (In ALI's body that is). Talk about wearing someone out? ALI routinely fought upwards of 12 round matches, each consisting of 3 minutes i think.

On May 29 2004 01:08 NewbSaibot wrote:
Meh, people will believe what they want, even without evidence and when it not only defies all logic, defies pure and simple common sense. Yes, bruce lee juggled timber logs, flicked peoples heads off, stomped cracks into the pavement everywhere he went, shot lasers from his eyes and could move so fast his legs would actually travel back and forth through time kicking you your ass from the future and the past without you even knowing it.

On May 29 2004 02:26 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:


whoever thinks bruce lee is just "some random guy who can flex a good ripped torso on camera" IS A PIECE OF SHIT



shut the fuck up already and go read some shit about bruce lee, stop claiming they are just rumors you piece of shit troll. they are quoting this shit from sites and books, stop claiming they are rumors. if you want to discredit the sites and books then fine, but guess what, you havent done it, so ur just trolling.... or a real retard

On May 29 2004 02:29 travis wrote:
someone once asked ali this question
Ali answered, "If we were boxing, me. If we did kung fu, him."

pretty fucking simple

On May 28 2004 21:24 tossimeter wrote:
ali would win though.

http://www.myodynamics.com/articles/bruce.html <- very good article with good points!

On May 29 2004 03:22 Zerius wrote:
Its really simple. Lee Supporters, go download/buy/get somehow two Muhammad Ali fights. Muhammad Ali vs Cleveland Williams, and Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier 3. The former shows how absolutely incredible a fighter Ali was, and the latter shows that he might have been the toughest man alive.

On May 29 2004 03:20 Breeze wrote:
Too lazy to read all those pages, but what the hell... dwarf movie star vs huge legendary boxing champion, who would win I wonder?!?!?!?

On May 29 2004 03:53 kuwakJai wrote:


this thread is stupid because people w no knowledge comes and post studid shit about it.

take a look in the fucking mirror. then talk.

On May 29 2004 04:06 amat wrote:
kuwakjai is 130lbs of black belt asskickin powa, yo. He speak da tru. Ali and Tyson dead from 1 punch.

On May 29 2004 04:12 amat wrote:
Maybe if the battle ground is your "back yard".

On May 28 2004 19:31 Niza wrote:
white ppl r dumb, all they know is about size, size does not matter when it comes to martial arts. the bigger u r the harder u fall. ali is too slow, speed>strength. use ur brain dumb ass crackers

[EDIT: Try to be nice. Thx. - mensrea]

On May 28 2004 20:36 kewlsunman wrote:
It's interesting that there's so much discussion of physics in this debate. I think, however, the best case to be made for Bruce Lee is technique. Now, to be honest, I'm not particularly read up on either, so I can't definitely argue one way or the other, however, for those who are, I'd like to make a point about Bruce Lee which I think has been omitted so far: there is much more to a fight than physics.

For instance, there has been a lot of valid points made about distance, force, etc. But that's hardly what fighting is about. I mean, the argument so far has been that Ali was bigger. But, not to be stereotypical, it seems that that is a very Western response. If you ask anybody from the East to size up two guys, I'm not so sure they'd be so quick to identify the bigger guy as winning.

Eastern martial arts focus a lot on not simply physical conditioning, but also techniques, philosophy, aesthetics--none of which many of you will see any value in, but in fact decides a great deal. For instance, the Japanese art of Aikido, you are using the other person's force against them, right? Ali throws one giant punch at Lee, Lee takes that directional momentum and adds onto it by throwing him in the same direction and you Ali planted in the ground.

Maybe not so simple, but I suppose I'm saying, fighting isn't always --> <--. It's not always a duality. Sometimes by manipulating to be --> --> you can force one side to an extreme, throwing them off balance, etc.

For an easy to comprehend metaphor, it's like playing a BGH player. All he does is mass and send units right? Whereas you're microing, you're harassing, etc. It's very similar.

