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The bull doesn't enjoy a full happy life before being stabbed to death by a guy dressed as a clown. It is starved for days to weaken him. It has it legs beaten so it can't stand easily. They rub vaseline in his eyes to bur his vision.
Also I do not think enjoying watching an animal slowly die, cheering for the pain of the animal is the same as eating meat.
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United States5162 Posts
On June 10 2010 04:52 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 04:47 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:45 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:42 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:39 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Why does it feel like every time anyone brings up bullfighting (not just online, in general), 99% of people react by going "ANIMAL TORTURE ANIMAL TORTURE YOU TERRIBLE PERSON BLABLABLABLA NOT LISTENING TO YOU"
Firstly, anyone who eats beef and claims bullfighting is worse is deluding themselves. Thinking about the way the animal is killed fails to take into account a whole bunch of other things. Let me propose a couple of scenarios for you.
You may choose one of these two lives.
1)- You live in a small cell your entire life. You are not allowed contact with the opposite sex, and are fed periodically at certain intervals. One day, you are painlessly killed.
2)- You may eat, sleep, and have sex whenever you feel like. One day, a Hispanic man in tights kills you with a sword.
The idea that killing a bull for a bullfight is somehow wasteful is also bullshit. The world would be a better place overall if people stopped eating beef entirely. It is inefficient, and just as wasteful or resources that could be better expended feeding the hungry. Eating beef is a luxury, as is attending a bullfight.
Bullfights are cultural events that are, for the most part, no more or less evil than the meat or leather industries. Once you've fixed the legitimate abuses of animals that occur in the world, come after my corridas. Until then, kindly leave bullfighting the fuck alone. Stop letting the public and rather gory nature of the event get in the way of logic how about we get rid of the blatant abuse that we see happening in front of us? 1) We see african americans being blatently abused IN FRONT OF OUR EYES 2) we hear about africans across the sea being treated horrible i would hope to god we answer the problem that is presented to ourselves first Well... the farming factories mistreating cows is a far more pervasive problem than bullfighting... so I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make oh so just because cows are being treated more harshly in one area we should just let the other continue? You're now just being all over the place now. You were the one that said we should tackle the most apparent problem first. I pointed out that this most apparent problem is factories. And now you're saying the exact opposite... and @Myles Well your moral distinctions are firstly a) lost on the cows who are the ones getting killed and b) are really just a comfortable moral distinction you are trying to make to justify your own hypocrisy.
The cows are less important to me than the person doing the killing. They don't have rational thought and don't really understand what happening anyways. I care about the mental state someone must be in to take enjoyment from this kind of thing. If they enjoy something that like, than I enjoy them getting some of it back.
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On June 10 2010 04:54 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 04:52 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:47 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:45 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:42 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:39 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Why does it feel like every time anyone brings up bullfighting (not just online, in general), 99% of people react by going "ANIMAL TORTURE ANIMAL TORTURE YOU TERRIBLE PERSON BLABLABLABLA NOT LISTENING TO YOU"
Firstly, anyone who eats beef and claims bullfighting is worse is deluding themselves. Thinking about the way the animal is killed fails to take into account a whole bunch of other things. Let me propose a couple of scenarios for you.
You may choose one of these two lives.
1)- You live in a small cell your entire life. You are not allowed contact with the opposite sex, and are fed periodically at certain intervals. One day, you are painlessly killed.
2)- You may eat, sleep, and have sex whenever you feel like. One day, a Hispanic man in tights kills you with a sword.
The idea that killing a bull for a bullfight is somehow wasteful is also bullshit. The world would be a better place overall if people stopped eating beef entirely. It is inefficient, and just as wasteful or resources that could be better expended feeding the hungry. Eating beef is a luxury, as is attending a bullfight.
