On July 08 2010 04:35 travis wrote: There are an overwhelming number of reasons why this is a terrible idea.
I just want to slap the people who say it's a great idea, but don't acknowledge any of the billions of points why it's ridiculously stupid.
Durrr, I like it, it doesn't bother me! fuck everyone else!
If you don't like it then don't post there, it is that easy. None is forcing you to post there! What it do is to give those who want to be serious in a serious discussing a place to be, currently there are no such forums anywhere at all!
Blizzard are well aware that there are other places to go if you want to hide behind an alias.
On July 08 2010 04:24 StarBrift wrote: This is great. I've been opposed to idiotic kids playing cool behind a fake identity since the internet began. If you don't have balls enough to say what you want to say in public, then don't say it at all. Blizzard is doing this to prevent trolling and abusive behavior. Well worth it imo.
And you honestly think endangering people by broadly outing them; Revealing almost everything about their lives is going to do any better ?
It will just create more paranoia for regular players and dive flamers/trolls deeper underground, kind of like those oh-so-intelligent terrorism laws...
I've stated it before but when I was 14-15, if I had access to a persons name and address, a few heated online arguments could have ended in a VERY bad way... And I wasn't the only one, about 95% of Q2-CS players were broadly immature, impulsive and cocky little brats asking for trouble.
How old are you, seriously ?
Most likely you wouldn't have those heated arguments if you used your real names, otherwise this would happen all the time in real life. You know all of your classmates names, right? So if you hate one of your classmates can't you fuck him over like that as well? And isn't it much more likely to happen with classmates than random internet dudes?
Except you know your classmate and have developed some sort of relationship with them. The guy on the internet doesn't know you at all, just that he thinks you're a jackass because of your posts.
Well, I am definitely not buying this game... Doubt they will change the "Real I.D." system after all of the so called "planning" that they have done for it. And along with all of the other failures that blizzard has announced it's clear to me that Blizzard the once great gaming company that we all knew and loved doesn't much care for its core audience and has now been corrupted by Activision... *Sigh* Well that's ok all good things come to an end at some point in their lifetime I just thought maybe Blizzard would be different and never change. Well one thing is for sure Brood War will never change and that game has never failed me in any way.
On July 08 2010 04:36 Sisko wrote: How likely is the community response to be attempts to e-stalk blizzard employees to get them to hate the system more than players do? I would hate to be a CM right now.
So blizzard are ready to throw people under the probability to be a victim of ID-theft or anything similiar just to get rid of spammers and trolls?
Will this be the only way for people to find out your full name? Seems kinda wierd that the "only" way someone can find out your fullname through Bnet is by you posting in a thread. I think people will find ways to go round that.
On July 08 2010 04:38 Klockan3 wrote: Most likely you wouldn't have those heated arguments if you used your real names, otherwise this would happen all the time in real life. You know all of your classmates names, right? So if you hate one of your classmates can't you fuck him over like that as well? And isn't it much more likely to happen with classmates than random internet dudes?
It's been a damn long time since I set foot in a school man... On internet people argue and flame eachother; It usually just dries down.
In real life, most arguments and flame wars involve people who A) don't even know their "opponents" name and B) according to crime stats more than often results in physical harm/death.
Your classmate comparison is illogic. A class is about 30 people the same age having more or less an equivalent opinion because after all... it's a fucking class !
Plus what you say in a class can not be traced back to you decades after you said it and neither can a lunatic dig your address and set your home ablaze because you griefed him in front of the board...
Those lunatics have gone to school as well, the chance of encountering them isn't any larger just because you are on the internet...
Also heated discussion happens all the time in real life without anyone getting hurt, where in hell do you live where people hurt and kill each other when they argue?
On July 08 2010 04:49 DemiSe wrote: So blizzard are ready to throw people under the probability to be a victim of ID-theft or anything similiar just to get rid of spammers and trolls?
Will this be the only way for people to find out your full name? Seems kinda wierd that the "only" way someone can find out your fullname through Bnet is by you posting in a thread. I think people will find ways to go round that.
For gods sake, there isn't any bigger chance of getting ID thefted just because your name is on a forum! All that happens is that your name gets associated with a few posts, all other information is already out there which can be used by ID thieves just as much right now as after this happens.
