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On May 19 2010 23:49 Armathai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2010 23:45 MorroW wrote:
agree 100% with OP. in sc1 i went online to play and to chat with friends and new ppl, actually more than i wanted to play. in sc2 i only go online to play
no channels is retarded along with crashing at any button i click in bnet 2.0 Definitely agreed, I spent way more hours chatcrafting and watching reps with people in sc1. SC2 beta has just been getting to know the game, then deciding to forget about it until the rest of the functionality is available and my friends can play.
Agreed. I can understand why Blizzard wouldn't want channels in for a portion of Beta. Funnel us to game testing, that's fine. However beta is nearly done and we are going to see a sort of open beta/demo right before launch. If Blizzard was planning on implementing chat for that, great, it all makes perfect sense... but they aren't. Blizzard said chat channels are an AFTER launch feature.
At this point, given how crappy the ladder system is and the lack of socail options, I miss the old b.net.
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I never would have met Dr Ling if I hadn't stalked Plexa into their secret chat channel.
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The system in the original Starcraft was horrible and encouraged spam fests. Chat channels as they were, were major fail.
I think some form of private chat channels would be good, as long as the creator can boot people. But most chat channels are fail. I don't miss them 1 bit.
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i hope they get over it and implement normal chatrooms even if i never would use them
its like playing iccup atm, but thinking of the older times when bw was new first thing i did after login was joining brood war deu-1, oftentimes just chilling there and talking
i agree it feels kind of cold atm
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Do we really need a new thread for this kind of post?
It's getting a bit repetitive.
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I agree with you, but I don't think the game completely falls apart without chat channels like you seem to suggest.
I've used the practice partner thread here and have a friends list full of mannered, active gamers around my skill level to practice with. So it's still fairly social every time I log onto b.net for some SC2.
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Okay, guys, Blizzard already has addressed this. So stop whining and read this post :
They said that they can add in Chat Rooms any time they want, they already have the code, but they want a better system, so instead of adding it in BETA, there seeing if there is a better system. They still want the same community feel, why would they not? Think for a second. The interegating WoW and lolfacebook, so it creates a community. And you think they don't want to? When the games out they will know if they have a better system or not, if they don't, well here are the chat rooms. At school, so can't find source, but what they have done so far is they want to create a community. Why do you think they forums? Why do you think they allow a bunch of fan sites.
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On May 20 2010 00:07 Savio wrote:
The system in the original Starcraft was horrible and encouraged spam fests. Chat channels as they were, were major fail.
I think some form of private chat channels would be good, as long as the creator can boot people. But most chat channels are fail. I don't miss them 1 bit.
Spam is easily solved and nobody is obligated to join a chat channel if they don't want to.
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On May 20 2010 00:51 Enragemana wrote:
Okay, guys, Blizzard already has addressed this. So stop whining and read this post :
They said that they can add in Chat Rooms any time they want, they already have the code, but they want a better system, so instead of adding it in BETA, there seeing if there is a better system. They still want the same community feel, why would they not? Think for a second. The interegating WoW and lolfacebook, so it creates a community. And you think they don't want to? When the games out they will know if they have a better system or not, if they don't, well here are the chat rooms. At school, so can't find source, but what they have done so far is they want to create a community. Why do you think they forums? Why do you think they allow a bunch of fan sites.
So let me get this straight.
They have the code. They don't implement the code. They have something way better!!! Just not...yet. They cant have both because that would implode the universe. So we get. Nothing.
I have no WoW friends, i only befriend chicks on facebook and as for the "community" argument. We are the community, we've been here for more than 10 years. Why take away (or not implement) such vibrant tools like chatrooms and online replays?
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On May 20 2010 01:08 Jayson X wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2010 00:51 Enragemana wrote:
Okay, guys, Blizzard already has addressed this. So stop whining and read this post :
They said that they can add in Chat Rooms any time they want, they already have the code, but they want a better system, so instead of adding it in BETA, there seeing if there is a better system. They still want the same community feel, why would they not? Think for a second. The interegating WoW and lolfacebook, so it creates a community. And you think they don't want to? When the games out they will know if they have a better system or not, if they don't, well here are the chat rooms. At school, so can't find source, but what they have done so far is they want to create a community. Why do you think they forums? Why do you think they allow a bunch of fan sites. So let me get this straight. They have the code. They don't implement the code. They have something way better!!! Just not...yet. They cant have both because that would implode the universe. So we get. Nothing. I have no WoW friends, i only befriend chicks on facebook and as for the "community" argument. We are the community, we've been here for more than 10 years. Why take away (or not implement) such vibrant tools like chatrooms and online replays?