If this still isn't convincing enough, if you take a look at the UFC, there's a guy there called Tank, and basically he's just this huge guy who doesn't have any formal training but he just fights a lot. Well, there are matches where he's pitted against smaller guys and they just tear him up because they know what to do. Of course, that's much exaggerated because Tank is fat, slow, whereas Ali is slim, fast. But then again, his opponents are no Bruce Lee either.

-ksm

On May 28 2004 20:50 kewlsunman wrote:
By the way, another quick point, this one to deal with the physics. Force = mass x acceleration. If anyone's ever seen clips of Bruce Lee practicing, not even necessarily in the movies, if you don't believe those, but just messing around, demonstrations, whatever. You can tell that's he's fast. His acceleration must be incredible, the amount of force packed behind his punch may seriously knock Ali for a ride even if he's used to bigger people punch him.

http://davidlancashire.tripod.com/BruceLeefeats/feats.html:
"Bruce once caved in a protective headgear made from heavy steel rods, rods that had previousl withstood several blows from a sledge hammer"

Interesting read for anybody who's interested: http://www.wcats.com/LectureII.php

Also, about the whole thing that Bruce would get his head punched off. Though I cannot prove or cite evidence for it myself, there is good evidence to suggest that with enough of certain martial art training, one could withstand the force of a lead pipe to the head at above average swinging velocity with minimal damage.

-ksm

On May 28 2004 20:52 Zerius wrote:
Also, Tien you are motherfucking retarded and know nothing about anything.

"ALI AHS NEVER BEEN KICKED EVER IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE?!?!" to roughly quote your inane babble. This is a false statement. Ali fought Antonio Inoki in 1976. All Inoki did was throw kicks at Ali. It was sort of an exhibition fight that was ruled a 15 round draw at the end, but this isnt important. What is important is that it is now obvious that you have no facts about anything and can feel free to shut the fuck anytime.

On May 28 2004 21:26 soundwave wrote:
by the way i think lee would win.

check out the countless fights lee had vs bolo yeung (a huge sized maybe as big as ali). ok it was a movie, but it's a demonstration on how a shorter thiner lighter dude can beat a bigger one.

On May 28 2004 21:39 FHM wrote:
silly child.. you think they just chose bruce lee off the streets and asked him if he knew martial arts?

wrongo... same with jackie chan and jet li, they all accomplished something in china before making to movies, jackie chan was a martial arts champion at the age of 14... jet li is a former shaolin monk, the shaolin that has been round and fighting for a few centuries now and bruce lee is .... well bruce lee is bruce lee =]

On May 28 2004 21:54 FHM wrote:
jet li was a shaolin monk and jackie chan is a former martial arts champion and whoever wrote that biography on him is bs... because even in tv and magazine interviews he said hes been in more than 1 fight..

its true that he went to the art school but if you've ever read a maxim magazine, he is in one of them talking about a random fight that he had just because she looked at some guys motorcycle

On May 28 2004 22:41 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:


wasnt that one of those fake wrestling matches and shit?

i just dont think ali was as skilled, or even as physically strong or fast as bruce lee. bruce lee wasnt 135 like u nerds r... he was ridiculous. and ali wasnt that amazing at anything besides boxing, and bruce lee put his life into his body being effective for fighting as well as his mind.. ali just fucking sparred and punched shit and skipped rope and whatnot 10hrs a day or whatever when he had a fight coming up. bruce lee was always working out while he read stuff and while he watched tv, he was always exercising at the same time, it's ridicluouzz. bruce lee would lose in a boxing match and a kickboxing match i agree, but a street fight bruce lee would break ali's knees and stomp his nuts so wtf

On May 28 2004 23:51 soundwave wrote:



no

but it just happens that Chuck Norris' sensei, master, teacher or whatever you wanna call it, was Bruce Lee.

and not only Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee taught every single martial art star of the mid 60's early 70's, who all agree they've never seen anyone fight like Lee did.

shit man give it up

martial arts master > all

On May 29 2004 00:02 Mandalor wrote:
rofl what a stupid thread...
ali was into BOXING - Lee into karate or whatever
that's like comparing lee with duke nukem: "hey lee is a good fighter, but duke has this heavy mashine gun!!"

