[NSFW?] Beautiful bull-fighting fail.

On June 10 2010 02:58 distant_voice wrote:
fucker had it coming to him. still no need to make a thread to celebrate his misery.

On June 10 2010 03:00 Lycaeus wrote:
It's a little graphic, but these assholes deserve to be gored in the ass.

On June 10 2010 02:58 distant_voice wrote:
fucker had it coming to him. still no need to make a thread to celebrate his misery.

On June 10 2010 03:04 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Wait why all the hate on him? None of you guys eat beef or what? =/

On June 10 2010 03:05 keNn) wrote:
I'm sorry but are you all vegetarians?

edit: so you don't celebrate/happy when you see a whole/piece fried chicken or a roasted beef in your plate?

On June 10 2010 03:05 IntoTheWow wrote:


Killing to eat != killing for entertainment.

On June 10 2010 03:08 Liquid`NonY wrote:

Beef isn't needed to sustain human life. Humans eat it for pleasure. Eating beef is killing for pleasure, just the same.

On June 10 2010 03:11 IntoTheWow wrote:
I did not use the word pleasure, I said entertainment. I also did not talk about sustaining human life, but eating.

Nice try though!

On June 10 2010 03:08 Liquid`NonY wrote:

Beef isn't needed to sustain human life. Humans eat it for pleasure. Eating beef is killing for pleasure, just the same.

On June 10 2010 03:05 IntoTheWow wrote:


Killing to eat != killing for entertainment.

On June 10 2010 03:08 Liquid`NonY wrote:

Beef isn't needed to sustain human life. Humans eat it for pleasure. Eating beef is killing for pleasure, just the same.

On June 10 2010 03:04 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Wait why all the hate on him? None of you guys eat beef or what? =/

On June 10 2010 03:16 katull wrote:
To those who condemn bullfighting (and thus consider this funny):

I hold this sport for equally brutal and vicious, but I don't condemn this sport.
Not all bulls tested and bred for this have to endure this fight, and all of them are held in conditions unequal to any farming/breeding conditions you find in Europe. I don't want to write "happy cows", but this is as close as you can get...

If you eat meat as I do, consider how those animals are kept, and if you find that you don't really care, you shouldn't judge those who kill them for the barbaric enjoyment of the masses while *not* keeping them in small confinements all day long, transport them brutally for hours without water or food just to throw half of the meat away because it's cheap anyway.

I have more to write (and cite) but I'll wait for the first responses ^^

On June 10 2010 03:14 Stuyvesant wrote:
Kangaroo meats are far more healthier than cows though.
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On June 10 2010 03:11 Zoler wrote:


Torturing and killing isn't the same.

On June 10 2010 03:11 IntoTheWow wrote:
I did not use the word pleasure, I said entertainment. I also did not talk about sustaining human life, but eating.

Nice try though!

edit: also, Zoler

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On June 10 2010 02:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
I'm glad this happened.

On June 10 2010 02:56 Corrupt wrote:
Holy cow!

On June 10 2010 03:23 IntoTheWow wrote:


2 wrongs != 1 right

On June 10 2010 03:12 Thrill wrote:


That's not even relevant to the argument. Yeah, we eat beef for pleasure but most of us who purchase packed meat assume that the animal has been put down humanly. There's a huge difference to assumed humane killing (i realize this is not always the case, but it is by principle illegal and when a case surfaces that animals have been killed in an inhumane fashion, it always makes headline news at least where i live) and intended suffering for entertainment. Go troll somewhere else.

On June 10 2010 03:34 katull wrote:


So you are saying he deserved this? Could you laugh at this?
By that logic (considering my prior points) anyone who eats meat deserves the same. Is that your point? Please elaborate
I'm not praising the sport, I'm praising the way they keep their cattle. If I would have to chose as a cow, I'd rather live happily and fight unfairly than being tortured all my life...

On June 10 2010 03:34 Pengu1n wrote:


Whether the animal is put down humanly or not its still being killed when it wants to live. The matadors and the people who enjoy the fights look it with the idea that the bull is going to be killed anyways, at least this way it has a chance of dieing with honor, maybe more painfully but the bull also has a chance to fight back against its killer. I would prefer myself to die with a fight than be put down involuntarily with no chance to do anything.

On June 10 2010 03:11 IntoTheWow wrote:
I did not use the word pleasure, I said entertainment. I also did not talk about sustaining human life, but eating.