Accountability really doesn't excuse the wealth of vulnerabilities that many people, especially minorities and women, have to go through just to prevent trolling on a video game board.
And to say that we shouldn't care just because we won't post on the forums is silly. A concern doesn't have to personally affect you in order for you to be upset about it. Everything about this RealID is adding unnecessary risk that a non-revealing single gamertag could do just as easily. There's no reason why we should live under threat of real-live harassment over a video game. In fact it's important that we DO speak up about it because Blizzard shows no signs of stopping here. I can almost guarantee that they're going to push a few steps further with making our info public if nobody raises objections.
A Blizz Community Member wants to defend the Real-ID System, and posts his real name. Minutes later the adress, phone number and even the name of his wife, the school of his kids and some other things are known. Even pictures of his house^^
Dunno if this was posted, but hey good system blizz /sarcasm off.
Except in real life, what you say isn't recorded and displayed for all eternity for anyone in the whole world to read.
But what exactly is so wrong with accountability?
"Accountability" is not that straightforward when involved with something so easily misinterpreted as written word on the internet.
It's one thing to be accountable for things you actually said. It's another story when people take quotes out of context, can't see sarcastic tone as it's not expressed well in written form, or just plain misunderstand you.
But this is no different then real life when people can twist what you say. If it acts as impetus for people to put more thought into what they're saying, then it's really hard to argue against.
In real life you have a limited audience in front of you, you know who that audience is, you know exactly what you're sharing with whom. If you don't want someone to know something, you don't talk about it in his presence.
The internet is a much more powerful medium. On the internet, your audience is potentially every single person who has access to a computer. That includes your family, all your friends, your teachers, the people at work, your future employers. It also includes criminals, thieves, crazies, etc., etc.. Even better, your message doesn't fade over time. Are you sure you want everything you write today to be associated with you 20 years from now? Do you really want just anyone in the world to be able to associate your post with a name and an address if he doesn't like what you write?
Thinking this is going to turn the battle.net forums into a great forum where nobody posts unless they've got something important to say is naive. The general quality of posting will probably go up as a result, but having all real names exposed on a forum like that is just asking for trouble.
But everything you post are potentially read by everyone in the world already! The only difference is that now people can associate those posts with the real you, aka it adds accountability.
On July 08 2010 03:33 789 wrote:
On July 08 2010 03:12 Bibdy wrote: Why does accountability require your full name?
Why can't they just use any personalized unique identifier for your forum persona?
Seriously, this is just a damn online video game forum. Why is it so important that it needs to plaster something like your full name around in order to create that accountability? You would achieve the exact same effect of accountability by forcing people to post with a single identifier on the account. Whether its real or not, its still locked to that account and you can't change it without buying another one. Exact same effect as buying another account to generate a fake full name, only this time you did it to be a troll. Not to protect your identity.
One cannot fathom why they chose real name over any kind of unique identifier. They HAVE to know its important to a lot of people. They can't be THAT stupid.
Does anyone honestly think that it makes a difference to the CONTENT of your posts if you were forced to post everywhere on the internet with your current forumID on this site, than with your full name?
I'm willing to bet the content won't change. It only becomes a decision based on the desire to post at all.
This is a very good point that this guy has made more than a few times. Why go with real names when you could get the job done with a single unique identifier for that account. It brings accountibility without the privacy concerns - if you're in the habit of being a bad poster/troll people will come to recognize your name. It will also help the moderators. They don't need to worry about IPs, cd keys, or any of that jazz. They can just simply hand out the punishment to the account tied to that name.
It adds far less accountability, as the quote above notes people aren't afraid of what other people thinks about their ID but they are afraid of what they think about the real them.
Basically what happens is that they don't post things that they wouldn't want people to know, if the only punishment against flaming is that they are now unable to post people would still flame. If however their friends and family can potentially find out about this behavior then it is an extremely strong deterrent.
On July 08 2010 03:36 Graven wrote: And again, if there was no danger in being harrassed then there'd be no prevention of flaming/trolling to begin with, which is what was intended.
