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Challe
Profile Joined June 2010
Afghanistan58 Posts
June 16 2010 19:42 GMT
#21
sorry culdn't read the entire post tooo looong


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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
June 16 2010 19:42 GMT
#22
On June 17 2010 04:37 Backpack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2010 04:36 NevilleS wrote:
Give a modern day example of a company spending millions of dollars to produce a "soccer" equivalent..

Starcraft.

I don't follow the scene but Capcom's pretty serious about Street Fighter as well.
it's my first day
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
June 16 2010 19:43 GMT
#23
Same alou :D! Definetly don't think gaming has died, just that players have gotten better and what may have seemed really hard 10 years ago, is quiet easy now. (Now that you've learned micro/macro, and how to shoot fireballs at stuff, its easier to start multitasking so forth.)
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
June 16 2010 19:43 GMT
#24
On June 17 2010 04:38 Manilix wrote:
The gamining companies has not changed. More than likely you view of the games has. (and just to clarify i agree with some of your points)

I will however say that no matter the argument. Blizzard has ALWAYS delivered on every single game. Until that changes, this whole thread in fairly pointless, mainly due to the fact that you are complaining about a BETA product.

The products is not ready for realease, does bnet 2.0 has some critical errors, ehm, yes, doubt anyone will dispute that. But give them a little time and im sure that we will end up with the product we want. They need to keep us happy to keep the money comming for the expansions.


beta is done game comes out in less than a month. beta argument is a mute point- but nice try. Entertainment seekers rejoice when SC2 comes out!
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
Kletus
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
June 16 2010 19:43 GMT
#25
I may have missed the point of your post but I think it should be titled, "Gaming =/= ESPORTS."
Your resistance only serves to make my carapace harder.
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
June 16 2010 19:44 GMT
#26
On June 17 2010 04:39 Misrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2010 04:37 Backpack wrote:
On June 17 2010 04:35 Misrah wrote:
On June 17 2010 04:31 Backpack wrote:
On June 17 2010 04:30 Misrah wrote:
On June 17 2010 04:28 Backpack wrote:
You fail to realize that a game can be easy and remain competitive at the same time.

Look at any non e-sport. Kids start playing soccer or baseball or hockey when they're 6 years old. Does that mean the sport is made for little kids? Try telling that to the professional athletes and die-hard fans.

Just because it's available to more than just the top elite players doesn't mean it can't be competitive.


Nope that's called entertainment. Stop kidding yourself- understand what everything has becoem in the pursuit of money...


Did you read the next part of my post?

A 6 year old can play soccer just fine, but he will never be able to compete with a pro.

Explain that.


because a pro is 25 years old.

Also soccer is a mute point... it does not apply to the scope of this argument, this is a computer game. Soccer is not. Soccer is competitive, and nothing a 6 year old does should be considered competative- it's just entertainment.


Thank you for proving my point.

Starcraft is competitive. The pros play on a competitive level. A 6 year old (or a copper player) will be playing the game for entertainment. But they are playing the same game.



Starcraft BW was fine, SC2 will be fine.


lol soccer is not a video entertainment it's a physical sport. Once again it has no bearing on the scope of this argument. Everything in my OP is the reality of the games market today.


You just said that a 6 year old playing soccer would be considered entertainment.

I've made my point and its clear you don't want to accept anybody else's opinion so I'm not going to bother debating this anymore. If you want to resist the change in how gaming works, go for it. But i'm going to continue playing and continue to enjoy myself.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Talic_Zealot
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
688 Posts
June 16 2010 19:44 GMT
#27
It will be so funny to see what you think of your own thread in 3-4 years!
There are three types of people in the universe: those who can count, and those who cant.
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
June 16 2010 19:44 GMT
#28
There is no fake competition in starcraft unless you are talking about match fixing and win trading.



How can we create a game that gets people to play again and again?


competition?
"Mudkip"
jacen
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Austria3644 Posts
June 16 2010 19:44 GMT
#29
On June 17 2010 04:32 Misrah wrote:
Just look at this site- before drones, scv, and probes were not as common.. But now- just look how the entertainment industry has them swayed.


do you really prey on users with low postcount when you registered little over 2 years ago here yourself?
i also disagree with your writing. it really sounds like the rant of a spoiled kid.
i'm sorry.
(micronesia) lol we aren't going to just permban you (micronesia) "we" excludes Jinro
ROOTslush
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada170 Posts
June 16 2010 19:44 GMT
#30
I really dont understand the point of these articles anymore.