Nice try though!

edit: also, Zoler

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On June 10 2010 03:34 Pengu1n wrote:


Whether the animal is put down humanly or not its still being killed when it wants to live. The matadors and the people who enjoy the fights look it with the idea that the bull is going to be killed anyways, at least this way it has a chance of dieing with honor, maybe more painfully but the bull also has a chance to fight back against its killer. I would prefer myself to die with a fight than be put down involuntarily with no chance to do anything.

On June 10 2010 03:34 Pengu1n wrote:


anyways, at least this way it has a chance of dieing with honor

On June 10 2010 03:24 fredd wrote:

If you think the mass-produced meat you have readily available to you hasn't been tortured, you must be really naive.

On June 10 2010 03:43 Hawk wrote:
This happened a few weeks ago! Still friggin' insane.

And people, do not listen to ITW. HE'S ARGENTINIAN. His country is renown for its beef. Dude's hands are literally covered in bovine blood. That savage!

On June 10 2010 03:45 Vasoline73 wrote:
lol @ everyone saying he deserved this.

"YEAH ITS NOT MY CULTURE WHAT ASSHOLES"

Like Nony said everyone eats beef and those cows die worse than the bulls do. Bull fighting is just a cultural thing and just because you don't understand it doesn't mean someone deserves to get mauled.

On June 10 2010 03:39 Liquid`NonY wrote:

lol kid you can't point out that I used different words and pretend that means something until you've given a reason why it means something. Pleasure encompasses entertainment, so I'm perfectly fine there. I only brought up sustaining human life as a way of anticipating a possible counterargument that you could make. That is, you could say we need to eat so killing for beef isn't for pleasure, even though we do get pleasure out of it. But of course that's incorrect because killing for beef is almost always for pleasure and hardly ever out of necessity. So, do you have any arguments or logic or just your typical bullshit one liners? =[

On June 10 2010 03:45 Vasoline73 wrote:
lol @ everyone saying he deserved this.

"YEAH ITS NOT MY CULTURE WHAT ASSHOLES"

Like Nony said everyone eats beef and those cows die worse than the bulls do. Bull fighting is just a cultural thing and just because you don't understand it doesn't mean someone deserves to get mauled.

On June 10 2010 03:37 IntoTheWow wrote:


Yeah and If I were god I would cure world hunger. But you are not a cow. And cows don't get to choose.

Now back into reality. Please try not to put words I didn't not say into my mouth.

What I said is that even if bulls are treated nicer before being tortured in public, that doesn't take away the fact that they are indeed tortured for entertainment. Better than bad, can still be bad.

Trying to go off the tangent with the way meat is mass produced today doesn't work either. We are not talking about that in this thread, and even if we were, it doesn't make this 'sport' any better.

On June 10 2010 03:45 Vasoline73 wrote:
lol @ everyone saying he deserved this.

"YEAH ITS NOT MY CULTURE WHAT ASSHOLES"

Like Nony said everyone eats beef and those cows die worse than the bulls do. Bull fighting is just a cultural thing and just because you don't understand it doesn't mean someone deserves to get mauled.

On June 10 2010 03:39 Liquid`NonY wrote:

lol kid you can't point out that I used different words and pretend that means something until you've given a reason why it means something. Pleasure encompasses entertainment, so I'm perfectly fine there. I only brought up sustaining human life as a way of anticipating a possible counterargument that you could make. That is, you could say we need to eat so killing for beef isn't for pleasure, even though we do get pleasure out of it. But of course that's incorrect because killing for beef is almost always for pleasure and hardly ever out of necessity. So, do you have any arguments or logic or just your typical bullshit one liners? =[

On June 10 2010 03:50 katull wrote:

You are attacking a strawman. My point is just that people have a misconception between what they do and others do, and form opinions ("I find this funny") based on that.
My point is *not* that this sport is ok because they keep the animals happy.

That is why I wrote "To those who condemn bullfighting (and thus consider this funny)".
I wasn't putting words in your mouth, I thought you felt called upon that.

The comparisons mass product meat / bullfight holds under this light: if you just find it funny because you condemn this sport and "you find that you don't really care [...] how those animals are kept" then I say you are in no position to point fingers.

Maybe it's my english and I'm not clarifying my point enough.

On June 10 2010 03:57 mint_julep wrote:


Pleasure encompasses entertainment. People eat beef instead of tofu all day because it tastes good to them that's true.