Bullfights are cultural events that are, for the most part, no more or less evil than the meat or leather industries. Once you've fixed the legitimate abuses of animals that occur in the world, come after my corridas. Until then, kindly leave bullfighting the fuck alone. Stop letting the public and rather gory nature of the event get in the way of logic how about we get rid of the blatant abuse that we see happening in front of us? 1) We see african americans being blatently abused IN FRONT OF OUR EYES 2) we hear about africans across the sea being treated horrible i would hope to god we answer the problem that is presented to ourselves first Well... the farming factories mistreating cows is a far more pervasive problem than bullfighting... so I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make oh so just because cows are being treated more harshly in one area we should just let the other continue? You're now just being all over the place now. You were the one that said we should tackle the most apparent problem first. I pointed out that this most apparent problem is factories. And now you're saying the exact opposite... and @Myles Well your moral distinctions are firstly a) lost on the cows who are the ones getting killed and b) are really just a comfortable moral distinction you are trying to make to justify your own hypocrisy. i am saying we should go after the more visible problem first do you see the farm system advertising the brutal mistreatment of animals? whereas in this carribas shit, people watch the brutal killings of animals for "entertainment" sick people the lot of you
We don't watch to see the animal get killed, we watch to see a man perform what amounts to a combination of dancing and daredevil stunts. They are a part of many hispanic cultures, and they require extreme amounts of daring and skill. Debate the ethics of the killing as much as you want, but don't misrepresent the motives of the audiences and the participants
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I think this thread/discussion has run it's course.
Most of us here agree that the mistreatment of animals is wrong, whether for the purposes of food or entertainment. This isn't really the thread to be discussing the treatment of for-food animals, however, and will only result in yet more yawn-inducing flaming/flame-baiting and general ignorance.
edit - oh damn. that was my 808th post.. Hmm, ok I'll just post this in commemoration of the iconic synth:
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Man poor guy. must have been super painful. Dont hate guys!
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On June 10 2010 04:54 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 04:52 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:47 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:45 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:42 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:39 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Why does it feel like every time anyone brings up bullfighting (not just online, in general), 99% of people react by going "ANIMAL TORTURE ANIMAL TORTURE YOU TERRIBLE PERSON BLABLABLABLA NOT LISTENING TO YOU"
Firstly, anyone who eats beef and claims bullfighting is worse is deluding themselves. Thinking about the way the animal is killed fails to take into account a whole bunch of other things. Let me propose a couple of scenarios for you.
You may choose one of these two lives.
1)- You live in a small cell your entire life. You are not allowed contact with the opposite sex, and are fed periodically at certain intervals. One day, you are painlessly killed.
2)- You may eat, sleep, and have sex whenever you feel like. One day, a Hispanic man in tights kills you with a sword.
The idea that killing a bull for a bullfight is somehow wasteful is also bullshit. The world would be a better place overall if people stopped eating beef entirely. It is inefficient, and just as wasteful or resources that could be better expended feeding the hungry. Eating beef is a luxury, as is attending a bullfight.
Bullfights are cultural events that are, for the most part, no more or less evil than the meat or leather industries. Once you've fixed the legitimate abuses of animals that occur in the world, come after my corridas. Until then, kindly leave bullfighting the fuck alone. Stop letting the public and rather gory nature of the event get in the way of logic how about we get rid of the blatant abuse that we see happening in front of us? 1) We see african americans being blatently abused IN FRONT OF OUR EYES 2) we hear about africans across the sea being treated horrible i would hope to god we answer the problem that is presented to ourselves first Well... the farming factories mistreating cows is a far more pervasive problem than bullfighting... so I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make oh so just because cows are being treated more harshly in one area we should just let the other continue? You're now just being all over the place now. You were the one that said we should tackle the most apparent problem first. I pointed out that this most apparent problem is factories. And now you're saying the exact opposite... and @Myles Well your moral distinctions are firstly a) lost on the cows who are the ones getting killed and b) are really just a comfortable moral distinction you are trying to make to justify your own hypocrisy. i am saying we should go after the more visible problem first do you see the farm system advertising the brutal mistreatment of animals? whereas in this carribas shit, people watch the brutal killings of animals for "entertainment" sick people the lot of you
Do you see carribas killing millions of cows? People know about the mistreatment of animals in farms. Eco Groups have been campaigning about that for decades. People just ignore it because it's inconvenient. Then when something like bullfighting comes along, everyone jumps on the bandwagon of condemnation to please their own sense of morality.
