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On May 19 2010 23:09 Spidermonkey wrote:
In 1998 two neighbors and I began playing StarCraft. We stumbled onto a channel that had some ex-beta ladder players in it and they were pretty good. This channel became our home and during the next few months after launch more people started showing up in this channel.
As it turned out during one of our in between game converstations, a large portion of us lived in California... not only in California but we realized that 5 of us lived in the same city. We met up a few days later and since 1998 those have been some of my closet friends. I've lived with them, drank with them, been to weddings, kids births, and graduation parties.
All because we happend to be in the same SC channel 12 years ago. This can't happen now.
...But it could happen when StarCraft 2 actually comes out; that's the point that many people (including myself) are making. Your anecdote, while touching, doesn't imply that you can't befriend people after the game comes out. You make it sound as if people can't become friends through StarCraft channels unless it happens before the game comes out.
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the whole no private chat option is definitely something they need to put in. The whole division thing bugs me too since they are meaningless except to give people who are very new to b.net a false sense of accomplishment. The fact that you can't see the server top 100 player etc is also pretty annoying. Not to mention regional segregation. It's not even about playing and interacting with player from other regions at the same time (which you'd think a system 10 years later would have), it's that I don't even get a chance to log on to other servers.
There are things I do like about new b.net. I like how ladder search game works. I like now that people can't dodge anyone, or random, they can't abuse a particular match up or get free wins from their friends. But over all beta b.net is a step backwards. We shall see what they adds in for the real release.
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I know a lot of couples who met from SC, some are even married now.. SatN-The-Feared and Hera-The-Feared got married.. and I believe SupaMerc and BabyMerc are still together (havent heard from them for afew years tho)
Its pretty incredible how things work out from video games.
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On May 19 2010 23:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2010 23:09 Spidermonkey wrote:
In 1998 two neighbors and I began playing StarCraft. We stumbled onto a channel that had some ex-beta ladder players in it and they were pretty good. This channel became our home and during the next few months after launch more people started showing up in this channel.
As it turned out during one of our in between game converstations, a large portion of us lived in California... not only in California but we realized that 5 of us lived in the same city. We met up a few days later and since 1998 those have been some of my closet friends. I've lived with them, drank with them, been to weddings, kids births, and graduation parties.
All because we happend to be in the same SC channel 12 years ago. This can't happen now. ...But it could happen when StarCraft 2 actually comes out; that's the point that many people (including myself) are making. Your anecdote, while touching, doesn't imply that you can't befriend people after the game comes out. You make it sound as if people can't become friends through StarCraft channels unless it happens before the game comes out.
No no no, I'm not saying that. As soon as channels come out all my personal bitching goes away. What I'm saying is that from past beta experience I don't hold out hope for something that Developers say "we'll add later".
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On May 19 2010 23:30 Spidermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2010 23:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 19 2010 23:09 Spidermonkey wrote:
In 1998 two neighbors and I began playing StarCraft. We stumbled onto a channel that had some ex-beta ladder players in it and they were pretty good. This channel became our home and during the next few months after launch more people started showing up in this channel.
As it turned out during one of our in between game converstations, a large portion of us lived in California... not only in California but we realized that 5 of us lived in the same city. We met up a few days later and since 1998 those have been some of my closet friends. I've lived with them, drank with them, been to weddings, kids births, and graduation parties.
All because we happend to be in the same SC channel 12 years ago. This can't happen now. ...But it could happen when StarCraft 2 actually comes out; that's the point that many people (including myself) are making. Your anecdote, while touching, doesn't imply that you can't befriend people after the game comes out. You make it sound as if people can't become friends through StarCraft channels unless it happens before the game comes out. No no no, I'm not saying that. As soon as channels come out all my personal bitching goes away. What I'm saying is that from past beta experience I don't hold out hope for something that Developers say "we'll add later".
This *is* Blizzard we're talking about here, the company that adds real functionality to their games in patches like chat in replays and CPU throttling 10 years after release.
