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InfiniteIce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States794 Posts
July 07 2010 01:09 GMT
#1321
On July 07 2010 09:37 InfiniteIce wrote:
I submitted the story to CNN via http://www.cnn.com/feedback/tips/newstips.html

I fully expect 500 pages by the time i return

No, but seriously. This needs public attention.


https://www.esrb.org/privacy/contact.jsp

Did this too.
i keep going back to my response to chill's fake PM and laughing, then immediately getting a feeling that i assume i'd get if i had an orgasm and the girl said "hahaha guess what i have a dick" -FakeSteve
levelping
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore759 Posts
July 07 2010 01:09 GMT
#1322
I don't know about the legality of this. Could someone versed in EU law chime in? I know the EU has data protection directives that protect sensitive information such as names. It does allow for consent as an exception though. But then again consent as legally understood means more than just saying yes. Also if posting on the bnet forums is part of the package of services you buy when you pay your subscription, wouldn't requiring real names to post the forum be a liability on people trying to use a service they are entitled to (by virtue of subscription purchase)? And wouldn't this liability be disproportionate and thus breach principles of proportionality in EU law, since reduction of trolling can be done via more moderation or post grading, both of which being less onerous?
miltondtf
Profile Joined July 2010
Portugal50 Posts
July 07 2010 01:10 GMT
#1323
On July 07 2010 10:06 kajeus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 10:04 travis wrote:
On July 07 2010 09:58 Random() wrote:
I don't get it. You happily dump all your private information to public sites like Facebook, and then whine that someone is able to find that info using your name?


except i don't

jesus people..

Then what are people going to find out about you through Google? :D

Your address, maybe; your phone number, maybe -- but nothing more complicated that a phone book search would tell you.

OMG you just don't get it do you?!!? I just don't want my personal info available on the internet, EVER! You say its just the name, then another gaming company releases just the addres then another releases just your gender, then its just you sexual orientation then its just.... see the point?!
"But do you REALLY want chat rooms? Really?!" --In patch 1.2 we will be making even bigger changes! not only you will have a clock but we will add an ingame calendar so you can track all the tournements with a Terran winning!! :D
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
July 07 2010 01:11 GMT
#1324
that's pretty ridiculous, I don't agree with the change. Not that I posted under b.net forums anyway
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Munashiimaru
Profile Joined March 2010
United States26 Posts
July 07 2010 01:13 GMT
#1325
On July 07 2010 09:58 Random() wrote:
I don't get it. You happily dump all your private information to public sites like Facebook, and then whine that someone is able to find that info using your name?


Believe it or not, there's a large portion of the population that does in fact not have a facebook account.
The large print giveth and the small print taketh away.
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
July 07 2010 01:13 GMT
#1326
It is not illegal since it will be up to you whether you post on these forums or not.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Ikkath
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom54 Posts
July 07 2010 01:14 GMT
#1327
On July 07 2010 10:05 miltondtf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 09:59 Alsn wrote:
Disclaimer: IANAL.

I'm actually pretty sure it would be illegal for blizzard to publicly display my real name according to swedish law(for anyone interested in reading and being proficient in the Swedish language, check the following link).

Basically, your real name is regarded as sensitive private information and cannot be displayed without your express permission, and having no option of not displaying it when trying to get tech support on their forum would probably constitute a breach of that law.

Even if they did include some clause that said "if you post on this forum, you approve of us displaying your real name" I'm not entirely sure something like that would stand up in Swedish court as EULAs are far less binding around here than in the US.

To all you people defending this move, what god given right do you have to speak for everyone else? You may be fine with this, that doesn't mean everyone else has to be. Saying posting on the forums is optional isn't good enough when things like tech support are included in this supposed "optional feature".

They haven't announced it on European forums yet but like you I see even a bigger shitstorm coming if this goes forward this is the kind of stuff that can get to the European parlament... Remember wen internet providers wanted to associate individuals to illegal downloads?


You are on actual crack right? You think that making people stand by posts on a forum with their real name is anything like associating specific people to illegal downloads? Really...?

This is a huge shitstorm in a teacup.

If you are too scared to stand by something you say with your real name (not exactly a unique identifier) then I suggest that what you wanted to post was useless flamebait or similar. Man up.
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
July 07 2010 01:15 GMT
#1328
On July 07 2010 10:09 InfiniteIce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 09:37 InfiniteIce wrote:
I submitted the story to CNN via http://www.cnn.com/feedback/tips/newstips.html

I fully expect 500 pages by the time i return

No, but seriously. This needs public attention.


https://www.esrb.org/privacy/contact.jsp

Did this too.
I love the irony of that site requiring you to post your real name, country of residence and e-mail.