@Myles
If you are really concerned about the mental state of enjoyment, should you not give your condemnation to the spectators instead of the matador. It's could just be a job to him, it is definitely entertainment for them.
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Really ugly to look at, but they deserve it and it has to be expected.
If your messing with such an animal, you better not trip like a morron :D
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On June 10 2010 04:58 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 04:54 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:52 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:47 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:45 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:42 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:39 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Why does it feel like every time anyone brings up bullfighting (not just online, in general), 99% of people react by going "ANIMAL TORTURE ANIMAL TORTURE YOU TERRIBLE PERSON BLABLABLABLA NOT LISTENING TO YOU"
Firstly, anyone who eats beef and claims bullfighting is worse is deluding themselves. Thinking about the way the animal is killed fails to take into account a whole bunch of other things. Let me propose a couple of scenarios for you.
You may choose one of these two lives.
1)- You live in a small cell your entire life. You are not allowed contact with the opposite sex, and are fed periodically at certain intervals. One day, you are painlessly killed.
2)- You may eat, sleep, and have sex whenever you feel like. One day, a Hispanic man in tights kills you with a sword.
The idea that killing a bull for a bullfight is somehow wasteful is also bullshit. The world would be a better place overall if people stopped eating beef entirely. It is inefficient, and just as wasteful or resources that could be better expended feeding the hungry. Eating beef is a luxury, as is attending a bullfight.
Bullfights are cultural events that are, for the most part, no more or less evil than the meat or leather industries. Once you've fixed the legitimate abuses of animals that occur in the world, come after my corridas. Until then, kindly leave bullfighting the fuck alone. Stop letting the public and rather gory nature of the event get in the way of logic how about we get rid of the blatant abuse that we see happening in front of us? 1) We see african americans being blatently abused IN FRONT OF OUR EYES 2) we hear about africans across the sea being treated horrible i would hope to god we answer the problem that is presented to ourselves first Well... the farming factories mistreating cows is a far more pervasive problem than bullfighting... so I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make oh so just because cows are being treated more harshly in one area we should just let the other continue? You're now just being all over the place now. You were the one that said we should tackle the most apparent problem first. I pointed out that this most apparent problem is factories. And now you're saying the exact opposite... and @Myles Well your moral distinctions are firstly a) lost on the cows who are the ones getting killed and b) are really just a comfortable moral distinction you are trying to make to justify your own hypocrisy. i am saying we should go after the more visible problem first do you see the farm system advertising the brutal mistreatment of animals? whereas in this carribas shit, people watch the brutal killings of animals for "entertainment" sick people the lot of you We don't watch to see the animal get killed, we watch to see a man perform what amounts to a combination of dancing and daredevil stunts. They are a part of many hispanic cultures, and they require extreme amounts of daring and skill. Debate the ethics of the killing as much as you want, but don't misrepresent the motives of the audiences and the participants
so you go to watch a man dressed in tights kill a weaken bull.. by dancing?
do something less .. bloodthirsty and watch a ballet?
do you really need to rationalize your existance by watching the pointless pomp and ceremony over killing an animal?
On June 10 2010 04:57 Sclerosis wrote:
The bull doesn't enjoy a full happy life before being stabbed to death by a guy dressed as a clown. It is starved for days to weaken him. It has it legs beaten so it can't stand easily. They rub vaseline in his eyes to bur his vision.
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On June 10 2010 05:00 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 04:54 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:52 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:47 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:45 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:42 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:39 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Why does it feel like every time anyone brings up bullfighting (not just online, in general), 99% of people react by going "ANIMAL TORTURE ANIMAL TORTURE YOU TERRIBLE PERSON BLABLABLABLA NOT LISTENING TO YOU"
Firstly, anyone who eats beef and claims bullfighting is worse is deluding themselves. Thinking about the way the animal is killed fails to take into account a whole bunch of other things. Let me propose a couple of scenarios for you.
You may choose one of these two lives.
1)- You live in a small cell your entire life. You are not allowed contact with the opposite sex, and are fed periodically at certain intervals. One day, you are painlessly killed.