My problem with bull fighting is that people are directly celebrating this torture. It's in their face, they understand whats going on, and they're applauding the slow brutal murder of an animal for no reason.

The meat industry works really hard to keep images of factory farming abuses out of the media and out of people's minds. I'm well aware of the terrible conditions that most beef cattle are kept in in this country (US). It is inhumane and it equates to torture. Most people in this country however are not aware of bad these conditions really are. As I said, there is an incredibly powerful industry working overtime to insure that this is the case. The people watching bull fighting cannot make that claim. The torture is exactly what they're reveling in.

I know that these people's ignorance does not make the lives of these animals any better, but it also has no effect on bull fighting at all. As I mentioned, I personally don't eat factory farmed beef for that reason.

On June 10 2010 03:55 -Kato- wrote:
Theres a big debate in Spain regarding bullfighting. Catalonia (a region, where Barcelona is) is in process of banning bullfighting.

The Canary Islands banned it in April 1991, with a law that claims: (im translating) "does not allow mistreatment of animals or subject them to any sort of practice that can make them suffer...
the law also penalizes the use of animals in fights, partys, shows and other activities that lead to mistreatment, cruelty or suffering."

Obviously these rules dont allow bullfighting.

On June 10 2010 03:45 IntoTheWow wrote:


lol so american, ignorant about the rest of the world.

Here we get up early every morning with bows and arrows and go hunt our own food. Animals here die with honor.

On June 10 2010 04:00 IntoTheWow wrote:


Do they ban televising shows from other places in Barcelona?

Is there a map with places that accept and do not accept this practice anywhere?

Thanks!

On June 10 2010 04:09 -Kato- wrote:


First of all, its not banned in Barcelona, the debate is going on.

No I dont know it for sure but as bullfighting is sometimes on national television, it will still be televised in Barcelona too. Banning something from TV is another thing altogether, and nowadays, how can you stop someone from watching anything anyways, be it through TV or the internet or whatever.

What do you mean a map? Its banned in the Canary Islands, and the debate is going on in Catalonia, so right now its only the Canary Islands, bullfighting is allowed everywhere else.

On March 16 2010 22:03 Boblion wrote:

Poll: What is the the worst kind of threads ?
(Vote): PvZ Imba
(Vote): Eco libertarians threads
(Vote): Hey look this random video !
(Vote): China is full of evil commies blablabla
(Vote): TvP is rigged i quit bw
(Vote): Why i'm a Christian
(Vote): Roach / Immortal / whatever IMBA FIX PLZ !


Hard to tell .... that's a multiple tie imo.

On June 10 2010 03:57 IntoTheWow wrote:

To make things clearer. My point is, you brought the way meat is mass produced nowadays. It has nothing to do with this.

On June 10 2010 03:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
Also I never said "I didn't care about the way animals are kept". You did, so you are the one who has to answer me, not me. I get to point fingers freely wut!

On June 10 2010 03:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
The way animals are treated in production lines doesn't make this any better.

On June 10 2010 03:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
Torturing in the US would be acceptable if It happened more in other countries? Not in the way I hold my moral scale. The same applies to this.

On June 10 2010 03:41 IntoTheWow wrote:


Yeah nice fair fight. The moment the person is injured a bunch of people get the bull away and take the person to a doctor. The moment the bull is injured people clap and scream!

This photo was not the bull dying with honor, it was just a crack in their torturing system.

On June 10 2010 04:14 levelping wrote:
I'm not sure people realise what they are saying. For people appealing to some kind of moral high ground, you might want to realise that

1) "he deserves it" : this is like another human being you're talking about. He might be doing it for the money. The main people to blame are all the arena spectators giving the demand for the sport. This guy could just be some average joe who is trying to get his kids money to get through school. He is a complete stranger to all of us and without even thinking about his motivations and life, you readily say that he deserves to get a bull horn through his lower jaw.

2) Slaughter houses. As a fact, there are several times more cows being kept in small pens and being slaughtered. As a fact, these same small pens cause cows an immense amount of stress and disease. And of course, cows for bull fighting are treated (ironically) far better than normal cows.

So what you have is a) a cow that has a very miserable life and then gets slaughtered and b) a cow that has a better life, but dies in a more horrible way. If you are trying to say that a) is any better than b) i'm not sure that the cow really appreciates the arbitrary line you are trying to draw.