No, the danger is not about being harassed ffs, the danger is that someone you already know and cares about in real life finds out. Also the dangers of being harassed for posting on a forum will be no more than the danger of being harassed for walking down the street irl. Sure, more reads your posts, but there are also much more posts to be read. If you argue in a topic, there will be 20 others arguing in the same topic, why would he track down just you? The only reason celebrities have a problem with things like this is because they are known by everyone, just because people can see your name on a forum doesn't mean that they know you. It is just like how people on the street can see your face which is extremely intimate information but do anyone actually care about it?
Names are not a big deal and since it doesn't even come with a picture it is even less intimate than what millions already have on facebook which is open to all. I bet that a stalker or harasser would more likely seek out people who live near them on facebook with a picture they like rather than attacking a random bnet poster which will be one in a million of faceless names.
Except it only adds accountability for people with uncommon names. John Smith can post whatever the hell he pleases because there's a million others out there.
It isn't perfect but it is the strongest accountability you can have.
Do you really need to bring in that level of accountibility? It's the forum of a game. Do you really need to be held accountible in real life for the things you say there? If you think so, you need to take GAMES a little less seriously.
What's wrong with the accountibility of a unique name? Sure it isn't as much as tieing posts about a GAME to their real life repuation ... which I think is a step over the line. You have a habit of flaming and trolling? Your account gets banned from posting in any forum tied to it. You want to post in a forum again ... you have to buy a new game. That's far enough imo.
When you discuss with other people it is no longer just a game.
I think that this will revolutionize internet forums to the better. Why was facebook so successful? Because it made people use their real names. Real names makes people take it much more seriously, and it only works as long as everyone do it which is why Blizzard needs to do it this way.
If it becomes a huge problem they will most likely change it to only include WoW, but in WoW it will work perfectly. Hopefully in the end people will realize that it isn't such a huge deal to reveal your name on the net.
My name is Johan Strååt if anyone wonders. You can probably dig up a picture with that, but who cares really...
Well we disagree on that. I think the forums discussing a game are still part of the game. Just a difference of opinion, not really much to say there.
Things like this are a problem to me. I'm an introverted person who really values privacy, and I personally don't use things like facebook. The stuff I want to share with the people I want to share it with I can already do without using sites like that.
As for revolutionizing internet forums and all that jazz ... that is exactly what I'm aprehensive about. If they start doing it for forums and everyone comes to accepts it ... what's next, where do they force you to slap your name on next? It may not be a huge deal for you or others, but for people like me who highly value their privacy ... it is. Edit: Is it because I act like an asshole online, flaming and trolling all over the place? No, it isn't. I don't do that stuff, I just simply value my privacy.
Except in real life, what you say isn't recorded and displayed for all eternity for anyone in the whole world to read.
But what exactly is so wrong with accountability?
"Accountability" is not that straightforward when involved with something so easily misinterpreted as written word on the internet.
It's one thing to be accountable for things you actually said. It's another story when people take quotes out of context, can't see sarcastic tone as it's not expressed well in written form, or just plain misunderstand you.
But this is no different then real life when people can twist what you say. If it acts as impetus for people to put more thought into what they're saying, then it's really hard to argue against.
In real life you have a limited audience in front of you, you know who that audience is, you know exactly what you're sharing with whom. If you don't want someone to know something, you don't talk about it in his presence.
The internet is a much more powerful medium. On the internet, your audience is potentially every single person who has access to a computer. That includes your family, all your friends, your teachers, the people at work, your future employers. It also includes criminals, thieves, crazies, etc., etc.. Even better, your message doesn't fade over time. Are you sure you want everything you write today to be associated with you 20 years from now? Do you really want just anyone in the world to be able to associate your post with a name and an address if he doesn't like what you write?
Thinking this is going to turn the battle.net forums into a great forum where nobody posts unless they've got something important to say is naive. The general quality of posting will probably go up as a result, but having all real names exposed on a forum like that is just asking for trouble.
But everything you post are potentially read by everyone in the world already! The only difference is that now people can associate those posts with the real you, aka it adds accountability.
On July 08 2010 03:33 789 wrote:
On July 08 2010 03:12 Bibdy wrote: Why does accountability require your full name?
Why can't they just use any personalized unique identifier for your forum persona?
Seriously, this is just a damn online video game forum. Why is it so important that it needs to plaster something like your full name around in order to create that accountability? You would achieve the exact same effect of accountability by forcing people to post with a single identifier on the account. Whether its real or not, its still locked to that account and you can't change it without buying another one. Exact same effect as buying another account to generate a fake full name, only this time you did it to be a troll. Not to protect your identity.