2)- You may eat, sleep, and have sex whenever you feel like. One day, a Hispanic man in tights kills you with a sword.
The idea that killing a bull for a bullfight is somehow wasteful is also bullshit. The world would be a better place overall if people stopped eating beef entirely. It is inefficient, and just as wasteful or resources that could be better expended feeding the hungry. Eating beef is a luxury, as is attending a bullfight.
Bullfights are cultural events that are, for the most part, no more or less evil than the meat or leather industries. Once you've fixed the legitimate abuses of animals that occur in the world, come after my corridas. Until then, kindly leave bullfighting the fuck alone. Stop letting the public and rather gory nature of the event get in the way of logic how about we get rid of the blatant abuse that we see happening in front of us? 1) We see african americans being blatently abused IN FRONT OF OUR EYES 2) we hear about africans across the sea being treated horrible i would hope to god we answer the problem that is presented to ourselves first Well... the farming factories mistreating cows is a far more pervasive problem than bullfighting... so I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make oh so just because cows are being treated more harshly in one area we should just let the other continue? You're now just being all over the place now. You were the one that said we should tackle the most apparent problem first. I pointed out that this most apparent problem is factories. And now you're saying the exact opposite... and @Myles Well your moral distinctions are firstly a) lost on the cows who are the ones getting killed and b) are really just a comfortable moral distinction you are trying to make to justify your own hypocrisy. i am saying we should go after the more visible problem first do you see the farm system advertising the brutal mistreatment of animals? whereas in this carribas shit, people watch the brutal killings of animals for "entertainment" sick people the lot of you Do you see carribas killing millions of cows? People know about the mistreatment of animals in farms. Eco Groups have been campaigning about that for decades. People just ignore it because it's inconvenient. Then when something like bullfighting comes along, everyone jumps on the bandwagon of condemnation to please their own sense of morality.
ima turn you over to mint_julep's quote.
we "ignore it because it's inconvenient" .. that may be true but we also have the sense of decency to know when something is really inhumane in honestly kinda stupid. why so much pomp and ceremony over killing an animal?
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Why eating beef does not equal bullfighting:
A) The world CANNOT sustain 100% vegetarians. 1) we need proteins 2) other forms of protein intake and in general vegetarian diets are more expensive and require more land to make.
B) Even if you assume A to be false, in bullfighting they are literally torturing the bull. They will tie their testicles together to make them more angry. That does not equal eating meat for pleasure.
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is awesome32278 Posts
On June 10 2010 04:58 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 04:54 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:52 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:47 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:45 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:42 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:39 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Why does it feel like every time anyone brings up bullfighting (not just online, in general), 99% of people react by going "ANIMAL TORTURE ANIMAL TORTURE YOU TERRIBLE PERSON BLABLABLABLA NOT LISTENING TO YOU"
Firstly, anyone who eats beef and claims bullfighting is worse is deluding themselves. Thinking about the way the animal is killed fails to take into account a whole bunch of other things. Let me propose a couple of scenarios for you.
You may choose one of these two lives.
1)- You live in a small cell your entire life. You are not allowed contact with the opposite sex, and are fed periodically at certain intervals. One day, you are painlessly killed.
2)- You may eat, sleep, and have sex whenever you feel like. One day, a Hispanic man in tights kills you with a sword.
The idea that killing a bull for a bullfight is somehow wasteful is also bullshit. The world would be a better place overall if people stopped eating beef entirely. It is inefficient, and just as wasteful or resources that could be better expended feeding the hungry. Eating beef is a luxury, as is attending a bullfight.