Sent a tip with a made up name and a spam-mail account. ~~
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 07 2010 01:16 GMT
#1329
On July 07 2010 10:15 Alsn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 10:09 InfiniteIce wrote:
On July 07 2010 09:37 InfiniteIce wrote:
I submitted the story to CNN via http://www.cnn.com/feedback/tips/newstips.html

I fully expect 500 pages by the time i return

No, but seriously. This needs public attention.


https://www.esrb.org/privacy/contact.jsp

Did this too.
I love the irony of that site requiring you to post your real name, country of residence and e-mail.

Sent a tip with a made up name and a spam-mail account. ~~


I tried and I got some error.
kajeus
Profile Joined May 2010
United States679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 01:17:08
July 07 2010 01:16 GMT
#1330
On July 07 2010 10:09 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 10:06 kajeus wrote:
On July 07 2010 10:04 travis wrote:
On July 07 2010 09:58 Random() wrote:
I don't get it. You happily dump all your private information to public sites like Facebook, and then whine that someone is able to find that info using your name?


except i don't

jesus people..

Then what are people going to find out about you through Google? :D

Your address, maybe; your phone number, maybe -- but nothing more complicated that a phone book search would tell you.


.. which they couldn't do IF I DIDNT HAVE TO POST MY NAME

honestly, you just made my point for me. congratulations.

I guess it is a scary world out here, Travis Black, age 25, of Klamath Falls, Oregon...
pro-MoMaN, pro-HuK, pro-Millenium
Kodat
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8 Posts
July 07 2010 01:17 GMT
#1331
http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed: wowriot (Latest Wowriot Blog Posts - Wowriot.Gameriot.com)&gr_i_ni


and this is what happens when we have to use our real id
InfiniteIce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States794 Posts
July 07 2010 01:18 GMT
#1332
http://howmanyofme.com/search/

To ppl talking about common names.

i keep going back to my response to chill's fake PM and laughing, then immediately getting a feeling that i assume i'd get if i had an orgasm and the girl said "hahaha guess what i have a dick" -FakeSteve
levelping
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore759 Posts
July 07 2010 01:19 GMT
#1333
On July 07 2010 10:14 Ikkath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 10:05 miltondtf wrote:
On July 07 2010 09:59 Alsn wrote:
Disclaimer: IANAL.

I'm actually pretty sure it would be illegal for blizzard to publicly display my real name according to swedish law(for anyone interested in reading and being proficient in the Swedish language, check the following link).

Basically, your real name is regarded as sensitive private information and cannot be displayed without your express permission, and having no option of not displaying it when trying to get tech support on their forum would probably constitute a breach of that law.

Even if they did include some clause that said "if you post on this forum, you approve of us displaying your real name" I'm not entirely sure something like that would stand up in Swedish court as EULAs are far less binding around here than in the US.

To all you people defending this move, what god given right do you have to speak for everyone else? You may be fine with this, that doesn't mean everyone else has to be. Saying posting on the forums is optional isn't good enough when things like tech support are included in this supposed "optional feature".

They haven't announced it on European forums yet but like you I see even a bigger shitstorm coming if this goes forward this is the kind of stuff that can get to the European parlament... Remember wen internet providers wanted to associate individuals to illegal downloads?


You are on actual crack right? You think that making people stand by posts on a forum with their real name is anything like associating specific people to illegal downloads? Really...?

This is a huge shitstorm in a teacup.

If you are too scared to stand by something you say with your real name (not exactly a unique identifier) then I suggest that what you wanted to post was useless flamebait or similar. Man up.


I'd just point out that the EU directive on data protection has a bunch of provisions that may or may not apply to what blizzard is doing. So I would not think it far fetched that the EU parliament might end up discussing this should there be enough public concern.
InfiniteIce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States794 Posts
July 07 2010 01:20 GMT
#1334
On July 07 2010 10:15 Alsn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 10:09 InfiniteIce wrote:
On July 07 2010 09:37 InfiniteIce wrote:
I submitted the story to CNN via http://www.cnn.com/feedback/tips/newstips.html

I fully expect 500 pages by the time i return

No, but seriously. This needs public attention.


https://www.esrb.org/privacy/contact.jsp

Did this too.
I love the irony of that site requiring you to post your real name, country of residence and e-mail.

