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On May 29 2004 04:48 Countdown wrote:
I was watching those um karate clips or whatever that FA posted and it seemed in all of them, the only thing that happened was they both charged each other and tried to wrestle each other to the ground. Maybe if it were wrestling or Boxing, Ali would win, but other than that Lee would kill him
'Karate clips'?
-_- MMA clips, and they'd fucking mutilate any traditional martial artist + boxer  "Charged at eachother and tried to wrestle eachother to the ground' weeeeeee!
You haven't seen any of the knockouts in that sport have you? Nor people getting choked out, broken bones (refusing to tap, or for example Don Frye vs Ken Shamrock, Frye was ahead in points, Shamrock got a heelhock on, time was almost out - frye didn't tap and broke his heal).
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Tien..
Seriously, do you really think Ali has never had streetfights?--
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On May 29 2004 05:27 Dieplz wrote:
It amazes me how many retards there are in this forum, I mean I know your all newbs at broodwars or just come here hoping rekrul or leg will talk to you so you can feel good, pathetic fuckers, but this is so retarded for people to say ali would have any chance at all. I mean you all say ali was 6'3 some lied and said 6'5 like the retards they are.But anyways ali was 6'3 212-225 in his prime.Bruce lee was 5'7 with the arm reach of a 6" but to the idiots that think that would matter in a fight your crazy.Bruce lee was The best fighter to have ever lived.Ali was the greatest boxer but he even lost 5 fights in his career.BruceLee fought all the time and never lost,Chuck norris even said no man would stand a chance vs lee.Hes too fast and powerful.If any of you have seen the outtakes of his last film "the game of death" hedjump and had both feet at Kareems Head. Listen boys and girls Kareem was 7'4.I know you will say its just a fucking movie.But the jump was real his homefootage of his training was real.He fought all the time and was being challanged almost everyday in china.In fact they had a bounty on him if any man could whip him they would get a movie contract.Now imagine how many fights he must have been in, and he never lost one.Not only would brucelee kill ali who would kill anyone you can think of.No Man alive today would have won a fight vs him and thats the truth much less a boxer.I am a huge muhammed ali fan I have all his fights taped and many of his interviews the man is a legend, but he would have got killed vs brucelee.
http://www.sherdog.com
Any fighter that's not a total tomato can in there would kill Bruce Lee. Now go away.
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On May 29 2004 05:43 Tien wrote:
Yeah frozenarbiter. I watch UFC/Pride constantly, I have downloaded hundreds of videos from both. They are my two most favourites to watch. I also watch the k1 all the time too. The k1 just recently opened up a grappling part to it and I see 150 pound experienced grapplers vs 230 pound strikers all the time. Its funny how so many of these 150 pound grapplers win constantly vs these 230 pound strikers.
I have to agree with Niza on the fact that most of these so called 'educated' people in this forum keep stressing the fact that the bigger you are, the more impossible it is to beat you. Same type of people that have never studied the art of fighting.
And Frozenarbiter, Bruce Lee never said Ali was too fast for Lee to handle. Bruce was just as fast if not faster. Ali was too fast for his competition.
'Too fast and strong'
Yes, professional grapplers vs professional strikers.. Easily the grappler -_-
"If you don't have anything nice to say about someone, don't say it" - Gene LeBell about Bruce's grappling --
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On May 28 2004 21:26 NewbSaibot wrote:
kewlsunman: im glad youre pointing out other options besides size and speed. However the most important of all that nobody has talked about, is mental. So much about fighting has to do with your mind. Everything from people being so scared that their adrenaline rush wears them out from an equal amount of energy expenditure as a calm fighter, to your emotions, your fears, anger, etc. All these things have tremendous draws and impact on your ability to fight. ALI was prone to all of this. Used to it, knew how to handle his mind under the stress of a fight. Bruce Lee probably didnt. Hes like a scientist who builds the rocket but cant pilot it very well. The rocket is an ingenius design, but takes someone whos used to flying them to do it perfectly. Of course, Lee was also very very good at the 'piloting' of his body too. But i say ALI was better in this dept, and thats what would make the ultimate difference.
kewlsunman: i'd also like to point out that your stories of martial arts tactics are derived mostly from fantasy. Things that will never happen. Transfer of motion and energy may be possible given the techniques of aikido, but nothing is as ever cut and dry as that. "Oh hes punching at me, let me just divert his innertia here and down he goes", i dont think so. As for lees fist inflicting more damage than a 12-lb sledge being swung at full force, i believe that to be a complete work of fiction. It is simply, physically, impossible. Im sorry but i do not believe in this whole mind of matter stuff, a steel pipe will cause a cuncussion if hit directly on your skull, no if's and's or but's. You cannot will yourself to have bones of steel that reject the power of a bullet going through them and what not.