On May 29 2004 00:29 amat wrote:


Added that for emphasis... It's one of the major reasons he is so overrated; every azn is in love with the little guy that can take on big mean Americans.

From the Joe Lewis interview at that devinewind site: "Bruce was not a fighter. He was an actor and a teacher. He was a great teacher."

On May 29 2004 00:32 ObsoleteLogic wrote:
Actually I'd have to say it depends on the rules. If killing/permanent damage is out of the question, I'd give favor to Ali, simply because his size/reach.

However, if its no holds barred, then Lee hands down. Ali was fast, yes, but he didn't have the same kind of quickness that Lee did; and when it comes to killing another man, quickness and power (and knowledge of pressure points/disabling moves) beats strength and speed.

Plus while Ali no doubt had a lot of stamina, I'd warrant Bruce had more just on account of his tremendous conditioning. Worst case scenario he could wear Ali down some by simple evasion, to the point he could find an opening.

Just my 2 cents.

On May 29 2004 00:40 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
Holy Crap... I just read some of the "Feats" Section on that Bruce Lee site.
*Striking speed from 3ft. away five-hundredths of a second*
*threw grains of rice in the air and caught them w/ chopsticks*
*could jab his fingers through an unopened soda can (when the cans were made of steel)*
*exploded 100lb punching bags with his sidekick*
did push ups on his thumbs, then w/ 250lbs on his back, then would move on to his other exercises.*
*held 120lb barbell out horizontally in front of him for 20 seconds when he himself weighed in barely over 130.*
*other crazy shit nobody else could do* =O

On May 29 2004 00:51 hk[hanbyul] wrote:
newbsaibot he meant his side kick can knock a guy 10 feet across..oh by the way his 1 inch punch can knock a guy 5 feet away..so hmm his kick would be pretty good i think...just thinking.

On May 29 2004 01:09 hk[hanbyul] wrote:
well since size is so important i guess i can kick bruce lee's ass easily..i mean im 5'11 and my arms and legs are much longer. I clearly have the reach over bruce. I dont believe he's strong also he only looks cut because of camera angles, i mean what does he know he probably paid movie stars to pretend to train with him.

On May 29 2004 01:44 Kindum_cn wrote:
Alot of interesting things said here, seems quite heated already

Anyway, I thought it was a given that the fight would be basically nothing held back. Each fighter could use whatever technique he wishes, simply because Lee isn't a boxer. It's not just comparing the two fighters, but also their styles; the level each of them perform these styles just adds to the comparison.

These two were both fighters, afterall, just with their own techniques, and they both were considered the best of their type, so it would, indeed, be interesting to pit two such people in a fight :D

On May 29 2004 02:15 hN)fighter wrote:
ali is quick but bruce is quicker and kicks.. allowing him to disable ali and bring him to the ground

Rickson Gracie (never beaten) Vs Bruce Lee <- fight id like to see

i think Rickson would win. Bruce was hands/feet, he has good ground skills but rickson is just too good on the ground as hes shown. bruce only won through spin kicks etc because he wasnt fighting grapplers or jui jitsu fighters like rickson.

On May 29 2004 03:09 Zerius wrote:
I dont mean to generalize, Im just skimming through the posts and notice a few names consistantly coming up, of those, hes the only guy using rational explanations of why X fighter would win.

The Lee supporters seem to think he would win because he could actch grains of sand with chopsticks, and kick people across a room, which is just hilariously false.

I havent seen any of your responses to this thread, so your sanity is still under review. Ill get back to you in a few minutes with the verdict.