If they say it's going to be in, I'll believe them. They've got a strong enough track record with regard to patching that I'm willing to put a little faith in them.
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On May 19 2010 23:36 TheYango wrote:
They've got a strong enough track record with regard to patching that I'm willing to put a little faith in them.
They also have DUSTIN BROWDER....
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On May 19 2010 23:36 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2010 23:30 Spidermonkey wrote:On May 19 2010 23:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 19 2010 23:09 Spidermonkey wrote:
In 1998 two neighbors and I began playing StarCraft. We stumbled onto a channel that had some ex-beta ladder players in it and they were pretty good. This channel became our home and during the next few months after launch more people started showing up in this channel.
As it turned out during one of our in between game converstations, a large portion of us lived in California... not only in California but we realized that 5 of us lived in the same city. We met up a few days later and since 1998 those have been some of my closet friends. I've lived with them, drank with them, been to weddings, kids births, and graduation parties.
All because we happend to be in the same SC channel 12 years ago. This can't happen now. ...But it could happen when StarCraft 2 actually comes out; that's the point that many people (including myself) are making. Your anecdote, while touching, doesn't imply that you can't befriend people after the game comes out. You make it sound as if people can't become friends through StarCraft channels unless it happens before the game comes out. No no no, I'm not saying that. As soon as channels come out all my personal bitching goes away. What I'm saying is that from past beta experience I don't hold out hope for something that Developers say "we'll add later". This *is* Blizzard we're talking about here, the company that adds real functionality to their games in patches like chat in replays and CPU throttling 10 years after release. If they say it's going to be in, I'll believe them. They've got a strong enough track record with regard to patching that I'm willing to put a little faith in them.
I'm more inclined to believe them then most companies but forgive me if I'm still overly cautious.
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On May 19 2010 23:37 Lollersauce wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2010 23:36 TheYango wrote:
They've got a strong enough track record with regard to patching that I'm willing to put a little faith in them. They also have DUSTIN BROWDER....
I like how a few bad interviews is enough to make people believe that everything bad about this game stems from him, when in actuality he probably didn't touch a lot of the things people dislike.
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I only have one friend on battle.net after playing 300+ games. That person I met here on teamliquid. Battle.net in its current state fucking blows. There is no community whatsoever. Some of you that are very prominent, where are you actually meeting people? Inside the game or outside? Be honest.
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While I would definitely prefer if we had chat channels, it's not a make or break situation for me. I communicate to the community via TL and the popular livestream / UStream channels for Starcraft related content. I just love the game itself, so the fact that I can't sit in a chat room isn't a big concern. I can chat elsewhere with fellow SC2 players until the channels are implemented.
To say it is completely easy is quite ignorant. As a programmer by profession myself, you can't make claims like this without knowing how the current code base functions, and how a feature like that implements into the current Bnet 2.0 infrastructure. The people stating "It's so easy, It can be done in a day or two" are the perfect example of stupid clients every programmer hates dealing with. Making a "chat UI" in a UMS game like we have seen someone do has nothing to do with integration of chat into B.net code base.
Until you've been given access to view the entire b.net code structure, and fully understand it please don't pretend to know how quickly is can be done.
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Met most of my gaming friends through SC1 chat channels. I still play games with them, we've made CS and guild war teams. It is very disturbing that this social aspect is lacking in SC2. I can easily see someone being turned off from the game because of the lack of interaction, currently. If someone is new / doesn't have friends to game with, it is almost impossible to meet a group of people on SC2. Yeah, you can meet one or two individual players, but there lacks a community that the chat channels provided.
In short, b.net 2.0 needs to upgrade to b.net 3.0 if Blizzard wants to appeal to the newer crowd. The crowd that played SC1 won't have as many problems adjusting because they probably already have a core group of friends to play with, but newer customers are going to be floating in the void.