Concluding - if you are going to try and have some moral high ground to say that another human being deserves to have his jaw impaled, maybe you might want to examine your own practices least you look hypocritical.

On June 10 2010 04:07 OneOther wrote:
i don't care if the sport is ethical or unethical. laughing at the guy getting seriously hurt like that, or saying things like "he had it coming" is just not cool. what if he got killed, or even paralyzed for life? would you be saying the same thing? you are GLAD that he got hurt? what the hell...

On June 10 2010 04:07 OneOther wrote:
i don't care if the sport is ethical or unethical. laughing at the guy getting seriously hurt like that, or saying things like "he had it coming" is just not cool. what if he got killed, or even paralyzed for life? would you be saying the same thing? you are GLAD that he got hurt? what the hell...

On June 10 2010 04:07 OneOther wrote:
intothewow you need to drop that condescending tone whenever you get into discussions/arguments regardless of whether you are right or wrong, because you are not all that great and it gets really annoying

i don't care if the sport is ethical or unethical. laughing at the guy getting seriously hurt like that, or saying things like "he had it coming" is just not cool. what if he got killed, or even paralyzed for life? would you be saying the same thing? you are GLAD that he got hurt? what the hell...

On June 10 2010 04:30 MadJack wrote:
Its so sad people can react like that to this.

Its like, if you see that the school bully is choking on the food he stole from you or something, you start laughing instead of helping him, even tho hes not a really good guy... that actually makes you even worst than him. If you enjoy watching any human being injured that way, theres no way that person is worst than you, no mather what they did.

I hope I made my point clear with that.

On June 10 2010 04:26 Myles wrote:


I don't care if you call me hypocritical, but I personally have no sympathy for a person who willing, and personally, tortures an animal for entertainment - even if that person died. I try to avoid the killing of all animals, though I accept that the laws of nature(an society) make that impossible.

You can argue the morality of factory farming and how every person(American at least) is partially responsible for that, however, I bet that most of the people who eat factory farmed meat(including myself, though I try to get organic) would never directly kill an animal just for sport and so other people could enjoy themselves.

On June 10 2010 04:30 MadJack wrote:
Its so sad people can react like that to this.

Its like, if you see that the school bully is choking on the food he stole from you or something, you start laughing instead of helping him, even tho hes not a really good guy... that actually makes you even worst than him. If you enjoy watching any human being injured that way, theres no way that person is worst than you, no mather what they did.

I hope I made my point clear with that.

On June 10 2010 04:37 levelping wrote:


Read the first part of my post. We have no idea about this particular matador's motivations, but you are taking all the normative critique about the sport, and blaming it on this one particular person. And look again at the "morality of the farming factory." Most people won't directly kill an animal for sport, but they kill a) far MORE cows and b) kill it without a thought (which arguably might be worse). Now if we consider this from the point of cows, there really is no difference. In fact you're more likely to get ill treated in a farming factory.

On June 10 2010 03:12 Thrill wrote:


That's not even relevant to the argument. Yeah, we eat beef for pleasure but most of us who purchase packed meat assume that the animal has been put down humanly. There's a huge difference to assumed humane killing (i realize this is not always the case, but it is by principle illegal and when a case surfaces that animals have been killed in an inhumane fashion, it always makes headline news at least where i live) and intended suffering for entertainment. Go troll somewhere else.

On June 10 2010 04:39 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Why does it feel like every time anyone brings up bullfighting (not just online, in general), 99% of people react by going "ANIMAL TORTURE ANIMAL TORTURE YOU TERRIBLE PERSON BLABLABLABLA NOT LISTENING TO YOU"

Firstly, anyone who eats beef and claims bullfighting is worse is deluding themselves. Thinking about the way the animal is killed fails to take into account a whole bunch of other things. Let me propose a couple of scenarios for you.

You may choose one of these two lives.

1)- You live in a small cell your entire life. You are not allowed contact with the opposite sex, and are fed periodically at certain intervals. One day, you are painlessly killed.

2)- You may eat, sleep, and have sex whenever you feel like. One day, a Hispanic man in tights kills you with a sword.

The idea that killing a bull for a bullfight is somehow wasteful is also bullshit. The world would be a better place overall if people stopped eating beef entirely. It is inefficient, and just as wasteful or resources that could be better expended feeding the hungry. Eating beef is a luxury, as is attending a bullfight.

