I know I posted my own poll on this once, but I'll add my opinion to the pile. Keep in mind, this is my opinion only.
tl:dr The BNet2 changes suck for the best/elite/pro scene, but are perfect for the casual gamer, which makes up a huge percentage of the market for this game, and we here at TL have a high percentage of top players, which skews the polled opinions of BNet2 negatively compared to the average gamer.
SC2 (as far as we've seen) is fucking beautiful. Keep in mind, I'm specifically referencing the game here, and not BNet2. I've enjoyed every single match I've played, even if some cheezing noob pissed me off at the time. The balance is good (not perfect, but good) and the overal quality of the game so far has been, in my opinion, top notch & reminiscent of the Blizzard of lore.
Now, on to BNet2. We all know the list of things that have everyone pissed off...no LAN, no xrealm, no chat rooms. And you/we are right...the loss of these functions sucks hard, even if for me personally they don't mean shit. I'll never use LAN, I hate open chatrooms (look at general on every server in WoW...open chat can go to hell), and x-realm doesn't matter in the slightest to me as I'm nowhere near a high enough level of play to care how I compare with asian players.
But I understand and I'm not stupid...these features are critically important to the pro e-sports scene. If I had to guess, and this is of course only a guess, chatrooms will come "soon", LAN never will, and x-realm will end up being available for a fee, probably a monthly recurring fee (which is so beyond wrong if they go that route, but I'll be suprised if they add x-realm without a fee).
The question here poised...will you boycott. My answer...no way. As a "casual" player, which what, 98% of Blizzard's market probably is, the game and BNet2 are fine. There will be probably one of the best, if not the best, single player campaigns ever put together in a RTS, and BNet2 is exceptionally well put together for the guy that just wants to jump on & play against another person that roughly matches up to their own skill level. It is a beautiful system in that regard.
As well, and we can debate this till the cows come home, but Blizzard is renown for taking care of their shit, and fixing issues. Even with the money-grubbing Activision at the helm, Blizzard still puts out quality every time...but it is obvious as well that Blizzard is going with a casual-market-friendly approach to their titles.
Again, IMHO, 99% of the people bitching about SC2/BNet"0.2" are the elite of the elite - or, with all due respect, at least you fucking think you are, and you're mad that the game is more approachable for everyone. Again too, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be chatrooms or x-realm play or even LAN...but that its only a select few that really care about it.
THink about it for a second...I know I'm a noob to TL, but how many of you threatening to personally boycott are high-level players? Shit, I bet based on my prior reading that like 90% of the people here are plat/diamond players (or at least claim to be), which is NOT in any way indicative of the majority...which is why we have a 23% rate on this poll not planning to buy the game.
Regardless, I won't mock anyone for buying or not buying the game...its always your decision as to what you spend your $ on...if the BNet2 changes make the game crap to you, then don't buy it. Its OK. Do what you want to do
I AM SICK OF THESE KIND OF THREADS. But I will tell you that I am a fan of Blizzard and its Starcraft franchise. I will buy doubt all the drama because I am a fan. Why? Its like watching a another new Terminator or a Alien Vs Predator movie. You heard skepticism, ratings, and rumors, etc etc of how this movie is not up to par to its predecessors. You know what? I don't care! I was a fan of the franchises when I was a kid and it gave me great memories! You know its going to suck, and yet at the same time, you know it may have potential!
This SC2 stuff is the same. All the drama with chat room, LAN, cross realm, and etc etc. It doesn't matter to those who were fans of the franchise, because we're still going to buy it. As a fan, you feel obligated to do it. If you are truly a fan of Blizzard and the Starcraft franchise, you will too. All the drama stuff will eventually iron itself out.
On June 09 2010 04:19 JohnUCrazy wrote: I AM SICK OF THESE KIND OF THREADS. But I will tell you that I am a fan of Blizzard and its Starcraft franchise. I will buy doubt all the drama because I am a fan. Why? Its like watching a another new Terminator or a Alien Vs Predator movie. You heard skepticism, ratings, and rumors, etc etc of how this movie is not up to par to its predecessors. You know what? I don't care! I was a fan of the franchises when I was a kid and it gave me great memories! You know its going to suck, and yet at the same time, you know it may have potential!
This SC2 stuff is the same. All the drama with chat room, LAN, cross realm, and etc etc. It doesn't matter to those who were fans of the franchise, because we're still going to buy it. As a fan, you feel obligated to do it. If you are truly a fan of Blizzard and the Starcraft franchise, you will too. All the drama stuff will eventually iron itself out.