Bullfights are cultural events that are, for the most part, no more or less evil than the meat or leather industries. Once you've fixed the legitimate abuses of animals that occur in the world, come after my corridas. Until then, kindly leave bullfighting the fuck alone. Stop letting the public and rather gory nature of the event get in the way of logic how about we get rid of the blatant abuse that we see happening in front of us? 1) We see african americans being blatently abused IN FRONT OF OUR EYES 2) we hear about africans across the sea being treated horrible i would hope to god we answer the problem that is presented to ourselves first Well... the farming factories mistreating cows is a far more pervasive problem than bullfighting... so I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make oh so just because cows are being treated more harshly in one area we should just let the other continue? You're now just being all over the place now. You were the one that said we should tackle the most apparent problem first. I pointed out that this most apparent problem is factories. And now you're saying the exact opposite... and @Myles Well your moral distinctions are firstly a) lost on the cows who are the ones getting killed and b) are really just a comfortable moral distinction you are trying to make to justify your own hypocrisy. i am saying we should go after the more visible problem first do you see the farm system advertising the brutal mistreatment of animals? whereas in this carribas shit, people watch the brutal killings of animals for "entertainment" sick people the lot of you We don't watch to see the animal get killed, we watch to see a man perform what amounts to a combination of dancing and daredevil stunts. They are a part of many hispanic cultures, and they require extreme amounts of daring and skill. Debate the ethics of the killing as much as you want, but don't misrepresent the motives of the audiences and the participants
If that's what the public wants, wouldn't they be better off just dancing with the bull and then letting him go alive?
I mean the crowd would be happy and they would not get bad criticism for it.
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For me i equate bullfighting to gladiator fights. You call it tradition i call it senseless violence.
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On June 10 2010 05:02 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 05:00 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:54 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:52 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:47 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:45 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:42 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:39 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Why does it feel like every time anyone brings up bullfighting (not just online, in general), 99% of people react by going "ANIMAL TORTURE ANIMAL TORTURE YOU TERRIBLE PERSON BLABLABLABLA NOT LISTENING TO YOU"
Firstly, anyone who eats beef and claims bullfighting is worse is deluding themselves. Thinking about the way the animal is killed fails to take into account a whole bunch of other things. Let me propose a couple of scenarios for you.
You may choose one of these two lives.
1)- You live in a small cell your entire life. You are not allowed contact with the opposite sex, and are fed periodically at certain intervals. One day, you are painlessly killed.
2)- You may eat, sleep, and have sex whenever you feel like. One day, a Hispanic man in tights kills you with a sword.
The idea that killing a bull for a bullfight is somehow wasteful is also bullshit. The world would be a better place overall if people stopped eating beef entirely. It is inefficient, and just as wasteful or resources that could be better expended feeding the hungry. Eating beef is a luxury, as is attending a bullfight.
Bullfights are cultural events that are, for the most part, no more or less evil than the meat or leather industries. Once you've fixed the legitimate abuses of animals that occur in the world, come after my corridas. Until then, kindly leave bullfighting the fuck alone. Stop letting the public and rather gory nature of the event get in the way of logic how about we get rid of the blatant abuse that we see happening in front of us? 1) We see african americans being blatently abused IN FRONT OF OUR EYES 2) we hear about africans across the sea being treated horrible i would hope to god we answer the problem that is presented to ourselves first Well... the farming factories mistreating cows is a far more pervasive problem than bullfighting... so I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make oh so just because cows are being treated more harshly in one area we should just let the other continue? You're now just being all over the place now. You were the one that said we should tackle the most apparent problem first. I pointed out that this most apparent problem is factories. And now you're saying the exact opposite... and @Myles Well your moral distinctions are firstly a) lost on the cows who are the ones getting killed and b) are really just a comfortable moral distinction you are trying to make to justify your own hypocrisy. i am saying we should go after the more visible problem first do you see the farm system advertising the brutal mistreatment of animals? whereas in this carribas shit, people watch the brutal killings of animals for "entertainment" sick people the lot of you Do you see carribas killing millions of cows? People know about the mistreatment of animals in farms. Eco Groups have been campaigning about that for decades. People just ignore it because it's inconvenient. Then when something like bullfighting comes along, everyone jumps on the bandwagon of condemnation to please their own sense of morality. ima turn you over to mint_julep's quote. we "ignore it because it's inconvenient" .. that may be true but we also have the sense of decency to know when something is really inhumane in honestly kinda stupid. why so much pomp and ceremony over killing an animal?
