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On July 07 2010 10:22 Ikkath wrote:
Thinking about it for a few minutes the only issue I can see is that women will get harassed by all the pubescent male idiots.
Depending on how women in general react to that kind of idiocy I would suggest this problem alone might be enough to sink the idea - especially if the games industry is serious on not looking like a sausage party.
I don't want an employer finding my Battle.net forum posts when they google my name.
That can lead to me not getting a job.
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On July 07 2010 10:20 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 10:14 Ikkath wrote:On July 07 2010 10:05 miltondtf wrote:On July 07 2010 09:59 Alsn wrote:Disclaimer: IANAL. I'm actually pretty sure it would be illegal for blizzard to publicly display my real name according to swedish law(for anyone interested in reading and being proficient in the Swedish language, check the following link). Basically, your real name is regarded as sensitive private information and cannot be displayed without your express permission, and having no option of not displaying it when trying to get tech support on their forum would probably constitute a breach of that law. Even if they did include some clause that said "if you post on this forum, you approve of us displaying your real name" I'm not entirely sure something like that would stand up in Swedish court as EULAs are far less binding around here than in the US. To all you people defending this move, what god given right do you have to speak for everyone else? You may be fine with this, that doesn't mean everyone else has to be. Saying posting on the forums is optional isn't good enough when things like tech support are included in this supposed "optional feature". They haven't announced it on European forums yet but like you I see even a bigger shitstorm coming if this goes forward this is the kind of stuff that can get to the European parlament... Remember wen internet providers wanted to associate individuals to illegal downloads? You are on actual crack right? You think that making people stand by posts on a forum with their real name is anything like associating specific people to illegal downloads? Really...? This is a huge shitstorm in a teacup. If you are too scared to stand by something you say with your real name (not exactly a unique identifier) then I suggest that what you wanted to post was useless flamebait or similar. Man up. (Bolded by me for emphasis) Yes, because anonymity is a privilege, not a right... The fact that you can contact a journalist *anonymously* when you want to raise a concern is just a privilege? Sites like wikileaks not revealing their sources should then not be commended? O_o There are a lot of things that are "not a big deal" in this world, a regular Joe's privacy is not one of these things, no matter how insignificant you people on your high horses seem to think it is.
Anonymity isn't a right that you can seriously protect. At least not when it comes down to just a NAME. I take it you privacy people don't have bank accounts, debit cards, mobile phones, ensure shops don't use CCTV, etc.
Grow up. Your fantasy of anonymity is an illusion.
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Yeah that forum mod got fucking owned. I read that article about Bashiok, I really feel bad for him. He was "FORCED" to get his facebook removed lol such a damn shame.
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okay still one simple question for people who think this is a good idea:
What advantages has the RealName instead of a nickname?
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On July 07 2010 10:23 lueiGi2 wrote:
next up: city, address and phone to be displayed
with real name you can get all that very easily, thats the main reason the internet has been anonymous.
im seeing tons of people avoiding the forums entirely/ fake naming, turning a somewhat degen forum into a ghosttown of noones and anonymous trollers exclusively.
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On July 07 2010 10:25 Midj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 10:22 Ikkath wrote:
Thinking about it for a few minutes the only issue I can see is that women will get harassed by all the pubescent male idiots.
Depending on how women in general react to that kind of idiocy I would suggest this problem alone might be enough to sink the idea - especially if the games industry is serious on not looking like a sausage party. I don't want an employer finding my Battle.net forum posts when they google my name. That can lead to me not getting a job.
How is that exactly? Unless of course you want to act like a total dick on the forums and generally bring your character into disrepute. See what I said about people not wanting to stand by what they say on the forums - you don't think this is what Blizzard wants to stop?
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i also sent a tip to http://www.tt.se a swedish news agancy that also deliver news internationally. =)
Not that i think they will care enough ^^
However im almost 100% sure blizzard will withdraw this idiotic idea.
But someone´s ass have to get fired. If the employee´s accually sits around a table and think this
they are not going in the customers direction.
"We’ve given a great deal of consideration to the design of Real ID as a company"
(qoute from "Nethaera"´s blue post)
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Netherlands71 Posts
6 July 2010 the day 11359 posts are made against the RealID and if blizzard continues its their dead
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1&pageNo=568
550+ pages 11000+ posts 0 blizz replies
i read almost 300 pages and counted over 2000+ people quiting wow when this happens and this is just 5% of the wow population that uses the forums and this is only in 7-10 HOURS AFTER THE ORIGINAL POST
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On July 07 2010 10:25 Merikh wrote:Yeah that forum mod got fucking owned. I read that article about Bashiok, I really feel bad for him. He was "FORCED" to get his facebook removed lol such a damn shame.
LOL I read about that too. Flawless victory.
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On July 07 2010 10:26 Ikkath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 10:25 Midj wrote:On July 07 2010 10:22 Ikkath wrote:
Thinking about it for a few minutes the only issue I can see is that women will get harassed by all the pubescent male idiots.