Wtf? Ali had better fight mentality than Bruce Lee? Wtf are you smoking? Bruce Lee had the best fight mentality on earth, thats why he was what he was. He had such a powerful mind he brought out the things that he did - such as the 1 inch punch which sent huge men flying across the room, you think his size and arm alone did that alone? Yeah right, uh huh. Yet, you claim its bullshit. Dude, there were fucking witnesses. Does that not mean anything anymore?
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On May 29 2004 06:18 Dieplz wrote:
OMG STFU YOU FROZENARBITOR ARE FUCKING MORON YOU KEEP POSTING THIS SHIT.ALI DIDNT SPAR WITHOUT GEAR ARE YOU A FUCKING IDIOT.HE DID ALL THE TIME. BRUCELEE TRAINED 10x AS MUCH AND DID MORE THAN ALI EVER DID.HE WORKED OUT ALL THE TIME.BRUCELEE HAD TO MAKE SPARRING GEAR BECAUSE NOBODY WOULD GO FULL SPEED WITHOUT IT.I DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IM SURE YOUR BENT OVER THOU BECAUSE YOUR POSTING OUT OF YOUR ASS. STOP BEING A FUCKING MORON AND JUST DEAL WITH THE FACT BRUCELEE WOULD HAVE KILLED HIM. HE WAS SO MUCH FASTER THAN ALI IN EVERYWAY. AND HAD MORE PUNCHING POWER AS WELL SO GO READ SOME OF THE FACTS STOP BEING A FUCKING LITTLE BITCH MORON AND STOP POSTING SHIT YOU FAGGOT FUCKER.NORRIS WAS TRAINED BY BRUCELEE JOE LOUIS THE MARTIAL ARTS KING NOW WAS TRAINED BY BRUCELEE,AND YOU NO DOUBT HAVE BEEN TRAINED BY WILLAIM HONG IN THE ART OF I DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON.
Hi.
Ali fought full out boxing - Lee did not.
Lee trained with gear far more than Ali did.
Bruce Lee didn't make sparring gear, for example the shin guards he used were introduced by Dan Inosanto. Caps are nice. Fuck you.
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Cory, get on msn and I'll give you the clip of Bruce's 1 inch punch :/ didn't send people flying at all -_-
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On May 29 2004 00:41 Hot_Bid wrote: Show nested quote +On May 29 2004 00:29 amat wrote: On May 28 2004 23:59 FiGhtAsBlind wrote: On May 28 2004 23:34 amat wrote: In the ring or a street fight Ali wins easy (a 140lb azn isn't touching a heavyweight champ). However, in one of Lee's movies, Lee would win with a 1" 15 foot knock out punch, lol. And females > males.  Why did you have to include "azn"? Isn't a 140lb man a 140lb man?" Added that for emphasis... It's one of the major reasons he is so overrated; every azn is in love with the little guy that can take on big mean Americans. From the Joe Lewis interview at that devinewind site: "Bruce was not a fighter. He was an actor and a teacher. He was a great teacher." okay there are asians who are Americans, so lets not assume okay? your rhetoric screams prejudice, it implies all asians are small (maybe in asia, but in America second and third generation not so) and that asians aren't americans. not all americans are white and large. not all asians or "azns" as you say are tiny and obsessed with their obvious "inferiority" as compared to big Americans, or wait, you mean white people. i'm not calling you a racist but your statement was not without bias. simply denying and justifying it with your second post proves that. last i checked (on the gallery) you are Caucasian American--there are Asians who are just as American as you are. if i made a generalization like "all white women are obsessed with..." would you not take offense? come on now amat.
man shut the fuck up. Stop making a non-issue a big deal.
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On May 29 2004 00:41 NewbSaibot wrote:
Whoever thinks some random guy who can flex a good ripped torso on camera can walk up to a heavy weight champion of the world and just beat him up, is stupid.
Read your post agian, and you'll see who is stupid.
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On May 29 2004 00:52 NewbSaibot wrote: Show nested quote +solar..their not 100lbs bags..james coburn described it being 300lbs that came off its chain and flew 5 feet away with sand coming out of it ripping down the middle.. Guess that was some piece of shit bag then. Lets see, first you have the 300lbs, in the compressable form of sand, sealed in a leather bag, apx. 4 feet in heigh and 2 feet in diamater, attached via a steel chain linkage bolted to a some form of support beam. I dont think it takes a genius to realise it would take some 1000lbs of force to break the chain apart, rip the bag, and still have enough momentum to carry it 5 feet accross. And lets just assume you attached someones leg (or fist) to a high pressure piston to move it for them, i think its also safe to say that such an impact would shatter every bone in your limb.. Now some of you may have lost grasp here and want to say "yea, thats whats so amazing about it!". But the simpler and more obvious answer is, it never happened, not like this anyway. A whole slew of 'mitigating circumstances' to be looked at.