So if you acknowledge that it's a fact being ignored... doesn't that make it the more visible problem. That we should solve first. The big visible problem that you are ignoring?
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On June 10 2010 04:44 KinosJourney2 wrote:
He got owned pretty hard, anyone torturing animals like this deserves to get a horn where he did.
Can't watch video, restricted for people over 18 -_-
just lie about your age..
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On June 10 2010 03:08 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 03:05 IntoTheWow wrote:On June 10 2010 03:04 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Wait why all the hate on him? None of you guys eat beef or what? =/ Killing to eat != killing for entertainment. Beef isn't needed to sustain human life. Humans eat it for pleasure. Eating beef is killing for pleasure, just the same.
Kind of a silly comment on the issue imo.
While beef in itself is not needed to sustain life in 2010, there is a reason to why we eat it. It's not like we suddenly in 1980 went "OMG WE CAN EAT THIS NEW DELICIOUS FLESH!", no.
Evidence show that somewhere around 7500BC(I think) domesticated cattle occured, which provided much needed resources. Not only beef, but milk and leather(and raw materials for making arrowheads). And even before this - obviously - there are evidence of hunting wild cattle for these purposes.
The meat from cows/oxen etc have been the number 1 source of many minerals such as zinc, iron, B vitamins and more. In addition to this, beef also has the highest values of creatine, which in short helps supply enegery to your muscles.
I'm going out on a limb a little here, but I'm fairly sure that the report from a study done somewhere around 1995, showed that somethink like 85% of all cattle in the world, would die within a month of being released into the wild, simply because they can not adapt to the wilderness after being domesticated for thousands of years. They do not have the immune system for it, but more importantly they lack that basic instinct every wild animal has; knowing what is dangerous and what other animals are craving to eat them.
If you want to jump on the 'save the cow' band wagon, be my guest. Unfortunately I think you'll only waste your time and energy.
PS: Oh and, fuck that bull fighter. I hope he gets in the ring again, and gets pierced through the eyeball next time. That 'sport' pisses me off, and I felt no sympathy for the devil(go stones!).
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I understand that it's a Spanish tradition but people should seriously reconsider their stance, in this day and age. Seriously. Would you be entertained by that?
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On June 10 2010 05:00 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 04:58 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:On June 10 2010 04:54 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:52 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:47 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:45 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:42 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:39 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Why does it feel like every time anyone brings up bullfighting (not just online, in general), 99% of people react by going "ANIMAL TORTURE ANIMAL TORTURE YOU TERRIBLE PERSON BLABLABLABLA NOT LISTENING TO YOU"
Firstly, anyone who eats beef and claims bullfighting is worse is deluding themselves. Thinking about the way the animal is killed fails to take into account a whole bunch of other things. Let me propose a couple of scenarios for you.
You may choose one of these two lives.
1)- You live in a small cell your entire life. You are not allowed contact with the opposite sex, and are fed periodically at certain intervals. One day, you are painlessly killed.
2)- You may eat, sleep, and have sex whenever you feel like. One day, a Hispanic man in tights kills you with a sword.
The idea that killing a bull for a bullfight is somehow wasteful is also bullshit. The world would be a better place overall if people stopped eating beef entirely. It is inefficient, and just as wasteful or resources that could be better expended feeding the hungry. Eating beef is a luxury, as is attending a bullfight.