Please close this thread.
You're confusing fans with fanboys [read: retards (in a way)]
[B]On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote: However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.
You do realize that they charge for name changes/server transfers because if it was free people would exploit it, right?
[B]On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote: However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.
You do realize that they charge for name changes/server transfers because if it was free people would exploit it, right?
You do realize that they could just introduce a one month per transfer/change cooldown, right? It is and was pretty common btw, at least 10 MMOs had that transfer/rename feature.
I will buy the original game. But if they're not improving the Bnet and it's predictable that it'll fail as an competitive game after release, I won't buy the expansions
On June 09 2010 03:39 Chained wrote: Really the Poll should of been
Will Buy it Boycott (heh) Will wait and see
Im not going to say 95% of the people "boycotting" will end up buying it, but 95% are just waiting and seeing. And the other 5% never planned on buying it anyways.
I know personally, Ill be buying it. I still have a faith it will be fixed, Im not going to rely on it, but I have enough friends who I know will buy it, and will buy it just to have fun.
Also, its ridiculous. Im all for not supporting something you dont like, but doing things like, Openly saying youll pirate the game, calling Bnet 2.0 "0.2" or making stupid pictures, do you guys really think Blizzard will take that as a valid complaint? Its a 5 year old's reaction.... "Youre stupid" "YA WELL YOUR STUPIDEST". I mean seriously? Im just speaking from my own reactions, and quite frankly, Im going to take a well written response over people saying "Im going to pirate the game because Bnet 0.2 is stupid" And really the more people that do it, the more I would take the real criticism lightly...
Im all for complaining, but personally, be smart about it, or just shutup
Well, your analysis is wrong.
I intended to buy it but will definitely not buy it unless they fix most of the issues.
Oh, and for those of you that think the game is broken and what not forget how broken SC was when it came out and how broken BW was when it came out. It took them several patches to fix both of those games. Just have patience.
[B]On June 08 2010 19:24 killercheebo wrote: However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.
You do realize that they charge for name changes/server transfers because if it was free people would exploit it, right?
You do realize that they could just introduce a one month per transfer/change cooldown, right? It is and was pretty common btw, at least 10 MMOs had that transfer/rename feature.
Man you're so smart, but that wouldn't change anything, people would still transfer en masse to the popular servers and turn the others into ghost towns. Ninjas would get pretty bad too with free name changes.
I think I'll wait to see how they address the issues they're facing before making a decision. For me, it's really important that a game have a strong community feel to it, which Starcraft 2 currently does not have due to the issues with B.Net 2.0. Without that, I know that Starcraft 2 will simply go the way of other games I thought were decent but could never get into such as the Age of Empires series...
depends if they deliver promised bnet 2.0 fixes.. when beta returns.. if its still ugly, slow, laggy, crashy.. and with 0 new features.. i wont.. ill probably buy when the price drop.. and real ums will be available
Sry but for my part i consider your thread bs and a bunch of QQ from an angry fanboy
In 2008, as reported by Forbes magazine, Robert Kotick received nearly $15 million USD in salary, benefits, options and incentives for his work with Activision Blizzard, of which $899,560 was his actual salary.
If youve been following Activision for a long time like your post seems to want us believe than you would know that Kotick is not in the position of power he was in 2008, GH is bombing hard as a major franchise, Their main team for CoD has left them and is suing them for money and hopening a new studio, Hes under heat by alot of people for how he runs the buisness and alot of third party stuff put out by Activision bombed really hard.
Some of his quotes: "We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games."
Kotick later stated he tries to promote an atmosphere of "skepticism, pessimism, and fear" in his company and, "We are very good at keeping people focused on the deep depression."[13]
U know the compagny reanamed itself ActivionBlizzard when they merged, hint by the name Activision doesn't have any power over Blizzard as they dont have any power over Activision, you guys all say that Activision is pulling the string yet they dont have the power to do so, if Activision proposes something then Blizzard must accept
I've read numerous threads on TL which complained the way blizzard is taking, and their overall policies. I read all of the blue posts, and all of the interviews with the developers.
The game isn't even out yet, how would you know what would happen in the future and yet more how Blizzard intends to run the game.
However, none of these are surprising or are anything new to me. I played WoW for years until latest expansions and personally experienced the way blizzard handles things and their policies toward WoW playerbase. They never listen to the community, unless it is a suggestion that can generate them more money. Of all the suggestions and proposed balance changes players posted on forums, only suggestions they accepted were things like paid name change service, paid character server transfer, in game mounts that cost $20, etc.