Bullfights are cultural events that are, for the most part, no more or less evil than the meat or leather industries. Once you've fixed the legitimate abuses of animals that occur in the world, come after my corridas. Until then, kindly leave bullfighting the fuck alone. Stop letting the public and rather gory nature of the event get in the way of logic

On June 10 2010 04:38 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

so you're proposing that killing them in an arena would be the lesser of two evils.

well considering how the majority of the populace doesn't know the horrors of a farming factory, this does seem quite evil

On June 10 2010 04:39 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Why does it feel like every time anyone brings up bullfighting (not just online, in general), 99% of people react by going "ANIMAL TORTURE ANIMAL TORTURE YOU TERRIBLE PERSON BLABLABLABLA NOT LISTENING TO YOU"

Firstly, anyone who eats beef and claims bullfighting is worse is deluding themselves. Thinking about the way the animal is killed fails to take into account a whole bunch of other things. Let me propose a couple of scenarios for you.

You may choose one of these two lives.

1)- You live in a small cell your entire life. You are not allowed contact with the opposite sex, and are fed periodically at certain intervals. One day, you are painlessly killed.

2)- You may eat, sleep, and have sex whenever you feel like. One day, a Hispanic man in tights kills you with a sword.

The idea that killing a bull for a bullfight is somehow wasteful is also bullshit. The world would be a better place overall if people stopped eating beef entirely. It is inefficient, and just as wasteful or resources that could be better expended feeding the hungry. Eating beef is a luxury, as is attending a bullfight.

Bullfights are cultural events that are, for the most part, no more or less evil than the meat or leather industries. Once you've fixed the legitimate abuses of animals that occur in the world, come after my corridas. Until then, kindly leave bullfighting the fuck alone. Stop letting the public and rather gory nature of the event get in the way of logic

On June 10 2010 04:42 levelping wrote:


I'm actually saying that any difference we are trying to make between factory killing and arena killing is really just arbitrary distinctions that don't matter to the cow. It's equally cruel to the cow. So if you are going to condemn one (and say that a man deserves getting his jaw impaled) while saying the other is "fine"or "necessary"or "totally different," you are trying to make yourself feel better.

On June 10 2010 04:42 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

how about we get rid of the blatant abuse that we see happening in front of us?

1) We see african americans being blatently abused IN FRONT OF OUR EYES
2) we hear about africans across the sea being treated horrible

i would hope to god we answer the problem that is presented to ourselves first

On June 10 2010 03:57 mint_julep wrote:


Pleasure encompasses entertainment. People eat beef instead of tofu all day because it tastes good to them that's true.

My problem with bull fighting is that people are directly celebrating this torture. It's in their face, they understand whats going on, and they're applauding the slow brutal murder of an animal for no reason.

The meat industry works really hard to keep images of factory farming abuses out of the media and out of people's minds. I'm well aware of the terrible conditions that most beef cattle are kept in in this country (US). It is inhumane and it equates to torture. Most people in this country however are not aware of bad these conditions really are. As I said, there is an incredibly powerful industry working overtime to insure that this is the case. The people watching bull fighting cannot make that claim. The torture is exactly what they're reveling in.

I know that these people's ignorance does not make the lives of these animals any better, but it also has no effect on bull fighting at all. As I mentioned, I personally don't eat factory farmed beef for that reason.

On June 10 2010 04:45 levelping wrote:


Well... the farming factories mistreating cows is a far more pervasive problem than bullfighting... so I'm not sure what kind of point you are trying to make

On June 10 2010 04:45 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

no.. im saying i dislike both by saying the man deserves to get his jaw impaled. i don't condone the horrible condiitions cows go through but neither of these things can be changed by my bitching and moaning

On June 10 2010 04:39 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Why does it feel like every time anyone brings up bullfighting (not just online, in general), 99% of people react by going "ANIMAL TORTURE ANIMAL TORTURE YOU TERRIBLE PERSON BLABLABLABLA NOT LISTENING TO YOU"

Firstly, anyone who eats beef and claims bullfighting is worse is deluding themselves. Thinking about the way the animal is killed fails to take into account a whole bunch of other things. Let me propose a couple of scenarios for you.

You may choose one of these two lives.

1)- You live in a small cell your entire life. You are not allowed contact with the opposite sex, and are fed periodically at certain intervals. One day, you are painlessly killed.

2)- You may eat, sleep, and have sex whenever you feel like. One day, a Hispanic man in tights kills you with a sword.