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On May 19 2010 23:30 Spidermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2010 23:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 19 2010 23:09 Spidermonkey wrote:
In 1998 two neighbors and I began playing StarCraft. We stumbled onto a channel that had some ex-beta ladder players in it and they were pretty good. This channel became our home and during the next few months after launch more people started showing up in this channel.
As it turned out during one of our in between game converstations, a large portion of us lived in California... not only in California but we realized that 5 of us lived in the same city. We met up a few days later and since 1998 those have been some of my closet friends. I've lived with them, drank with them, been to weddings, kids births, and graduation parties.
All because we happend to be in the same SC channel 12 years ago. This can't happen now. ...But it could happen when StarCraft 2 actually comes out; that's the point that many people (including myself) are making. Your anecdote, while touching, doesn't imply that you can't befriend people after the game comes out. You make it sound as if people can't become friends through StarCraft channels unless it happens before the game comes out. No no no, I'm not saying that. As soon as channels come out all my personal bitching goes away. What I'm saying is that from past beta experience I don't hold out hope for something that Developers say "we'll add later".
Ah okay, fair enough :-) I wouldn't worry too much about them not including channels ;-)
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On May 19 2010 19:07 Crimson.Slayer wrote:
It's a beta... They want us to test the functionality of the game. Making friends would be nice, but if your posting here you have access to a bigger Starcraft 2 playing community than you would currently on bnet. If you want to complain about the social aspect, do so about how unfriendly or unsporting people are. No GL/HF at the begining and no GG when they lose. As much as I get tempered when I get cheesed I still gg, and watch the replay to learn from my defeat. I'll note it again; It's a BETA. They'll probably add at launch the chat rooms and unless they've said a definitive no to group replays they'll have that as well.
Come on man, I don't know what to say. Read for once? There is information everywhere that it's not just BETA and they won't have the chat rooms. Isn't that something to complain about?
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agree 100% with OP. in sc1 i went online to play and to chat with friends and new ppl, actually more than i wanted to play. in sc2 i only go online to play
no channels is retarded along with crashing at any button i click in bnet 2.0
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sides, why they removed the social stuff like B.net's chat rooms? Cause there was a thread before concerning pro gamers being harassed by anti or fanboys. (well, that's my assumption)
So, instead they introduced identifiers, which means if someone messages me, I can't even block him cause I can't see what his identifier is  ?
Anyway, I haven't had very many annoying people I've wanted to block, but it's gonna be an issue for some.
On May 19 2010 23:45 MorroW wrote:
agree 100% with OP. in sc1 i went online to play and to chat with friends and new ppl, actually more than i wanted to play. in sc2 i only go online to play
no channels is retarded along with crashing at any button i click in bnet 2.0
I love how this bug hasn't been fixed yet - it's been around since patch..... 9? 10?
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On May 19 2010 23:45 MorroW wrote:
agree 100% with OP. in sc1 i went online to play and to chat with friends and new ppl, actually more than i wanted to play. in sc2 i only go online to play
no channels is retarded along with crashing at any button i click in bnet 2.0
Definitely agreed, I spent way more hours chatcrafting and watching reps with people in sc1.
SC2 beta has just been getting to know the game, then deciding to forget about it until the rest of the functionality is available and my friends can play.
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Yeah, I think from what I've read they will be adding these chat rooms. I don't understand y they didn't in the first place it really confuses me. Anyway I personally don't care too much really, but it does seem something is really lacking and I know many people really want it.
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I can completely understand the decision not to implement them until release. But to not have them at release? to seemingly forget about them until the community got upset, and then say it will be in a future patch... I dont know, seems like some weird priorities there.
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I miss bw channels.
A couple of gosus hanging out, the noobs, the bm guys trash talking, the dodgers, the people always afk, the flame wars and the constructive discussions.
Bnet 2.0 has no taste so far.
T-T
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I agree with you about the chatting. There is much less chillin. There is practically no point in logging onto SC2 unless you want your graphics card to work overtime or you're playing a game.
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