Sent a tip with a made up name and a spam-mail account. ~~


"First Name"

i keep going back to my response to chill's fake PM and laughing, then immediately getting a feeling that i assume i'd get if i had an orgasm and the girl said "hahaha guess what i have a dick" -FakeSteve
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
July 07 2010 01:20 GMT
#1335
On July 07 2010 10:14 Ikkath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 10:05 miltondtf wrote:
On July 07 2010 09:59 Alsn wrote:
Disclaimer: IANAL.

I'm actually pretty sure it would be illegal for blizzard to publicly display my real name according to swedish law(for anyone interested in reading and being proficient in the Swedish language, check the following link).

Basically, your real name is regarded as sensitive private information and cannot be displayed without your express permission, and having no option of not displaying it when trying to get tech support on their forum would probably constitute a breach of that law.

Even if they did include some clause that said "if you post on this forum, you approve of us displaying your real name" I'm not entirely sure something like that would stand up in Swedish court as EULAs are far less binding around here than in the US.

To all you people defending this move, what god given right do you have to speak for everyone else? You may be fine with this, that doesn't mean everyone else has to be. Saying posting on the forums is optional isn't good enough when things like tech support are included in this supposed "optional feature".

They haven't announced it on European forums yet but like you I see even a bigger shitstorm coming if this goes forward this is the kind of stuff that can get to the European parlament... Remember wen internet providers wanted to associate individuals to illegal downloads?


You are on actual crack right? You think that making people stand by posts on a forum with their real name is anything like associating specific people to illegal downloads? Really...?

This is a huge shitstorm in a teacup.

If you are too scared to stand by something you say with your real name (not exactly a unique identifier) then I suggest that what you wanted to post was useless flamebait or similar. Man up.
(Bolded by me for emphasis)
Yes, because anonymity is a privilege, not a right...

The fact that you can contact a journalist *anonymously* when you want to raise a concern is just a privilege? Sites like wikileaks not revealing their sources should then not be commended? O_o

There are a lot of things that are "not a big deal" in this world, a regular Joe's privacy is not one of these things, no matter how insignificant you people on your high horses seem to think it is.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
July 07 2010 01:22 GMT
#1336
I am reminded of this quote from Activision from their Annual Investment Report this past year, that now seems rather prescient:

“We are subject to risks associated with the collaborative online features in our games, such as World of Warcraft’s online chat feature, which allows consumers to post narrative comment, in real time, that is visible to other players. Despite our efforts to restrict inappropriate consumer content, from time to time objectionable and offensive consumer content may be posted to a World of Warcraft gaming site or the sites of other games or game services, such as Battle.net, with online chat features or game forums which allow consumers to post comments. We may be subject to lawsuits, governmental regulation or restrictions, and consumer backlash (including decreased sales and harmed reputation), as a result of consumers posting offensive content, any of which could harm our operating results.”


Credit where due, Hadraziel posted this quote back when we were discussing chat channels here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128014&currentpage=89#1767

I think we now know why they were so reluctant with chat rooms, and now want to put everyone's real name on posts.
STX Fighting!
Ikkath
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom54 Posts
July 07 2010 01:22 GMT
#1337
Thinking about it for a few minutes the only issue I can see is that women will get harassed by all the pubescent male idiots.

Depending on how women in general react to that kind of idiocy I would suggest this problem alone might be enough to sink the idea - especially if the games industry is serious on not looking like a sausage party.
Munashiimaru
Profile Joined March 2010
United States26 Posts
July 07 2010 01:22 GMT
#1338
On July 07 2010 10:13 Backpack wrote:
It is not illegal since it will be up to you whether you post on these forums or not.


I could see some civil suits going down after the first parent gets shivved because their kid rolled on some guys cloudsong and was tracked down through a post the kid made on the tech support forums.
The large print giveth and the small print taketh away.
lueiGi2
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada24 Posts
July 07 2010 01:23 GMT
#1339
next up: city, address and phone to be displayed
Jollyburner
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada190 Posts
July 07 2010 01:25 GMT
#1340
i guess were gona be liable for anything we say, including if someone else accesses ur account n posts inappropriately.

im comfortable flaming/trolling bnet forums w/ my real name tho, so i guess it wont stop all of us.
sc2 imba aoe im pro now :D
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