The idea that killing a bull for a bullfight is somehow wasteful is also bullshit. The world would be a better place overall if people stopped eating beef entirely. It is inefficient, and just as wasteful or resources that could be better expended feeding the hungry. Eating beef is a luxury, as is attending a bullfight.

Bullfights are cultural events that are, for the most part, no more or less evil than the meat or leather industries. Once you've fixed the legitimate abuses of animals that occur in the world, come after my corridas. Until then, kindly leave bullfighting the fuck alone. Stop letting the public and rather gory nature of the event get in the way of logic

On June 10 2010 03:57 mint_julep wrote:


Pleasure encompasses entertainment. People eat beef instead of tofu all day because it tastes good to them that's true.

My problem with bull fighting is that people are directly celebrating this torture. It's in their face, they understand whats going on, and they're applauding the slow brutal murder of an animal for no reason.

The meat industry works really hard to keep images of factory farming abuses out of the media and out of people's minds. I'm well aware of the terrible conditions that most beef cattle are kept in in this country (US). It is inhumane and it equates to torture. Most people in this country however are not aware of bad these conditions really are. As I said, there is an incredibly powerful industry working overtime to insure that this is the case. The people watching bull fighting cannot make that claim. The torture is exactly what they're reveling in.

I know that these people's ignorance does not make the lives of these animals any better, but it also has no effect on bull fighting at all. As I mentioned, I personally don't eat factory farmed beef for that reason.

On June 10 2010 04:47 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

oh so just because cows are being treated more harshly in one area we should just let the other continue?

On June 10 2010 04:52 levelping wrote:


You're now just being all over the place now. You were the one that said we should tackle the most apparent problem first. I pointed out that this most apparent problem is factories. And now you're saying the exact opposite...

and @Myles

Well your moral distinctions are firstly a) lost on the cows who are the ones getting killed and b) are really just a comfortable moral distinction you are trying to make to justify your own hypocrisy.

On June 10 2010 04:53 broz0rs wrote:
that pic is just disgusting. however, it's probably 2nd to the most awesome bullfighting gore pic. here's the 1st:

NSFW, of course
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ries/matador-gored-by-bull-6y/horror_as_matador_gets_gored_by_bull

On June 10 2010 04:52 levelping wrote:


You're now just being all over the place now. You were the one that said we should tackle the most apparent problem first. I pointed out that this most apparent problem is factories. And now you're saying the exact opposite...

and @Myles

Well your moral distinctions are firstly a) lost on the cows who are the ones getting killed and b) are really just a comfortable moral distinction you are trying to make to justify your own hypocrisy.

On June 10 2010 04:54 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

i am saying we should go after the more visible problem first

do you see the farm system advertising the brutal mistreatment of animals?
whereas in this carribas shit, people watch the brutal killings of animals for "entertainment"

sick people the lot of you

On June 10 2010 04:54 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

i am saying we should go after the more visible problem first

do you see the farm system advertising the brutal mistreatment of animals?
whereas in this carribas shit, people watch the brutal killings of animals for "entertainment"

sick people the lot of you

On June 10 2010 04:58 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:


We don't watch to see the animal get killed, we watch to see a man perform what amounts to a combination of dancing and daredevil stunts. They are a part of many hispanic cultures, and they require extreme amounts of daring and skill. Debate the ethics of the killing as much as you want, but don't misrepresent the motives of the audiences and the participants

On June 10 2010 04:57 Sclerosis wrote:
The bull doesn't enjoy a full happy life before being stabbed to death by a guy dressed as a clown. It is starved for days to weaken him. It has it legs beaten so it can't stand easily. They rub vaseline in his eyes to bur his vision.

On June 10 2010 05:00 levelping wrote:


Do you see carribas killing millions of cows? People know about the mistreatment of animals in farms. Eco Groups have been campaigning about that for decades. People just ignore it because it's inconvenient. Then when something like bullfighting comes along, everyone jumps on the bandwagon of condemnation to please their own sense of morality.

On June 10 2010 04:58 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:


We don't watch to see the animal get killed, we watch to see a man perform what amounts to a combination of dancing and daredevil stunts. They are a part of many hispanic cultures, and they require extreme amounts of daring and skill. Debate the ethics of the killing as much as you want, but don't misrepresent the motives of the audiences and the participants

On June 10 2010 05:02 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

ima turn you over to mint_julep's quote.

we "ignore it because it's inconvenient" .. that may be true but we also have the sense of decency to know when something is really inhumane in honestly kinda stupid. why so much pomp and ceremony over killing an animal?