What are you trying to accomplish here? Starcraft 2 is fun AND competitive. nothing more to add.
gg no re.
NevilleS
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada266 Posts
June 16 2010 19:45 GMT
#31
On June 17 2010 04:37 Backpack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2010 04:36 NevilleS wrote:


Give a modern day example of a company spending millions of dollars to produce a "soccer" equivalent..

Starcraft.


Hopefully! It seems that it is indeed Blizzard's goal to deliver a blockbuster hit that has competitive depth, but their success in this regard is debatable. What's true is that they have very little direct fiscal incentive to do so, so they need to build a business model based around selling competitiveness, which I don't see any other companies doing. Maybe they expect to generate revenue from indirect sources like tournament fees and licensing deals instead of just pure game sales. I hope they have a plan and it means that management is willing to pay the development cost to continually balancing and tweaking the game years down the road.
EvilMaishidon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States125 Posts
June 16 2010 19:45 GMT
#32
Your right in money running the world, however, you got a lot of things wrong here. First off, the money seeking attitude is not carried by all companies. Take a look at the Halo series. Having played plenty of each one, i can safely say that the skill gap did not change throughout the series. as long as you are playing BR starts, the man with the better BR will win. I can go 1-15 against my more skilled friends in this game. From what i played of the beta, its looking like reach will follow in being very skill based. I'll give you MW2 and SSB, but not Bungie or the RTS portion of Blizzard (WOW is definitely money based.) The only two changes in SC2 that will have an effect on the skill level, are MBS and automine. Neither of which are really that big of deals IMO.
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
June 16 2010 19:45 GMT
#33
On June 17 2010 04:44 SLush wrote:
I really dont understand the point of these articles anymore.


It almost seems like people DO NOT want SC2 to succeed.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
June 16 2010 19:46 GMT
#34
blizz does not need to create a competitive game because no one knows what a competitive game is anymore. If you play SCBW, SSBM, SF, CS then yet you know what a steep learning curve feels like.

Blizz just needs to create a false sense of competition for their entertainment.

SC2 is entertainment, because that is what is going to appeal to the masses, and have everyone eating up sc2 part 2 and sc2 part 3.
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
June 16 2010 19:46 GMT
#35
You sound just like my grandma going "hiphop aint music!".

Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
June 16 2010 19:47 GMT
#36
On June 17 2010 04:45 Backpack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2010 04:44 SLush wrote:
I really dont understand the point of these articles anymore.


It almost seems like people DO NOT want SC2 to succeed.


sc2 will succeed- but it will be a flash in the pan game, so blizz can crank out more SC stuff to make more money on more entertainment.
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-16 19:50:05
June 16 2010 19:48 GMT
#37
On June 17 2010 04:46 Longshank wrote:
You sound just like my grandma going "hiphop aint music!".



hes right- it's not. Go listen to lacrimosa- i have it for you in the op.


On June 17 2010 04:45 used man wrote:
Your right in money running the world, however, you got a lot of things wrong here. First off, the money seeking attitude is not carried by all companies. Take a look at the Halo series. Having played plenty of each one, i can safely say that the skill gap did not change throughout the series. as long as you are playing BR starts, the man with the better BR will win. I can go 1-15 against my more skilled friends in this game. From what i played of the beta, its looking like reach will follow in being very skill based. I'll give you MW2 and SSB, but not Bungie or the RTS portion of Blizzard (WOW is definitely money based.) The only two changes in SC2 that will have an effect on the skill level, are MBS and automine. Neither of which are really that big of deals IMO.


lol halo 3 takes no skill. remember lunchbox and his crew? with revolver from wisconsin? ya used to play with those guys in h2. that was fun, now why did so many of the crew quit for h3?
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
June 16 2010 19:48 GMT
#38
Easy to learn, difficult to master. It's possible and it's out there. If the skill ceiling is too low, why are there still players and teams that stand out from the rest? Until there are tournaments with 20+ people who have about an equal chance of winning, skill ceilings aren't a problem.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
June 16 2010 19:48 GMT
#39
Just because the game is easy to play doesn't mean it's easy to master... You can't call yourself a pro gamer just by having good game mechanics and high APM without strategic/creative plays. SC2 is still in beta, without doubt that no one has discovered the full depths of the game, esepcially with the upcoming expansions. SC2's automations reduced many of the meaningless mechanics so that players can focus more on the "big picture", I personally dont have any complaints about it. It's simply a different game than BW and deserves to be treated separately.
mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
June 16 2010 19:48 GMT
#40
Would you please define your perception of what competition really is Misrah? You seem have a different view on what competition really is, than the posts you are responding to.

How can a 6 year old not be competitive? Ofc they can.

Competitive does not mean pro.
@Munck
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