Depending on how women in general react to that kind of idiocy I would suggest this problem alone might be enough to sink the idea - especially if the games industry is serious on not looking like a sausage party. I don't want an employer finding my Battle.net forum posts when they google my name. That can lead to me not getting a job. How is that exactly? Unless of course you want to act like a total dick on the forums and generally bring your character into disrepute. See what I said about people not wanting to stand by what they say on the forums - you don't think this is what Blizzard wants to stop?
there is tons of job discrimination still, including not hiring degen gamers with 100s of posts on battlenet forums regarding a game noone really understands if they dont play it. they can easily look up the time you log and realise your probably a social deviant, then categorize you as unwanted for a variety of positions based on this fact.
i could see myself not hiring someone after realising they log 40 hours a week playing a game till 4 am every nite, since theyll likely be zombie workers on 2 hours of sleep.
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On July 07 2010 10:28 Warf wrote:
i read almost 300 pages and counted over 2000+ people quiting wow when this happens
made me lol
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I wanted to share a post I found in the WoW forum. Pretty quality.
I don't think you, Blizzard, understand that implementing these changes may cut down on trolls directly participating in forum conversation, but also open up a disgusting playground both to them and others with malicious intent. Sadly, I'm sure most of them -- and other people who don't even contribute to the overflow of inappropriate and unhelpful posts -- will look at this as opportunity instead of being silenced. So instead of allowing players to harass others on your territory, you instead think it wise to open a million doors with which they can harass others on their territory. I'm still finding it hard to believe that not only did someone come up with this plan, but many more must have given it the green light.
There are numerous search engine websites that give you a person's address, phone number, and other personal details by just entering in their first and last name. And that's just letting something else do the heavy lifting for you -- what sorts of things do you think you can find out if you actually invest a little bit of time? What's in a name? Only everything anyone could ever possibly want to know about you. I'm sure you aren't so Internet unaware that you don't know what people can do with a simple IP or e-mail address, but to just hand the public their full name?
And to those who say, "Who cares about you? No one is going to care enough to look you up" ... spoken like a true person of privilege. It must be nice to be so fortunate. It must be nice to not be in any sort of minority where you know what it is like to be harassed just for being you. It must be nice to have never had any sort of stalker, harassment, identity theft, or privacy violations in the past.
I am a female who plays WoW with a first and last name combo that I am 100% certain does not exist elsewhere in the US and possibly the world, according to Google. I am also a graphic designer, blogger, and photographer. The last thing I need is someone recognizing a female name here on the forums, Googling it, and then deciding to harass me (best case scenario in-game, more likely scenario via a more personal avenue, unlikely but possible scenario IRL). In my field of work, a website is a very important portfolio/resume component. I shouldn't have to adopt a RL alias to protect myself from a ridiculous requirement from an MMO.
Players shouldn't have to sacrifice their privacy just because you can't effectively moderate your own forum. In a matter of weeks, RealID has gone from a way to "keep in touch with your RL friends and people you trust" to public information if we want to post on the forums we more or less pay for. What's next? RealID displayed on the armory? RealID mandatory on friends lists? RealID available in the tooltip over your character? When I saw the original uproar over RealID, I thought people were taking it a bit far -- after all, you could opt out. But this is taking it to a level that is completely inappropriate for an online message board, and more importantly, FANTASY GAME.
If you're going to do this, at least have the decency to be honest about it. Given the enormous response, it is clear that the majority of the community is against this change -- and for very good reason. You are not doing this for the players. You are doing this for your own gain.
Please reconsider. I and many others are very concerned with the indifferent approach you seem to be taking towards the safety and privacy of your customers.
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On July 07 2010 10:26 Ikkath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 10:25 Midj wrote:On July 07 2010 10:22 Ikkath wrote:
Thinking about it for a few minutes the only issue I can see is that women will get harassed by all the pubescent male idiots.
Depending on how women in general react to that kind of idiocy I would suggest this problem alone might be enough to sink the idea - especially if the games industry is serious on not looking like a sausage party. I don't want an employer finding my Battle.net forum posts when they google my name. That can lead to me not getting a job. How is that exactly? Unless of course you want to act like a total dick on the forums and generally bring your character into disrepute. See what I said about people not wanting to stand by what they say on the forums - you don't think this is what Blizzard wants to stop?
Many people look down on video game players. Especially, MMORPG players. These people tend to be the older folks... who also tend to be the guys in charge of hiring people. So even if your respectful on the forums when they're deciding between you and another guy with the same credentials and you're one of those people he's convinced spends all his time on a worthless MMO that only losers play guess who gets the job?