Bullfights are cultural events that are, for the most part, no more or less evil than the meat or leather industries. Once you've fixed the legitimate abuses of animals that occur in the world, come after my corridas. Until then, kindly leave bullfighting the fuck alone. Stop letting the public and rather gory nature of the event get in the way of logic how about we get rid of the blatant abuse that we see happening in front of us? 1) We see african americans being blatently abused IN FRONT OF OUR EYES 2) we hear about africans across the sea being treated horrible i would hope to god we answer the problem that is presented to ourselves first Well... the farming factories mistreating cows is a far more pervasive problem than bullfighting... so I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make oh so just because cows are being treated more harshly in one area we should just let the other continue? You're now just being all over the place now. You were the one that said we should tackle the most apparent problem first. I pointed out that this most apparent problem is factories. And now you're saying the exact opposite... and @Myles Well your moral distinctions are firstly a) lost on the cows who are the ones getting killed and b) are really just a comfortable moral distinction you are trying to make to justify your own hypocrisy. i am saying we should go after the more visible problem first do you see the farm system advertising the brutal mistreatment of animals? whereas in this carribas shit, people watch the brutal killings of animals for "entertainment" sick people the lot of you We don't watch to see the animal get killed, we watch to see a man perform what amounts to a combination of dancing and daredevil stunts. They are a part of many hispanic cultures, and they require extreme amounts of daring and skill. Debate the ethics of the killing as much as you want, but don't misrepresent the motives of the audiences and the participants so you go to watch a man dressed in tights kill a weaken bull.. by dancing? do something less .. bloodthirsty and watch a ballet? do you really need to rationalize your existance by watching the pointless pomp and ceremony over killing an animal? Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 04:57 Sclerosis wrote:
The bull doesn't enjoy a full happy life before being stabbed to death by a guy dressed as a clown. It is starved for days to weaken him. It has it legs beaten so it can't stand easily. They rub vaseline in his eyes to bur his vision.
I very much enjoy the ballet. I also enjoy going to the corrida with my father and grandfather. I'm not rationalizing my existence by going to watch it. It's a sport I enjoy watching, and a part of my cultural tradition. If this makes me a horrible person in your eyes, so be it.
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On June 10 2010 05:05 levelping wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 05:02 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 05:00 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:54 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:52 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:47 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:45 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:42 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:39 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Why does it feel like every time anyone brings up bullfighting (not just online, in general), 99% of people react by going "ANIMAL TORTURE ANIMAL TORTURE YOU TERRIBLE PERSON BLABLABLABLA NOT LISTENING TO YOU"
Firstly, anyone who eats beef and claims bullfighting is worse is deluding themselves. Thinking about the way the animal is killed fails to take into account a whole bunch of other things. Let me propose a couple of scenarios for you.
You may choose one of these two lives.
1)- You live in a small cell your entire life. You are not allowed contact with the opposite sex, and are fed periodically at certain intervals. One day, you are painlessly killed.
2)- You may eat, sleep, and have sex whenever you feel like. One day, a Hispanic man in tights kills you with a sword.
The idea that killing a bull for a bullfight is somehow wasteful is also bullshit. The world would be a better place overall if people stopped eating beef entirely. It is inefficient, and just as wasteful or resources that could be better expended feeding the hungry. Eating beef is a luxury, as is attending a bullfight.
Bullfights are cultural events that are, for the most part, no more or less evil than the meat or leather industries. Once you've fixed the legitimate abuses of animals that occur in the world, come after my corridas. Until then, kindly leave bullfighting the fuck alone. Stop letting the public and rather gory nature of the event get in the way of logic how about we get rid of the blatant abuse that we see happening in front of us? 1) We see african americans being blatently abused IN FRONT OF OUR EYES 2) we hear about africans across the sea being treated horrible i would hope to god we answer the problem that is presented to ourselves first Well... the farming factories mistreating cows is a far more pervasive problem than bullfighting... so I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make oh so just because cows are being treated more harshly in one area we should just let the other continue? You're now just being all over the place now. You were the one that said we should tackle the most apparent problem first. I pointed out that this most apparent problem is factories. And now you're saying the exact opposite... and @Myles Well your moral distinctions are firstly a) lost on the cows who are the ones getting killed and b) are really just a comfortable moral distinction you are trying to make to justify your own hypocrisy. i am saying we should go after the more visible problem first do you see the farm system advertising the brutal mistreatment of animals? whereas in this carribas shit, people watch the brutal killings of animals for "entertainment" sick people the lot of you Do you see carribas killing millions of cows? People know about the mistreatment of animals in farms. Eco Groups have been campaigning about that for decades. People just ignore it because it's inconvenient. Then when something like bullfighting comes along, everyone jumps on the bandwagon of condemnation to please their own sense of morality. ima turn you over to mint_julep's quote. we "ignore it because it's inconvenient" .. that may be true but we also have the sense of decency to know when something is really inhumane in honestly kinda stupid. why so much pomp and ceremony over killing an animal? So if you acknowledge that it's a fact being ignored... doesn't that make it the more visible problem. That we should solve first. The big visible problem that you are ignoring?