One cannot fathom why they chose real name over any kind of unique identifier. They HAVE to know its important to a lot of people. They can't be THAT stupid.
Does anyone honestly think that it makes a difference to the CONTENT of your posts if you were forced to post everywhere on the internet with your current forumID on this site, than with your full name?
I'm willing to bet the content won't change. It only becomes a decision based on the desire to post at all.
This is a very good point that this guy has made more than a few times. Why go with real names when you could get the job done with a single unique identifier for that account. It brings accountibility without the privacy concerns - if you're in the habit of being a bad poster/troll people will come to recognize your name. It will also help the moderators. They don't need to worry about IPs, cd keys, or any of that jazz. They can just simply hand out the punishment to the account tied to that name.
It adds far less accountability, as the quote above notes people aren't afraid of what other people thinks about their ID but they are afraid of what they think about the real them.
Basically what happens is that they don't post things that they wouldn't want people to know, if the only punishment against flaming is that they are now unable to post people would still flame. If however their friends and family can potentially find out about this behavior then it is an extremely strong deterrent.
On July 08 2010 03:36 Graven wrote: And again, if there was no danger in being harrassed then there'd be no prevention of flaming/trolling to begin with, which is what was intended.
No, the danger is not about being harassed ffs, the danger is that someone you already know and cares about in real life finds out. Also the dangers of being harassed for posting on a forum will be no more than the danger of being harassed for walking down the street irl. Sure, more reads your posts, but there are also much more posts to be read. If you argue in a topic, there will be 20 others arguing in the same topic, why would he track down just you? The only reason celebrities have a problem with things like this is because they are known by everyone, just because people can see your name on a forum doesn't mean that they know you. It is just like how people on the street can see your face which is extremely intimate information but do anyone actually care about it?
Names are not a big deal and since it doesn't even come with a picture it is even less intimate than what millions already have on facebook which is open to all. I bet that a stalker or harasser would more likely seek out people who live near them on facebook with a picture they like rather than attacking a random bnet poster which will be one in a million of faceless names.
Except it only adds accountability for people with uncommon names. John Smith can post whatever the hell he pleases because there's a million others out there.
It isn't perfect but it is the strongest accountability you can have.
Do you really need to bring in that level of accountibility? It's the forum of a game. Do you really need to be held accountible in real life for the things you say there? If you think so, you need to take GAMES a little less seriously.
What's wrong with the accountibility of a unique name? Sure it isn't as much as tieing posts about a GAME to their real life repuation ... which I think is a step over the line. You have a habit of flaming and trolling? Your account gets banned from posting in any forum tied to it. You want to post in a forum again ... you have to buy a new game. That's far enough imo.
When you discuss with other people it is no longer just a game.
I think that this will revolutionize internet forums to the better. Why was facebook so successful? Because it made people use their real names. Real names makes people take it much more seriously, and it only works as long as everyone do it which is why Blizzard needs to do it this way.
If it becomes a huge problem they will most likely change it to only include WoW, but in WoW it will work perfectly. Hopefully in the end people will realize that it isn't such a huge deal to reveal your name on the net.
My name is Johan Strååt if anyone wonders. You can probably dig up a picture with that, but who cares really...
You are ignoring the fact that a gaming habit is something you want to hide from certain high level employers. Perhaps even more seriously this risks completely shutting out people who work with children/as teachers since they many of them cannot be seen socializing at the same places as the children they teach, no matter if it's online or offline. police officers will suddenly have to behave in a videogame setting as they do in RL etc etc.... All in all there are lots of reason why people might want their online and offline lives separate even ignoring the saftety concerns that most proponents seem to think are insignificant.
I feel sorry for Bashiok thou - his intentions were good and he is a good guys, but this is why it is so dangerous - good people can get hurt .... badly....
"Accountability" is not that straightforward when involved with something so easily misinterpreted as written word on the internet.
It's one thing to be accountable for things you actually said. It's another story when people take quotes out of context, can't see sarcastic tone as it's not expressed well in written form, or just plain misunderstand you.
But this is no different then real life when people can twist what you say. If it acts as impetus for people to put more thought into what they're saying, then it's really hard to argue against.