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On July 07 2010 10:14 Ikkath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 10:05 miltondtf wrote:On July 07 2010 09:59 Alsn wrote:Disclaimer: IANAL. I'm actually pretty sure it would be illegal for blizzard to publicly display my real name according to swedish law(for anyone interested in reading and being proficient in the Swedish language, check the following link). Basically, your real name is regarded as sensitive private information and cannot be displayed without your express permission, and having no option of not displaying it when trying to get tech support on their forum would probably constitute a breach of that law. Even if they did include some clause that said "if you post on this forum, you approve of us displaying your real name" I'm not entirely sure something like that would stand up in Swedish court as EULAs are far less binding around here than in the US. To all you people defending this move, what god given right do you have to speak for everyone else? You may be fine with this, that doesn't mean everyone else has to be. Saying posting on the forums is optional isn't good enough when things like tech support are included in this supposed "optional feature". They haven't announced it on European forums yet but like you I see even a bigger shitstorm coming if this goes forward this is the kind of stuff that can get to the European parlament... Remember wen internet providers wanted to associate individuals to illegal downloads? You are on actual crack right? You think that making people stand by posts on a forum with their real name is anything like associating specific people to illegal downloads? Really...? This is a huge shitstorm in a teacup. If you are too scared to stand by something you say with your real name (not exactly a unique identifier) then I suggest that what you wanted to post was useless flamebait or similar. Man up.
Ok big man, I was stating an example on how even something that seems rightful to some eyes (like preventing illegal downloads) gets trown off due to the fact that that it messes up with personal privacy.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/FindByProcnum.do?lang=en&procnum=INI/2008/2160
Now if you read that carefully you see that even the interned alias aka nicknames are recommended to be a part of the individual's personal information and therefore should be under protection aswell, and that it has to be the persons choice to release it.
Yes I can opt not to post on the forums, but them I will have less rights then other the other users that are willing to give away their personal info.
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Hello, my name is John Doe.
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On July 07 2010 10:25 Ikkath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 10:20 Alsn wrote:On July 07 2010 10:14 Ikkath wrote:On July 07 2010 10:05 miltondtf wrote:On July 07 2010 09:59 Alsn wrote:Disclaimer: IANAL. I'm actually pretty sure it would be illegal for blizzard to publicly display my real name according to swedish law(for anyone interested in reading and being proficient in the Swedish language, check the following link). Basically, your real name is regarded as sensitive private information and cannot be displayed without your express permission, and having no option of not displaying it when trying to get tech support on their forum would probably constitute a breach of that law. Even if they did include some clause that said "if you post on this forum, you approve of us displaying your real name" I'm not entirely sure something like that would stand up in Swedish court as EULAs are far less binding around here than in the US. To all you people defending this move, what god given right do you have to speak for everyone else? You may be fine with this, that doesn't mean everyone else has to be. Saying posting on the forums is optional isn't good enough when things like tech support are included in this supposed "optional feature". They haven't announced it on European forums yet but like you I see even a bigger shitstorm coming if this goes forward this is the kind of stuff that can get to the European parlament... Remember wen internet providers wanted to associate individuals to illegal downloads? You are on actual crack right? You think that making people stand by posts on a forum with their real name is anything like associating specific people to illegal downloads? Really...? This is a huge shitstorm in a teacup. If you are too scared to stand by something you say with your real name (not exactly a unique identifier) then I suggest that what you wanted to post was useless flamebait or similar. Man up. (Bolded by me for emphasis) Yes, because anonymity is a privilege, not a right... The fact that you can contact a journalist *anonymously* when you want to raise a concern is just a privilege? Sites like wikileaks not revealing their sources should then not be commended? O_o There are a lot of things that are "not a big deal" in this world, a regular Joe's privacy is not one of these things, no matter how insignificant you people on your high horses seem to think it is. Anonymity isn't a right that you can seriously protect. At least not when it comes down to just a NAME. I take it you privacy people don't have bank accounts, debit cards, mobile phones, ensure shops don't use CCTV, etc. Grow up. Your fantasy of anonymity is an illusion. Except the fact that all those instances of me giving out my information there are people responsible for that information, responsible for adhering to privacy laws and such. A random person on the internet seeing my real name has no such checks.
The point is that forcing people to use their real names will solve nothing, you already have to use your real name to create a WoW account, do you have any idea of how ridiculous the spam in that game is? From actual game accounts, that again, "require" your real name?
On the other hand, it is such a hideously bad idea on so many levels that the potential gain(which, again, I firmly believe is non-existant, trolls will troll, spammers will spam, they'll just do it under assumed names) will never outweigh the guaranteed loss(real constructive posters simply going elsewhere due to privacy concerns).
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I'm not sure it's possible to do anything more stupid. This entirely defeats the purpose of posting online. Maybe I don't want everyone of the 13-year-old on the forums knowing my name, and getting my facebook. Same reason facebook integration is shitty.
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On July 07 2010 10:28 Warf wrote:6 July 2010 the day 11359 posts are made against the RealID and if blizzard continues its their dead http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1&pageNo=568550+ pages 11000+ posts 0 blizz replies i read almost 300 pages and counted over 2000+ people quiting wow when this happens and this is just 5% of the wow population that uses the forums and this is only in 7-10 HOURS AFTER THE ORIGINAL POST
You seem to be forgetting that a small % of that 5% cares. And an even smaller % of the other 95% care. Overall, not enough people care for blizzard to care.
And you didn't count 2000 people quitting wow but even if 2000 people quit wow, blizz still has 11.998 million left.
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On July 07 2010 01:17 oPPRoBe wrote:
Are they going to use our profile pics on Facebook next?
Why is this happening -_-
No, we're gonna have to sign in with our facebook accounts.
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