On July 08 2010 04:28 overt wrote: With just a first and last name it is simple to find someone's addressl, phone number, and other information on the internet. If you pay money you can find credit reports, and if they aren't a government employee you can get even more information on them from the Federal government.
All you really need is their name if it isn't common and if you have their state or province (which likely won't be hard to get) then you're good to go. An internet noob can do this, I'm sure people with ill intentions can do it as well, whether it be to harm someone or blackmail them. People can think that everyone is overreacting about this and stuff but for those of us who have grown up on the internet and seen some of the crazy shit people will do I can tell you right now that I will never post on the B.net forums as long as this policy is in place and I'd advise anyone else to do the same.
Yea, people keep saying the probability is low, but it doesn't matter because the probability is there. And with so many people on the internet it will happen.
On July 08 2010 04:28 overt wrote: With just a first and last name it is simple to find someone's addressl, phone number, and other information on the internet. If you pay money you can find credit reports, and if they aren't a government employee you can get even more information on them from the Federal government.
All you really need is their name if it isn't common and if you have their state or province (which likely won't be hard to get) then you're good to go. An internet noob can do this, I'm sure people with ill intentions can do it as well, whether it be to harm someone or blackmail them. People can think that everyone is overreacting about this and stuff but for those of us who have grown up on the internet and seen some of the crazy shit people will do I can tell you right now that I will never post on the B.net forums as long as this policy is in place and I'd advise anyone else to do the same.
Yea, people keep saying the probability is low, but it doesn't matter because the probability is there. And with so many people on the internet it will happen.
True story, I was apart of an internet community in which people found out a member's address, phone number, and their child's name and blackmailed them to leave the community. I don't want to have to stop playing StarCraft because someone I beat or someone I disagree with in a thread does this to me.
On July 08 2010 04:16 ta2 wrote: Most money is spent by the 18-24 and 24-30 categories, you'll find.
most people underage do not earn that much money. There's a study that more than 50% of several brutal video games are bought by female... guess who this could be?
On July 08 2010 04:28 overt wrote: With just a first and last name it is simple to find someone's addressl, phone number, and other information on the internet. If you pay money you can find credit reports, and if they aren't a government employee you can get even more information on them from the Federal government.
All you really need is their name if it isn't common and if you have their state or province (which likely won't be hard to get) then you're good to go. An internet noob can do this, I'm sure people with ill intentions can do it as well, whether it be to harm someone or blackmail them. People can think that everyone is overreacting about this and stuff but for those of us who have grown up on the internet and seen some of the crazy shit people will do I can tell you right now that I will never post on the B.net forums as long as this policy is in place and I'd advise anyone else to do the same.
Yea, people keep saying the probability is low, but it doesn't matter because the probability is there. And with so many people on the internet it will happen.
True story, I was apart of an internet community in which people found out a member's address, phone number, and their child's name and blackmailed them to leave the community. I don't want to have to stop playing StarCraft because someone I beat or someone I disagree with in a thread does this to me.
People you play against will not see your real name, your gaming account don't have to be associated with your forum account since you don't need to display your game id.
On July 08 2010 04:28 overt wrote: With just a first and last name it is simple to find someone's addressl, phone number, and other information on the internet. If you pay money you can find credit reports, and if they aren't a government employee you can get even more information on them from the Federal government.
All you really need is their name if it isn't common and if you have their state or province (which likely won't be hard to get) then you're good to go. An internet noob can do this, I'm sure people with ill intentions can do it as well, whether it be to harm someone or blackmail them. People can think that everyone is overreacting about this and stuff but for those of us who have grown up on the internet and seen some of the crazy shit people will do I can tell you right now that I will never post on the B.net forums as long as this policy is in place and I'd advise anyone else to do the same.
Yea, people keep saying the probability is low, but it doesn't matter because the probability is there. And with so many people on the internet it will happen.
There is also a probability that the guy in the store will steal your credit card number every time you shop there, it is extremely easy to do and they can shop a ton of things online with it. But do that make you stop using credit cards?
On July 08 2010 04:01 Pandonetho wrote: I can't wait to see how this all turns out.
I just find it absolutely hilarious that all of TL a couple of days ago was jumping into the "TL got me a job!" thread and saying how absolutely awesome it is, TL being known as one of the biggest SC gaming and competitive gaming site on the internet.
Now everyone is scared shitless that an employer is going to search them up and associate their name with a game.
Yeah, I really needed the laugh.