In real life you have a limited audience in front of you, you know who that audience is, you know exactly what you're sharing with whom. If you don't want someone to know something, you don't talk about it in his presence.
The internet is a much more powerful medium. On the internet, your audience is potentially every single person who has access to a computer. That includes your family, all your friends, your teachers, the people at work, your future employers. It also includes criminals, thieves, crazies, etc., etc.. Even better, your message doesn't fade over time. Are you sure you want everything you write today to be associated with you 20 years from now? Do you really want just anyone in the world to be able to associate your post with a name and an address if he doesn't like what you write?
Thinking this is going to turn the battle.net forums into a great forum where nobody posts unless they've got something important to say is naive. The general quality of posting will probably go up as a result, but having all real names exposed on a forum like that is just asking for trouble.
But everything you post are potentially read by everyone in the world already! The only difference is that now people can associate those posts with the real you, aka it adds accountability.
On July 08 2010 03:33 789 wrote:
On July 08 2010 03:12 Bibdy wrote: Why does accountability require your full name?
Why can't they just use any personalized unique identifier for your forum persona?
Seriously, this is just a damn online video game forum. Why is it so important that it needs to plaster something like your full name around in order to create that accountability? You would achieve the exact same effect of accountability by forcing people to post with a single identifier on the account. Whether its real or not, its still locked to that account and you can't change it without buying another one. Exact same effect as buying another account to generate a fake full name, only this time you did it to be a troll. Not to protect your identity.
One cannot fathom why they chose real name over any kind of unique identifier. They HAVE to know its important to a lot of people. They can't be THAT stupid.
Does anyone honestly think that it makes a difference to the CONTENT of your posts if you were forced to post everywhere on the internet with your current forumID on this site, than with your full name?
I'm willing to bet the content won't change. It only becomes a decision based on the desire to post at all.
This is a very good point that this guy has made more than a few times. Why go with real names when you could get the job done with a single unique identifier for that account. It brings accountibility without the privacy concerns - if you're in the habit of being a bad poster/troll people will come to recognize your name. It will also help the moderators. They don't need to worry about IPs, cd keys, or any of that jazz. They can just simply hand out the punishment to the account tied to that name.
It adds far less accountability, as the quote above notes people aren't afraid of what other people thinks about their ID but they are afraid of what they think about the real them.
Basically what happens is that they don't post things that they wouldn't want people to know, if the only punishment against flaming is that they are now unable to post people would still flame. If however their friends and family can potentially find out about this behavior then it is an extremely strong deterrent.
On July 08 2010 03:36 Graven wrote: And again, if there was no danger in being harrassed then there'd be no prevention of flaming/trolling to begin with, which is what was intended.
No, the danger is not about being harassed ffs, the danger is that someone you already know and cares about in real life finds out. Also the dangers of being harassed for posting on a forum will be no more than the danger of being harassed for walking down the street irl. Sure, more reads your posts, but there are also much more posts to be read. If you argue in a topic, there will be 20 others arguing in the same topic, why would he track down just you? The only reason celebrities have a problem with things like this is because they are known by everyone, just because people can see your name on a forum doesn't mean that they know you. It is just like how people on the street can see your face which is extremely intimate information but do anyone actually care about it?
Names are not a big deal and since it doesn't even come with a picture it is even less intimate than what millions already have on facebook which is open to all. I bet that a stalker or harasser would more likely seek out people who live near them on facebook with a picture they like rather than attacking a random bnet poster which will be one in a million of faceless names.
Except it only adds accountability for people with uncommon names. John Smith can post whatever the hell he pleases because there's a million others out there.
It isn't perfect but it is the strongest accountability you can have.
Do you really need to bring in that level of accountibility? It's the forum of a game. Do you really need to be held accountible in real life for the things you say there? If you think so, you need to take GAMES a little less seriously.
What's wrong with the accountibility of a unique name? Sure it isn't as much as tieing posts about a GAME to their real life repuation ... which I think is a step over the line. You have a habit of flaming and trolling? Your account gets banned from posting in any forum tied to it. You want to post in a forum again ... you have to buy a new game. That's far enough imo.
When you discuss with other people it is no longer just a game.
I think that this will revolutionize internet forums to the better. Why was facebook so successful? Because it made people use their real names. Real names makes people take it much more seriously, and it only works as long as everyone do it which is why Blizzard needs to do it this way.