On June 10 2010 04:44 KinosJourney2 wrote:
He got owned pretty hard, anyone torturing animals like this deserves to get a horn where he did.

Can't watch video, restricted for people over 18 -_-

On June 10 2010 03:08 Liquid`NonY wrote:

Beef isn't needed to sustain human life. Humans eat it for pleasure. Eating beef is killing for pleasure, just the same.

On June 10 2010 05:00 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

so you go to watch a man dressed in tights kill a weaken bull.. by dancing?
do something less .. bloodthirsty and watch a ballet?

do you really need to rationalize your existance by watching the pointless pomp and ceremony over killing an animal?

On June 10 2010 05:05 levelping wrote:


So if you acknowledge that it's a fact being ignored... doesn't that make it the more visible problem. That we should solve first. The big visible problem that you are ignoring?

On June 10 2010 05:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:

I very much enjoy the ballet. I also enjoy going to the corrida with my father and grandfather. I'm not rationalizing my existence by going to watch it. It's a sport I enjoy watching, and a part of my cultural tradition. If this makes me a horrible person in your eyes, so be it.

On June 10 2010 03:08 Liquid`NonY wrote:

Beef isn't needed to sustain human life. Humans eat it for pleasure. Eating beef is killing for pleasure, just the same.

On June 10 2010 05:00 levelping wrote:


Do you see carribas killing millions of cows? People know about the mistreatment of animals in farms. Eco Groups have been campaigning about that for decades. People just ignore it because it's inconvenient. Then when something like bullfighting comes along, everyone jumps on the bandwagon of condemnation to please their own sense of morality.

@Myles

If you are really concerned about the mental state of enjoyment, should you not give your condemnation to the spectators instead of the matador. It's could just be a job to him, it is definitely entertainment for them.

On June 10 2010 02:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
I'm glad this happened.

On June 10 2010 05:17 levelping wrote:
To just bluntly list this once and for all:

1) Yes animal cruelty is bad.

2) We have limited resources to solve problems and so we should prioritise which problems to be solved first.

3) Farming practices have rampant animal cruelty and this is a known fact. These practices affect much more animals than bulls in bullfighting. These practices also affect other species like chickens.

4) Legislature or market pressure for farms to change will thus save much more lives than banning bull fighting.

5) So we should solve problems in farming practices first before worrying about bull fighting. This isn't closing your eyes to anything. It's using resources in a smart way.


If we're talking about culture... I think basic internet forum cultural norms think that double posting is needless when there is an edit button. But hey don't let that get in the way of your moral indignation.

On June 10 2010 05:17 levelping wrote:
To just bluntly list this once and for all:

1) Yes animal cruelty is bad.

2) We have limited resources to solve problems and so we should prioritise which problems to be solved first.

3) Farming practices have rampant animal cruelty and this is a known fact. These practices affect much more animals than bulls in bullfighting. These practices also affect other species like chickens.

4) Legislature or market pressure for farms to change will thus save much more lives than banning bull fighting.

5) So we should solve problems in farming practices first before worrying about bull fighting. This isn't closing your eyes to anything. It's using resources in a smart way.


If we're talking about culture... I think basic internet forum cultural norms think that double posting is needless when there is an edit button. But hey don't let that get in the way of your moral indignation.

On June 10 2010 05:00 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

so you go to watch a man dressed in tights kill a weaken bull.. by dancing?
do something less .. bloodthirsty and watch a ballet?

do you really need to rationalize your existance by watching the pointless pomp and ceremony over killing an animal?

On June 10 2010 05:25 agen wrote:
It's pretty telling how the americans in the thread center their arguments around the miserable conditions cows face on american farms. Go to Sweden, go to Europe...go anywhere else in the world...farming conditions are much better for the livestock. No one wanted to argue about farming conditions. It's a visceral reaction to say, "Fuck that guy who's torturing for sport." And yea...fuck him.

On June 10 2010 05:24 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

am i the one allocating resources? I'm just a forum dweller raging against the stupidity that i believe is bullfighting. yes i know the farm system is wrong, yes i know it kills more animals that bull fighting, but it also produces something useful for society.

On June 10 2010 03:48 PanN wrote:


So basically, since it's their culture, they shouldn't change.