If they have a mediocre system that they know they can do better/will do better but just haven't had enough time to hash out yet (yes it's close to release, w/e) and they release that mediocre chat system, all they're going to get is a bunch of feedback (read: bitching) on a chat system they know they don't want to keep. Pretty pointless on their part because a lot of feedback is going to waste. Useless for them, very frustrating for us.
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Could I perhaps entice OP to look into social networking sites such as facebook.com or myspace.com ?? If you're so interested in meeting mass amounts of people, perhaps check those out. Or maybe if you want to meet people AND game with them...Just use steam more, and go find a different game to play?
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Like with the language filter? Or because there's the xbox live dude working on the battle.net and he probably thinks achievements are more important than chatrooms, online replays,useful statistics, or just an interface that doesnt look like it's been designed for TV's?
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Although I agree with the fact that its ridiculous to have no chat rooms, I really like the 2v2 idea where you can 2v2 with your friend. Hopefully they will add chat rooms really soon after the release, I don't know why they wouldnt.
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On May 20 2010 01:26 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Could I perhaps entice OP to look into social networking sites such as facebook.com or myspace.com ?? If you're so interested in meeting mass amounts of people, perhaps check those out. Or maybe if you want to meet people AND game with them...Just use steam more, and go find a different game to play?
Not that I'm a good representative sample of all SC players, but I'm more likely to want to talk about playing SC2 on an SC2 chat room than on my facebook wall or various facebook groups.
SC2 and real life rarely mix, and they don't typically mix well.
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On May 20 2010 01:35 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Not that I'm a good representative sample of all SC players, but I'm more likely to want to talk about playing SC2 on an SC2 chat room than on my facebook wall or various facebook groups.
SC2 and real life rarely mix, and they don't typically mix well.
For people that chatting is absolutely essential to their game experience, as a temporary fix, alt tab and open the TL IRC to chat or view one of the various popular live stream / ustreams that have many people chatting. This is the means I will use until chat channels are available.
Honestly, you're more likely to get more mature, intelligent conversation out of those means than you would in a typical b.net chat channel anyways.
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chat rooms in SC2 would be cool, i agree, but thats what we have TL.net for yo!
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On May 19 2010 18:45 TabyLing wrote:
I started playing broodwar in 2005, I found battle.net to be this strange and great place with so much option for communication and meeting people, it made it so fun, it wasn't just the game at all there was a huge social element that kept me going back years after i stopped playing seriously.
I have met so many people on battle.net from all over the world, made some really good friends and even met my partner on there. I went from friend group to friend group because it was so easy to make new friends and just relax and chat.
Now battle.net 2 is this cold and empty place, even though i have friends in the beta i barely have any interest playing it, there is nothing to make me want to go online, nowhere to idle and just chat about w/e or meet new people. I don't want some random channels saying your are meant to talk about a particular thing or weird stuff like that, the system in the original battle.net was perfect I don't understand why blizzard would change it, or completely subtract it, I have always thought during the whole time, blizzard is a great company, they aren't blind, they know what made the game successful, they wouldn't remove such an integral part... would they?
The social aspect has been removed so completely, even watching replays online with friends is gone. The hours me and my friends would spend playing, then watching reps, or more experienced players explaining things with reps, or just when everyone wants to eat or take a break from playing... This is no longer there, to be completely honest because of not being able to watch replays online i never really got into warcraft 3 and left it even though i had friends there. It just removed such an important social aspect for me.
It really does concern me, the so far complete lack of channels and social atmosphere, since it makes me uninterested in the beta, should I really spend so much on the game? I don't see myself playing it for long or enjoying the cold and lifeless multiplayer.
Some of the changes are pretty neat, it's easier to have a private conversation i guess, but the whole msn style of things for all conversations doesn't work at all.
I want a place to go to chat with the people I am playing with, A place with new interesting people that might join in the fun... I want to play starcraft and I want the socialness which was such an integral part of my continued interest and enjoyment while i played it.
I agree... you should post this on the Blizzard beta forum if you haven't already. I don't think they will have chat rooms by launch, but if enough people complain they make include this "feature" in one of the expansions.
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It's only a beta so please stop saying you can't talk with your friends...
the only thing I agree with you is the fact that you won't be able to watch replay with friends. I'm pretty sure they said something about adding this feature in a patch later on but I would have been really happy to be able to do that right at the start.