Depends on career. If you're in the IT industry, your boss is probably a gamer too. If you work in a finance industry run by a bunch of old fogies it might be frowned upon. Whatever the case, HR people are dumb as hell and anything and everything can be used against you.
On July 08 2010 04:16 ta2 wrote: Most money is spent by the 18-24 and 24-30 categories, you'll find.
most people underage do not earn that much money. There's a study that more than 50% of several brutal video games are bought by female... guess who this could be?
How likely is the community response to be attempts to e-stalk blizzard employees to get them to hate the system more than players do? I would hate to be a CM right now.
On July 08 2010 04:24 StarBrift wrote: This is great. I've been opposed to idiotic kids playing cool behind a fake identity since the internet began. If you don't have balls enough to say what you want to say in public, then don't say it at all. Blizzard is doing this to prevent trolling and abusive behavior. Well worth it imo.
And you honestly think endangering people by broadly outing them; Revealing almost everything about their lives is going to do any better ?
It will just create more paranoia for regular players and dive flamers/trolls deeper underground, kind of like those oh-so-intelligent terrorism laws...
I've stated it before but when I was 14-15, if I had access to a persons name and address, a few heated online arguments could have ended in a VERY bad way... And I wasn't the only one, about 95% of Q2-CS players were broadly immature, impulsive and cocky little brats asking for trouble.
On July 08 2010 04:35 travis wrote: There are an overwhelming number of reasons why this is a terrible idea.
I just want to slap the people who say it's a great idea, but don't acknowledge any of the billions of points why it's ridiculously stupid.
Durrr, I like it, it doesn't bother me! fuck everyone else!
If you don't like it then don't post there, it is that easy. None is forcing you to post there! What it do is to give those who want to be serious in a serious discussing a place to be, currently there are no such forums anywhere at all!
Blizzard are well aware that there are other places to go if you want to hide behind an alias.
On July 08 2010 04:24 StarBrift wrote: This is great. I've been opposed to idiotic kids playing cool behind a fake identity since the internet began. If you don't have balls enough to say what you want to say in public, then don't say it at all. Blizzard is doing this to prevent trolling and abusive behavior. Well worth it imo.
And you honestly think endangering people by broadly outing them; Revealing almost everything about their lives is going to do any better ?
It will just create more paranoia for regular players and dive flamers/trolls deeper underground, kind of like those oh-so-intelligent terrorism laws...
I've stated it before but when I was 14-15, if I had access to a persons name and address, a few heated online arguments could have ended in a VERY bad way... And I wasn't the only one, about 95% of Q2-CS players were broadly immature, impulsive and cocky little brats asking for trouble.
How old are you, seriously ?
Most likely you wouldn't have those heated arguments if you used your real names, otherwise this would happen all the time in real life. You know all of your classmates names, right? So if you hate one of your classmates can't you fuck him over like that as well? And isn't it much more likely to happen with classmates than random internet dudes?
My name is Johan Strååt if anyone wonders. You can probably dig up a picture with that, but who cares really...
The major concern people have is discrimination for jobs, not having a picture of you and your FB profile. I'm not sure every employer would hire someone speaking about how he would kill the Lich King...
On July 08 2010 04:28 overt wrote: With just a first and last name it is simple to find someone's addressl, phone number, and other information on the internet. If you pay money you can find credit reports, and if they aren't a government employee you can get even more information on them from the Federal government.
All you really need is their name if it isn't common and if you have their state or province (which likely won't be hard to get) then you're good to go. An internet noob can do this, I'm sure people with ill intentions can do it as well, whether it be to harm someone or blackmail them. People can think that everyone is overreacting about this and stuff but for those of us who have grown up on the internet and seen some of the crazy shit people will do I can tell you right now that I will never post on the B.net forums as long as this policy is in place and I'd advise anyone else to do the same.
Yea, people keep saying the probability is low, but it doesn't matter because the probability is there. And with so many people on the internet it will happen.
True story, I was apart of an internet community in which people found out a member's address, phone number, and their child's name and blackmailed them to leave the community. I don't want to have to stop playing StarCraft because someone I beat or someone I disagree with in a thread does this to me.
People you play against will not see your real name, your gaming account don't have to be associated with your forum account since you don't need to display your game id.
Then how does this remove the veil of anonymity? If I can use a different account to play my games on then the account I use to post on the forums then what's stopping me from making my name be John Smith or something? Honestly, I can't wait for there to be just as many flamers and annoying kids posting with the name Big Butts or something equally immature.