how about the big problem that the majority of the public are ignoring. but by saying we should turn a blind eye to bull fighting is ridiculous. Of course i agree that the farm system should be changed, but by saying that the farm system is horrible and the bullfighting system should be left untouched because of it is ridiculous
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On June 10 2010 05:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 05:00 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:58 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:On June 10 2010 04:54 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:52 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:47 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:45 levelping wrote:On June 10 2010 04:42 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On June 10 2010 04:39 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Why does it feel like every time anyone brings up bullfighting (not just online, in general), 99% of people react by going "ANIMAL TORTURE ANIMAL TORTURE YOU TERRIBLE PERSON BLABLABLABLA NOT LISTENING TO YOU"
Firstly, anyone who eats beef and claims bullfighting is worse is deluding themselves. Thinking about the way the animal is killed fails to take into account a whole bunch of other things. Let me propose a couple of scenarios for you.
You may choose one of these two lives.
1)- You live in a small cell your entire life. You are not allowed contact with the opposite sex, and are fed periodically at certain intervals. One day, you are painlessly killed.
2)- You may eat, sleep, and have sex whenever you feel like. One day, a Hispanic man in tights kills you with a sword.
The idea that killing a bull for a bullfight is somehow wasteful is also bullshit. The world would be a better place overall if people stopped eating beef entirely. It is inefficient, and just as wasteful or resources that could be better expended feeding the hungry. Eating beef is a luxury, as is attending a bullfight.
Bullfights are cultural events that are, for the most part, no more or less evil than the meat or leather industries. Once you've fixed the legitimate abuses of animals that occur in the world, come after my corridas. Until then, kindly leave bullfighting the fuck alone. Stop letting the public and rather gory nature of the event get in the way of logic how about we get rid of the blatant abuse that we see happening in front of us? 1) We see african americans being blatently abused IN FRONT OF OUR EYES 2) we hear about africans across the sea being treated horrible i would hope to god we answer the problem that is presented to ourselves first Well... the farming factories mistreating cows is a far more pervasive problem than bullfighting... so I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make oh so just because cows are being treated more harshly in one area we should just let the other continue? You're now just being all over the place now. You were the one that said we should tackle the most apparent problem first. I pointed out that this most apparent problem is factories. And now you're saying the exact opposite... and @Myles Well your moral distinctions are firstly a) lost on the cows who are the ones getting killed and b) are really just a comfortable moral distinction you are trying to make to justify your own hypocrisy. i am saying we should go after the more visible problem first do you see the farm system advertising the brutal mistreatment of animals? whereas in this carribas shit, people watch the brutal killings of animals for "entertainment" sick people the lot of you We don't watch to see the animal get killed, we watch to see a man perform what amounts to a combination of dancing and daredevil stunts. They are a part of many hispanic cultures, and they require extreme amounts of daring and skill. Debate the ethics of the killing as much as you want, but don't misrepresent the motives of the audiences and the participants so you go to watch a man dressed in tights kill a weaken bull.. by dancing? do something less .. bloodthirsty and watch a ballet? do you really need to rationalize your existance by watching the pointless pomp and ceremony over killing an animal? On June 10 2010 04:57 Sclerosis wrote:
The bull doesn't enjoy a full happy life before being stabbed to death by a guy dressed as a clown. It is starved for days to weaken him. It has it legs beaten so it can't stand easily. They rub vaseline in his eyes to bur his vision.
I very much enjoy the ballet. I also enjoy going to the corrida with my father and grandfather. I'm not rationalizing my existence by going to watch it. It's a sport I enjoy watching, and a part of my cultural tradition. If this makes me a horrible person in your eyes, so be it.
my culture also condones the eating of dogs during special ceremonies.
i dont do it . why? because i think its inhumane and frankly gross.
you do it because everyone like you does it.
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