I dont play WoW, so i can't really comment this section, but their is one thing you have to understand blancing and making fun an RTS and a MMORPG is 2 completely different things that have no bearing one with the other. I believe it's much harder to balance WoW than SC2
I was able to foresee the direction the B.net 0.2 will be taking ever since they forced WoW players into merging their accounts to a new "battle.net account". New b.net 0.2 is exactly like how WoW or other MMORPG servers work. Its definately very un-RTS like.
Really? Let's examine your points.
Things like regional locking, "characters (lol?)"
? I don't even understand this point it makes no sense.
parties (SC2 =/= RPG),
Yea Wc3 had those, and their very usefull and facilitate the game, the whole RPG thing doesn't even make any sense in the equation.
and achievements (direct ripoff from WoW).
Infact their a direct ripoff from Xbox live which made them popular. Second thing no matter how hard it is to conceive Blizzard has more fans to please then the TL community and those are the casual fans who care more about facebook integration and achievements than some weird balance patch. Once those are in Blizzard can focus on the balance and both of them dont require alot of work from blizzard. Facebook integration requires battlenet to log onto facebook and adds friends to your list (WHOOOOO THEY MUST HAVE SPENT ALOT OF TIME ON THAT RIGHT TL?) and achievements are little icons that have a signal sent by the game after X task is complete.
Even their new matchmaking system is completely taken from WoW's arena matchmaking system, which became worse in latest expansion
Again i don't play WoW but i dont get once they add Proleague and the option for top players to see universall ranking (which they said they will do later) how it won't be much better than ICCUP ladder.
, by the way. Blizzard believes that since WoW made them so much cash, turning SC2 into another WoW would yield them more money.
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Yea or maybe they realize that making WoW a quality product with constant big free update patches made them alot of fans and alot of money.
In fact, one of the probable reasons why they are incorporating so much WOW bullshit into SC2 is to attract their vast reservoir of WOW gamers into buying SC2. Remember that tauren marine april fools joke? And lot of the units (roaches, stalker, immortal, etc) looks like those nerubian WC3 / WOW units.
Yea Wc3 had tauren before WoW so ur argument is flawed and even if you see it in that way WC3 had a hidden hydralisk which to your theory was a mischievious plan and not a joke/referance to old games. Also for all those units only the stalker could be said to look like fiends but all the rest doesn't make any sense whatsoever
Blizzard did say they will add things like chat rooms in the future. However, I know for 100% sure that there will be NO LAN in this game
Yes and that for me isn't really Blizzard fault the whole gaming community has been hacking for the last 20 years and making money off it. Do you really think we could get away for free with that? We pay with no Lan
. There will also be no cross-regional play, since that is completely incompatible with how the new B.net 0.2 works. Afterall, blizzard wants customers to buy one copy of the game for each of the regions. I myself have a US and EU realm WoW accounts, and they're completely separate and incompatible with one another.
This is so stupid for an argument. Ok so the top players buy the game 3 times, and the expansion, thats 6 extra games per top player that is competitive. Let's exagerate and say theirs 10 000 of those people for starcraft 2, that's 60 000 more copies sold. Sadly with your stupid argument ESPSORT is gonna take a fucking huge hit and seing how Esport is the reason that SC1 sold millions and millions more post launch i dont think they would do that as they have the example of SC1 in their faces.
Therefore, don't expect any significant change for B.net 0.2 as it was in beta, except for addition of chat rooms. Only other differences will be that there will be bunch of extra "paid" features. In fact, they even stated that they planned on monetizing on player-made custom maps
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Again your hearing by one ear and deforming with your mouth, premium maps are not force if a person has put hours and wants to get paid a small fee for it then yes he will be able to, and if he wants to put it free he can also do that. If no one likes the system no one will pay and then no one will have any reason to put any maps on the premium service.
Plus Blizz has reputation of taking months fix even simplest bugs in WoW. Rogue's vanish has been bugged since 2006 and still never been fixed.
Your saying that SC2 is not a MMO well i agree with you, therefore it doesn't nearly have the same amout of bugs. Also how many bugs does D2, WC3, SC1 have? and how much does SC2 have?
Overall, 2008 and onwards blizzard has transformed into another EA like company that nickel dimes the gamers and neglect them completely pretty much. This is why I am going to boycott SC2 and all of the future blizzard products (D3, WoW-cataclysm, etc).
P.S. i will only buy this game if they add LAN and cross server play.
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