On May 29 2004 04:48 Countdown wrote:
I was watching those um karate clips or whatever that FA posted and it seemed in all of them, the only thing that happened was they both charged each other and tried to wrestle each other to the ground. Maybe if it were wrestling or Boxing, Ali would win, but other than that Lee would kill him

On May 29 2004 05:27 Dieplz wrote:
It amazes me how many retards there are in this forum, I mean I know your all newbs at broodwars or just come here hoping rekrul or leg will talk to you so you can feel good, pathetic fuckers, but this is so retarded for people to say ali would have any chance at all. I mean you all say ali was 6'3 some lied and said 6'5 like the retards they are.But anyways ali was 6'3 212-225 in his prime.Bruce lee was 5'7 with the arm reach of a 6" but to the idiots that think that would matter in a fight your crazy.Bruce lee was The best fighter to have ever lived.Ali was the greatest boxer but he even lost 5 fights in his career.BruceLee fought all the time and never lost,Chuck norris even said no man would stand a chance vs lee.Hes too fast and powerful.If any of you have seen the outtakes of his last film "the game of death" hedjump and had both feet at Kareems Head. Listen boys and girls Kareem was 7'4.I know you will say its just a fucking movie.But the jump was real his homefootage of his training was real.He fought all the time and was being challanged almost everyday in china.In fact they had a bounty on him if any man could whip him they would get a movie contract.Now imagine how many fights he must have been in, and he never lost one.Not only would brucelee kill ali who would kill anyone you can think of.No Man alive today would have won a fight vs him and thats the truth much less a boxer.I am a huge muhammed ali fan I have all his fights taped and many of his interviews the man is a legend, but he would have got killed vs brucelee.

On May 29 2004 05:43 Tien wrote:
Yeah frozenarbiter. I watch UFC/Pride constantly, I have downloaded hundreds of videos from both. They are my two most favourites to watch. I also watch the k1 all the time too. The k1 just recently opened up a grappling part to it and I see 150 pound experienced grapplers vs 230 pound strikers all the time. Its funny how so many of these 150 pound grapplers win constantly vs these 230 pound strikers.

I have to agree with Niza on the fact that most of these so called 'educated' people in this forum keep stressing the fact that the bigger you are, the more impossible it is to beat you. Same type of people that have never studied the art of fighting.

And Frozenarbiter, Bruce Lee never said Ali was too fast for Lee to handle. Bruce was just as fast if not faster. Ali was too fast for his competition.

On May 28 2004 21:26 NewbSaibot wrote:
kewlsunman: im glad youre pointing out other options besides size and speed. However the most important of all that nobody has talked about, is mental. So much about fighting has to do with your mind. Everything from people being so scared that their adrenaline rush wears them out from an equal amount of energy expenditure as a calm fighter, to your emotions, your fears, anger, etc. All these things have tremendous draws and impact on your ability to fight. ALI was prone to all of this. Used to it, knew how to handle his mind under the stress of a fight. Bruce Lee probably didnt. Hes like a scientist who builds the rocket but cant pilot it very well. The rocket is an ingenius design, but takes someone whos used to flying them to do it perfectly. Of course, Lee was also very very good at the 'piloting' of his body too. But i say ALI was better in this dept, and thats what would make the ultimate difference.

kewlsunman: i'd also like to point out that your stories of martial arts tactics are derived mostly from fantasy. Things that will never happen. Transfer of motion and energy may be possible given the techniques of aikido, but nothing is as ever cut and dry as that. "Oh hes punching at me, let me just divert his innertia here and down he goes", i dont think so. As for lees fist inflicting more damage than a 12-lb sledge being swung at full force, i believe that to be a complete work of fiction. It is simply, physically, impossible. Im sorry but i do not believe in this whole mind of matter stuff, a steel pipe will cause a cuncussion if hit directly on your skull, no if's and's or but's. You cannot will yourself to have bones of steel that reject the power of a bullet going through them and what not.