If it becomes a huge problem they will most likely change it to only include WoW, but in WoW it will work perfectly. Hopefully in the end people will realize that it isn't such a huge deal to reveal your name on the net.
My name is Johan Strååt if anyone wonders. You can probably dig up a picture with that, but who cares really...
You are ignoring the fact that a gaming habit is something you want to hide from certain high level employers. Perhaps even more seriously this risks completely shutting out people who work with children/as teachers since they many of them cannot be seen socializing at the same places as the children they teach, no matter if it's online or offline. police officers will suddenly have to behave in a videogame setting as they do in RL etc etc.... All in all there are lots of reason why people might want their online and offline lives separate even ignoring the saftety concerns that most proponents seem to think are insignificant.
I'd say that when people realize how common it is for people to game the stigma about gaming will stop. The only reason the stigma is still there is because it is possible for people to hide that they game, once people realize that just about every guy below the age of 30 games now and then it should stop, but since people are afraid of talking about it that isn't common knowledge.
2.) watches it but doesn't acknowledge the dozen+ great points it makes
(i know u werent replying to klockan but that's who im singling out because i already know he is actually an intelligent person)
She seems paranoid, not daring to speak in team speak just because she is afraid of people knowing that she is a female. And then in the end she starts to rant about a ton of random conspiracy theories, she seems to be very irrational.
Of course there are points that are of concern, but everybody seems to blow it all out of proportion. An extremely huge amount of people use facebook and they survived, this will not be even close as revealing as facebook is. Also Blizzard could add privacy options to disallow anyone who isn't a wow/sc2 player from viewing their posts, thus in an instant fixing all issues relating to your work or so.
On July 08 2010 03:06 TheYango wrote: [quote] "Accountability" is not that straightforward when involved with something so easily misinterpreted as written word on the internet.
It's one thing to be accountable for things you actually said. It's another story when people take quotes out of context, can't see sarcastic tone as it's not expressed well in written form, or just plain misunderstand you.
But this is no different then real life when people can twist what you say. If it acts as impetus for people to put more thought into what they're saying, then it's really hard to argue against.
In real life you have a limited audience in front of you, you know who that audience is, you know exactly what you're sharing with whom. If you don't want someone to know something, you don't talk about it in his presence.
The internet is a much more powerful medium. On the internet, your audience is potentially every single person who has access to a computer. That includes your family, all your friends, your teachers, the people at work, your future employers. It also includes criminals, thieves, crazies, etc., etc.. Even better, your message doesn't fade over time. Are you sure you want everything you write today to be associated with you 20 years from now? Do you really want just anyone in the world to be able to associate your post with a name and an address if he doesn't like what you write?
Thinking this is going to turn the battle.net forums into a great forum where nobody posts unless they've got something important to say is naive. The general quality of posting will probably go up as a result, but having all real names exposed on a forum like that is just asking for trouble.
But everything you post are potentially read by everyone in the world already! The only difference is that now people can associate those posts with the real you, aka it adds accountability.
On July 08 2010 03:33 789 wrote:
On July 08 2010 03:12 Bibdy wrote: Why does accountability require your full name?
Why can't they just use any personalized unique identifier for your forum persona?
Seriously, this is just a damn online video game forum. Why is it so important that it needs to plaster something like your full name around in order to create that accountability? You would achieve the exact same effect of accountability by forcing people to post with a single identifier on the account. Whether its real or not, its still locked to that account and you can't change it without buying another one. Exact same effect as buying another account to generate a fake full name, only this time you did it to be a troll. Not to protect your identity.
One cannot fathom why they chose real name over any kind of unique identifier. They HAVE to know its important to a lot of people. They can't be THAT stupid.
Does anyone honestly think that it makes a difference to the CONTENT of your posts if you were forced to post everywhere on the internet with your current forumID on this site, than with your full name?
I'm willing to bet the content won't change. It only becomes a decision based on the desire to post at all.
This is a very good point that this guy has made more than a few times. Why go with real names when you could get the job done with a single unique identifier for that account. It brings accountibility without the privacy concerns - if you're in the habit of being a bad poster/troll people will come to recognize your name. It will also help the moderators. They don't need to worry about IPs, cd keys, or any of that jazz. They can just simply hand out the punishment to the account tied to that name.