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On May 20 2010 00:51 Enragemana wrote:
Okay, guys, Blizzard already has addressed this. So stop whining and read this post :
They said that they can add in Chat Rooms any time they want, they already have the code, but they want a better system, so instead of adding it in BETA, there seeing if there is a better system. They still want the same community feel, why would they not? Think for a second. The interegating WoW and lolfacebook, so it creates a community. And you think they don't want to? When the games out they will know if they have a better system or not, if they don't, well here are the chat rooms. At school, so can't find source, but what they have done so far is they want to create a community. Why do you think they forums? Why do you think they allow a bunch of fan sites.
Are you serious? Why do they have forums? They have forums because just about every major game developed has forums both pre and post-release. It's difficult to generate and maintain hype about a game without giving a venue for fanboys to crusade against anyone who criticize something about it. Also, do you think TL.net went to Blizzard to get permission to make a site about Starcraft? Of course not. Fan sites are free advertising for the company. There's no reason any sensible company would put a lockdown on those. Besides, it would be difficult to shut down fan sites anyway (if for some strange reason, they wanted to) because there's this thing called "freedom of speech" on the internet.
For everyone constantly reminding us that this is a BETA, let's all remind ourselves that we're at a point in this beta where we're like 2 months away from the game's retail release. If there's a feature as simple as chatrooms that isn't yet implemented, it's generally pretty safe to assume that we're probably not going to see it at release. All that talk about how they want people to play the game rather than idle in a chatroom is complete BS to me simply because people idle in chatrooms when they don't want to play. In that case, instead of idling, they'll just turn the game off and go do something else anyway. It's not like you force people to play more by not implementing chat channels. The "it's just beta" argument also immediately fails just on the fact that it's already been stated numerous times that chatrooms are NOT going to be in the initial retail release of the game. The fact that they already supposedly have the code to implement chatrooms (which I don't doubt because it's not complicated to write up) and can implement them whenever they want, but are for some reason unwilling to implement them at release is a completely legitimate cause for concern because it obviously means that they don't actually have an intention of implementing it at all. If they did, why wouldn't they just do it?
Talking about how they want a community feel doesn't work when their initial plan at release is to not have open social interaction within the game. A game should not have to rely on fansites like TL.net or other programs such as Skype or Ventrilo for players to adequately communicate with eachother within the community so any such suggestions really have nothing to do with the issue at hand... Would Blizzard have released World of Warcraft without a general chat channel despite the fact that players could communicate through these other methods? Of course not, because that would be stupid. Why would it be considered any less stupid here?
I am well aware of Browder talking about having "something better" in mind or some BS like that, but I would immediately write that off as a load of bullshit simply because creating a venue for social interaction is not complicated. All this Facebook integration or whatever is just nonsense because while it's how we interact with our real-life friends, it has absolutely no relationship in most instances with the way we interact with our gaming friends. I've never had a gaming friend on my Facebook and I never will because my gaming life and my real life are two completely separate things and I've no desire to combine them. Chatrooms were an integral part of the Battle.net experience and frankly, they got it right the first time around. Whatever complaints of SPAM could easily be addressed by squelching spammers and having private, moderated channels so I don't see what part of the experience actually needs to be improved... This is all a massive miss on Blizzard's part. They're so far off the mark, but every interview Browder gives makes me feel that they might just be so arrogant that they don't realize how far off they actually are. Why bother asking the community for input if you're not going to listen to it?
Maybe I would actually be more convinced if Browder had given some details into what this supposedly "better system" actually is, but without any such details I will simply continue to assume that he's got a mouth full of shit that he's spewing to make it seem like he's actually in touch with how people feel. Of course I know I'll immediately be pounced on by a bunch of rabid Blizzard fanboys, but I'm just calling it the way I see it. You may be the type to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not. Suffice to say, there's no way I'm buying this game at launch... I am simply not the type that finds "fun" in sitting there laddering all day against random strangers I don't know and will never talk to again. Community is a big part of the game for me and seeing as how I don't have any friends on real life that play Starcraft or plan to play Starcraft 2, having no open community interaction within the game would not jive with me at all. I'll definitely wait to see what Blizzard does with this game before shelling out my money for it.
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Yeah I agree with this too and I agree with posting it on the bnet forums, even if it's been posted there before. Dunno why blizz has to be so retarded about this but if they don't have a chat system it is going to hurt long-term game sales.
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If I do not get into the first release of sc2 because blizz doesn't give me chat channels, I will not be buying the expansions.
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