Yes perhaps it would take a 1000 pound force to break the bag. But the part you don't understand, you clueless little nutsucker, is that he was ABLE to generate that kind of force. THAT is why he is so amazing. Your calling us blind? Wtf do you think that the entire fucking earth 'made up' the legend of Bruce Lee?
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On May 29 2004 01:13 kuwakJai wrote:
newbSaibot.... as ive already said.... Bruce Lee is not someone who is to be analyzed. Even if he was half black, half white, and half mongolian, he would still be what he is.
wtf? Oh course he wouldn't. What you look like and your nationality plays a huge part in who you are.
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On May 29 2004 06:18 Dieplz wrote:
OMG STFU YOU FROZENARBITOR ARE FUCKING MORON YOU KEEP POSTING THIS SHIT.ALI DIDNT SPAR WITHOUT GEAR ARE YOU A FUCKING IDIOT.HE DID ALL THE TIME. BRUCELEE TRAINED 10x AS MUCH AND DID MORE THAN ALI EVER DID.HE WORKED OUT ALL THE TIME.BRUCELEE HAD TO MAKE SPARRING GEAR BECAUSE NOBODY WOULD GO FULL SPEED WITHOUT IT.I DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IM SURE YOUR BENT OVER THOU BECAUSE YOUR POSTING OUT OF YOUR ASS. STOP BEING A FUCKING MORON AND JUST DEAL WITH THE FACT BRUCELEE WOULD HAVE KILLED HIM. HE WAS SO MUCH FASTER THAN ALI IN EVERYWAY. AND HAD MORE PUNCHING POWER AS WELL SO GO READ SOME OF THE FACTS STOP BEING A FUCKING LITTLE BITCH MORON AND STOP POSTING SHIT YOU FAGGOT FUCKER.NORRIS WAS TRAINED BY BRUCELEE JOE LOUIS THE MARTIAL ARTS KING NOW WAS TRAINED BY BRUCELEE,AND YOU NO DOUBT HAVE BEEN TRAINED BY WILLAIM HONG IN THE ART OF I DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON.
Those caps really put emphasis on your point, I like it. Mind if I use it?
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On May 29 2004 02:29 travis wrote:
someone once asked ali this question
Ali answered, "If we were boxing, me. If we did kung fu, him."
pretty fucking simple
rofl
it sure is
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On May 29 2004 03:09 Zerius wrote:
I dont mean to generalize, Im just skimming through the posts and notice a few names consistantly coming up, of those, hes the only guy using rational explanations of why X fighter would win.
The Lee supporters seem to think he would win because he could actch grains of sand with chopsticks, and kick people across a room, which is just hilariously false.
I havent seen any of your responses to this thread, so your sanity is still under review. Ill get back to you in a few minutes with the verdict.
Yes I suppose you would know better of Bruce Lee's feats because of your long relationship with him from when he was a child right? And we should ignore the coutnless witnesses who saw him do miraculous and mindblowing things.
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I dont understand how anyone could argue against ali. With that said I think a lot of the people in pride/ufc are pathetic boxers. And I would not be surprised if for example lennox lewis would tko them in 20 seconds. However since the money in pride/ufc are nowhere near boxing we won't see any good boxers try it.
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The stories about Bruce are REAL. When he came over to nick Coburn's house, he saw nick pathetically kicking the 100lb bag. Bruce then went up to him and said, "No nick, you gotta kick like this." Bruce sidekicked the bag, it hit the ceiling and it ripped apart right where he kicked it.
This is further backed up by Joe Lewis, the martial arts champion of the world who won entire competitions with only his side-kick, the same side kick that bruce lee taught him how to perform perfectly.
Joe Lewis has also split countless amounts of punching bags himself.
And really, it all comes down to this: Ali trained for the ring, Bruce trained for the streets. Most of the people in this forum with no fighting or martial arts experience dont realize this at all. They dont see a difference between the ring and the street. This is unfortunate and because they dont realize this, much of what they say is meaningless.
And Frozen, Ali street fighting a bunch of bumbs is nothing compared to street fighting Bruce Lee.
If you want to respond to me, respond to the first post on page 11 or 12 with my huge ass analysis between the two.
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Geez, it sounds like Bruce Lee trained a shit load of people >_<
From reading all these posts (interesting, Tiens/FrozenArbiters are nice) I would say that Lee would probably win, especially in a street fight...
Of course, in a boxing match, which lee has no experience in, well he'd get owned.
O_o?
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Lol whyd this thread get so long?
Next thread, who would win, Godzilla or Megazord?
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On May 29 2004 07:02 Jim wrote:
I dont understand how anyone could argue against ali. With that said I think a lot of the people in pride/ufc are pathetic boxers. And I would not be surprised if for example lennox lewis would tko them in 20 seconds. However since the money in pride/ufc are nowhere near boxing we won't see any good boxers try it.
With boxing rules yes, with MMA rules not a chance
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Saying size matters in a fight is like saying apm matters in SC. And it DOES its just that its overrated ;D
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