It adds far less accountability, as the quote above notes people aren't afraid of what other people thinks about their ID but they are afraid of what they think about the real them.
Basically what happens is that they don't post things that they wouldn't want people to know, if the only punishment against flaming is that they are now unable to post people would still flame. If however their friends and family can potentially find out about this behavior then it is an extremely strong deterrent.
On July 08 2010 03:36 Graven wrote: And again, if there was no danger in being harrassed then there'd be no prevention of flaming/trolling to begin with, which is what was intended.
No, the danger is not about being harassed ffs, the danger is that someone you already know and cares about in real life finds out. Also the dangers of being harassed for posting on a forum will be no more than the danger of being harassed for walking down the street irl. Sure, more reads your posts, but there are also much more posts to be read. If you argue in a topic, there will be 20 others arguing in the same topic, why would he track down just you? The only reason celebrities have a problem with things like this is because they are known by everyone, just because people can see your name on a forum doesn't mean that they know you. It is just like how people on the street can see your face which is extremely intimate information but do anyone actually care about it?
Names are not a big deal and since it doesn't even come with a picture it is even less intimate than what millions already have on facebook which is open to all. I bet that a stalker or harasser would more likely seek out people who live near them on facebook with a picture they like rather than attacking a random bnet poster which will be one in a million of faceless names.
Except it only adds accountability for people with uncommon names. John Smith can post whatever the hell he pleases because there's a million others out there.
It isn't perfect but it is the strongest accountability you can have.
Do you really need to bring in that level of accountibility? It's the forum of a game. Do you really need to be held accountible in real life for the things you say there? If you think so, you need to take GAMES a little less seriously.
What's wrong with the accountibility of a unique name? Sure it isn't as much as tieing posts about a GAME to their real life repuation ... which I think is a step over the line. You have a habit of flaming and trolling? Your account gets banned from posting in any forum tied to it. You want to post in a forum again ... you have to buy a new game. That's far enough imo.
When you discuss with other people it is no longer just a game.
I think that this will revolutionize internet forums to the better. Why was facebook so successful? Because it made people use their real names. Real names makes people take it much more seriously, and it only works as long as everyone do it which is why Blizzard needs to do it this way.
If it becomes a huge problem they will most likely change it to only include WoW, but in WoW it will work perfectly. Hopefully in the end people will realize that it isn't such a huge deal to reveal your name on the net.
My name is Johan Strååt if anyone wonders. You can probably dig up a picture with that, but who cares really...
You are ignoring the fact that a gaming habit is something you want to hide from certain high level employers. Perhaps even more seriously this risks completely shutting out people who work with children/as teachers since they many of them cannot be seen socializing at the same places as the children they teach, no matter if it's online or offline. police officers will suddenly have to behave in a videogame setting as they do in RL etc etc.... All in all there are lots of reason why people might want their online and offline lives separate even ignoring the saftety concerns that most proponents seem to think are insignificant.
I'd say that when people realize how common it is for people to game the stigma about gaming will stop.
2.) watches it but doesn't acknowledge the dozen+ great points it makes
(i know u werent replying to klockan but that's who im singling out because i already know he is actually an intelligent person)
She seems paranoid, not daring to speak in team speak just because she is afraid of people knowing that she is a female. And then in the end she starts to rant about a ton of random conspiracy theories, she seems to be very irrational.
Of course there are points that are of concern, but everybody seems to blow it all out of proportion. An extremely huge amount of people use facebook and they survived, this will not be even close as revealing as facebook is. Also Blizzard could add privacy options to disallow anyone who isn't a wow/sc2 player from viewing their posts, thus in an instant fixing all issues relating to your work or so.
Why did you ignore my point about teachers and police officers/offical people?
The stigma isn't going anywhere for another few years at the very least.
A huge amount of people also used facebook and got fucked in the ass by strict employers who didn't like people representing them drinking on their spare time etc, just because the majority does fine does not mean that everyone does I don't understand how you either can't see that or why you don't care.
Finally a girl playing wow not wanting the 14 year old horde to know she is female is not being irrational she is being sane. Like have you ever known a girl who playes games regulary online? The amount of shit many of them need to put up with if they happen to disclose their gender is mind numbing.
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