Oh I guess it was the U.S.'s culture to have slaves along time ago, but we shouldn't change culture right? Because evolving is bad or something?

Fuck em, they stab an animal for sport, then it fucks him up, GOOD.

On June 10 2010 05:49 JinjoBust wrote:
Empathy motherfuckers, do you have none?

On June 10 2010 03:05 IntoTheWow wrote:


Killing to eat != killing for entertainment.

On June 10 2010 05:50 Badjas wrote:
The guy getting injured is actually a positive results for the bull fighting culture. Bull fighting is about the chance of possibly lethal accidents. Without danger there's no fun. If in ten years time no single guy would get harmed in a bull fight, it'd be over.

On June 10 2010 06:03 blahman3344 wrote:
i saw the picture and winced a little.

i don't want to see what happens in the video >.<

On June 10 2010 06:03 LuckyLuke43 wrote:


Wrong. Get edjucated before you join in on the discussion please. Bullfighting is not at all about 'the danger'. I'm not gonna rant another huge post, just go read up on the subject and come back when you have knowledge of it.

On June 10 2010 06:03 LuckyLuke43 wrote:


Wrong. Get edjucated before you join in on the discussion please. Bullfighting is not at all about 'the danger'. I'm not gonna rant another huge post, just go read up on the subject and come back when you have knowledge of it.

On June 10 2010 06:12 SoManyDeadLings wrote:


You see how he doesn't even respond when you completely deny a valid argument with such bigotry?

I'm well read on the subject and similar to racing, the thrill for spectating is least partially about the potential for bodily harm. Please attempt to crack a slight opening in your close-minded world before insulting someone like that again.

You merely made a personal insult without contribution in any form to the thread content, come back in 5 years when you've hit puberty.

On June 10 2010 05:02 FortuneSyn wrote:
A) The world CANNOT sustain 100% vegetarians. 1) we need proteins 2) other forms of protein intake and in general vegetarian diets are more expensive and require more land to make.

On June 10 2010 05:54 KwarK wrote:

Do you eat every part of the animal? If not then you're eating for pleasure. Killing more animals than you absolutely have to in order to eat the nicer parts. Killing for pleasure is killing for pleasure, I wouldn't enjoy watching a bullfight but equally I think it's horrible that a human suffered a horrible injury. I don't give a fuck what happens to animals.

On June 10 2010 06:21 KwarK wrote:

I'm well read on the subject of refutations without content and I can assure you that you just did one. Please come back in 5 years with an actual refutation.

I'm sick of people saying "I've have a lot of useful information about the subject and rather than share that with you I'm just going to offer my conclusions without any context and demand you accept them".

On June 10 2010 02:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
I'm glad this happened.

On June 10 2010 06:20 Manit0u wrote:
What I don't get, is what's beautiful about it?

On June 10 2010 06:24 SoManyDeadLings wrote:


By your logic, you too.

On June 10 2010 05:54 KwarK wrote:

Do you eat every part of the animal? If not then you're eating for pleasure. Killing more animals than you absolutely have to in order to eat the nicer parts. Killing for pleasure is killing for pleasure, I wouldn't enjoy watching a bullfight but equally I think it's horrible that a human suffered a horrible injury. I don't give a fuck what happens to animals.

On June 10 2010 07:09 On_Slaught wrote:
The only shame is that he didn't die since i'm sure the bull did.

On June 10 2010 07:11 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:


bull =/= human

On June 10 2010 07:12 agen wrote:
The only righteous declamations being thrown around in this thread are about those taking schadenfreude from the bullfighter's injury. I remember seeing The Matrix with my aunt when I was younger, and she walked out of the theater because she couldn't take the violence. I could've given her a lecture on the difference between fiction and reality and about how she should be more concerned with real-life violence, but I didn't...maybe because I was too young =P. Anyway, the point is this: the people posting snide comments about the matador didn't gore him; the bull did. If you have problems with taking this "tragic" incident lightheartedly, then take them up with Stephen Colbert who included this clip on his show for comedic purposes.

Edit: The point about the matrix was that emotional reactions don't adhere to a strict, rational ethical code. If bullfighting pisses people off, it pisses them off, regardless of what happens to cows on farms.

On June 10 2010 07:18 Sephy69 wrote:

you know at the top of my head, i can't even remember a scene where it would make someone walk out... but i guess your aunt is really senstive?