AH here its already 99 pages, on the WoW forums its over 1100 pages. Man this is blowing up in blizzards face, though I doubt they will actually change anything, I am almost certain that they knew this was going to happen if you check out the EU version of this thread on the blizzard forums ,you will see it.
On July 08 2010 04:28 overt wrote: With just a first and last name it is simple to find someone's addressl, phone number, and other information on the internet. If you pay money you can find credit reports, and if they aren't a government employee you can get even more information on them from the Federal government.
All you really need is their name if it isn't common and if you have their state or province (which likely won't be hard to get) then you're good to go. An internet noob can do this, I'm sure people with ill intentions can do it as well, whether it be to harm someone or blackmail them. People can think that everyone is overreacting about this and stuff but for those of us who have grown up on the internet and seen some of the crazy shit people will do I can tell you right now that I will never post on the B.net forums as long as this policy is in place and I'd advise anyone else to do the same.
Yea, people keep saying the probability is low, but it doesn't matter because the probability is there. And with so many people on the internet it will happen.
True story, I was apart of an internet community in which people found out a member's address, phone number, and their child's name and blackmailed them to leave the community. I don't want to have to stop playing StarCraft because someone I beat or someone I disagree with in a thread does this to me.
People you play against will not see your real name, your gaming account don't have to be associated with your forum account since you don't need to display your game id.
Then how does this remove the veil of anonymity? If I can use a different account to play my games on then the account I use to post on the forums then what's stopping me from making my name be John Smith or something? Honestly, I can't wait for there to be just as many flamers and annoying kids posting with the name Big Butts or something equally immature.
It is the same account, but you don't need to display the real name when you play and you don't need to display your gaming alias when you post on the forum.
On July 08 2010 04:35 travis wrote: There are an overwhelming number of reasons why this is a terrible idea.
I just want to slap the people who say it's a great idea, but don't acknowledge any of the billions of points why it's ridiculously stupid.
Durrr, I like it, it doesn't bother me! fuck everyone else!
If you don't like it then don't post there, it is that easy. None is forcing you to post there! What it do is to give those who want to be serious in a serious discussing a place to be, currently there are no such forums anywhere at all!
Blizzard are well aware that there are other places to go if you want to hide behind an alias.
On July 08 2010 04:24 StarBrift wrote: This is great. I've been opposed to idiotic kids playing cool behind a fake identity since the internet began. If you don't have balls enough to say what you want to say in public, then don't say it at all. Blizzard is doing this to prevent trolling and abusive behavior. Well worth it imo.
And you honestly think endangering people by broadly outing them; Revealing almost everything about their lives is going to do any better ?
It will just create more paranoia for regular players and dive flamers/trolls deeper underground, kind of like those oh-so-intelligent terrorism laws...
I've stated it before but when I was 14-15, if I had access to a persons name and address, a few heated online arguments could have ended in a VERY bad way... And I wasn't the only one, about 95% of Q2-CS players were broadly immature, impulsive and cocky little brats asking for trouble.
How old are you, seriously ?
Most likely you wouldn't have those heated arguments if you used your real names, otherwise this would happen all the time in real life. You know all of your classmates names, right? So if you hate one of your classmates can't you fuck him over like that as well? And isn't it much more likely to happen with classmates than random internet dudes?
Why do they need to use this sledgehammer approach?
What does a real ID do that a unique identifier doesn't? I notice you didn't respond to my previous response to you.
Do you expect people on the new forums to run around harassing forum trolls in order to keep the place constructive? Would that be the kind of forum and community you would want to contribute to?
How is this anything but using the threat of personal security as a weapon against forum trolling? There's a difference between accountability (something they can achieve by using unique identifiers) and using fear as a weapon (by doing THIS).
On July 08 2010 04:38 Klockan3 wrote: Most likely you wouldn't have those heated arguments if you used your real names, otherwise this would happen all the time in real life. You know all of your classmates names, right? So if you hate one of your classmates can't you fuck him over like that as well? And isn't it much more likely to happen with classmates than random internet dudes?
It's been a damn long time since I set foot in a school man... On internet people argue and flame eachother; It usually just dries down.
In real life, most arguments and flame wars involve people who A) don't even know their "opponents" name and B) according to crime stats more than often results in physical harm/death.
Your classmate comparison is illogic. A class is about 30 people the same age having more or less an equivalent opinion because after all... it's a fucking class !
Plus what you say in a class can not be traced back to you decades after you said it and neither can a lunatic dig your address and set your home ablaze because you griefed him in front of the board...
EPT
