Why I dont care about the beta anymore. - Page 7

On May 20 2010 00:01 stenole wrote:
I never would have met Dr Ling if I hadn't stalked Plexa into their secret chat channel.

On May 19 2010 18:45 TabyLing wrote:
I started playing broodwar in 2005, I found battle.net to be this strange and great place with so much option for communication and meeting people, it made it so fun, it wasn't just the game at all there was a huge social element that kept me going back years after i stopped playing seriously.

I have met so many people on battle.net from all over the world, made some really good friends and even met my partner on there. I went from friend group to friend group because it was so easy to make new friends and just relax and chat.

Now battle.net 2 is this cold and empty place, even though i have friends in the beta i barely have any interest playing it, there is nothing to make me want to go online, nowhere to idle and just chat about w/e or meet new people. I don't want some random channels saying your are meant to talk about a particular thing or weird stuff like that, the system in the original battle.net was perfect I don't understand why blizzard would change it, or completely subtract it, I have always thought during the whole time, blizzard is a great company, they aren't blind, they know what made the game successful, they wouldn't remove such an integral part... would they?

The social aspect has been removed so completely, even watching replays online with friends is gone. The hours me and my friends would spend playing, then watching reps, or more experienced players explaining things with reps, or just when everyone wants to eat or take a break from playing... This is no longer there, to be completely honest because of not being able to watch replays online i never really got into warcraft 3 and left it even though i had friends there. It just removed such an important social aspect for me.

It really does concern me, the so far complete lack of channels and social atmosphere, since it makes me uninterested in the beta, should I really spend so much on the game? I don't see myself playing it for long or enjoying the cold and lifeless multiplayer.

Some of the changes are pretty neat, it's easier to have a private conversation i guess, but the whole msn style of things for all conversations doesn't work at all.
I want a place to go to chat with the people I am playing with, A place with new interesting people that might join in the fun... I want to play starcraft and I want the socialness which was such an integral part of my continued interest and enjoyment while i played it.

On May 20 2010 01:57 JinMaikeul wrote:


Are you serious? Why do they have forums? They have forums because just about every major game developed has forums both pre and post-release. It's difficult to generate and maintain hype about a game without giving a venue for fanboys to crusade against anyone who criticize something about it. Also, do you think TL.net went to Blizzard to get permission to make a site about Starcraft? Of course not. Fan sites are free advertising for the company. There's no reason any sensible company would put a lockdown on those. Besides, it would be difficult to shut down fan sites anyway (if for some strange reason, they wanted to) because there's this thing called "freedom of speech" on the internet.

For everyone constantly reminding us that this is a BETA, let's all remind ourselves that we're at a point in this beta where we're like 2 months away from the game's retail release. If there's a feature as simple as chatrooms that isn't yet implemented, it's generally pretty safe to assume that we're probably not going to see it at release. All that talk about how they want people to play the game rather than idle in a chatroom is complete BS to me simply because people idle in chatrooms when they don't want to play. In that case, instead of idling, they'll just turn the game off and go do something else anyway. It's not like you force people to play more by not implementing chat channels. The "it's just beta" argument also immediately fails just on the fact that it's already been stated numerous times that chatrooms are NOT going to be in the initial retail release of the game. The fact that they already supposedly have the code to implement chatrooms (which I don't doubt because it's not complicated to write up) and can implement them whenever they want, but are for some reason unwilling to implement them at release is a completely legitimate cause for concern because it obviously means that they don't actually have an intention of implementing it at all. If they did, why wouldn't they just do it?

Talking about how they want a community feel doesn't work when their initial plan at release is to not have open social interaction within the game. A game should not have to rely on fansites like TL.net or other programs such as Skype or Ventrilo for players to adequately communicate with eachother within the community so any such suggestions really have nothing to do with the issue at hand... Would Blizzard have released World of Warcraft without a general chat channel despite the fact that players could communicate through these other methods? Of course not, because that would be stupid. Why would it be considered any less stupid here?

I am well aware of Browder talking about having "something better" in mind or some BS like that, but I would immediately write that off as a load of bullshit simply because creating a venue for social interaction is not complicated. All this Facebook integration or whatever is just nonsense because while it's how we interact with our real-life friends, it has absolutely no relationship in most instances with the way we interact with our gaming friends. I've never had a gaming friend on my Facebook and I never will because my gaming life and my real life are two completely separate things and I've no desire to combine them. Chatrooms were an integral part of the Battle.net experience and frankly, they got it right the first time around. Whatever complaints of SPAM could easily be addressed by squelching spammers and having private, moderated channels so I don't see what part of the experience actually needs to be improved... This is all a massive miss on Blizzard's part. They're so far off the mark, but every interview Browder gives makes me feel that they might just be so arrogant that they don't realize how far off they actually are. Why bother asking the community for input if you're not going to listen to it?

Maybe I would actually be more convinced if Browder had given some details into what this supposedly "better system" actually is, but without any such details I will simply continue to assume that he's got a mouth full of shit that he's spewing to make it seem like he's actually in touch with how people feel. Of course I know I'll immediately be pounced on by a bunch of rabid Blizzard fanboys, but I'm just calling it the way I see it. You may be the type to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not. Suffice to say, there's no way I'm buying this game at launch... I am simply not the type that finds "fun" in sitting there laddering all day against random strangers I don't know and will never talk to again. Community is a big part of the game for me and seeing as how I don't have any friends on real life that play Starcraft or plan to play Starcraft 2, having open community interaction within the game would not jive with me at all. I'll definitely wait to see what Blizzard does with this game before shelling out my money for it.

On May 20 2010 01:57 travis wrote:
Yeah I agree with this too and I agree with posting it on the bnet forums, even if it's been posted there before. Dunno why blizz has to be so retarded about this but if they don't have a chat system it is going to hurt long-term game sales.
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If I do not get into the first release of sc2 because blizz doesn't give me chat channels, I will not be buying the expansions.

On May 20 2010 02:14 Enragemana wrote:


Retarted? They know we want chat rooms, but they want to improve chat rooms, not remove them.

Your whining like an 8 year old, "I wont buy there expansions". THEY KNOW THAT. For christ's sake they know if they dont have chat rooms people will be upset. They aren't stupid, there is a reason why there are on top. They want something BETTER then chatrooms, if they can't figure anything out. Well then, there are your chat rooms. This complaint is a false complaint, because Blizzard knows.

On May 20 2010 02:07 nodq wrote:


You played WoW? If yes, you are one of these Persons who spam/talk all Day long in the *Trade* Chat, right? TBH... i think a Game is not there for heavy chatting, there is Facebook Twitter and all the stuff out there to do this. A Game is there to play it. And Private Chat, Group Chats is more than enough to communicate in the Game to make Groups or something like that.

WoW... why do all ppl talk in the Trade Chat? Instead of going in a private Chat? Most of them just wanna annoy other People (Spam.. etc.), or they want to distinguish oneself in a Public Chat, there is no other reason for it! And thats why we dont need any Public Chat like the Trade Chat in WoW. open up a Group Chat invite your People you wanna talk with, and thats it! Why do youw ant to distinguish yourself or annoy other People?

On May 20 2010 02:24 QueueQueue wrote:
I remember when people said they weren't going to buy MW2 as a result of lack of dedicated servers...

On May 19 2010 23:48 FrozenArbiter wrote:

So, instead they introduced identifiers, which means if someone messages me, I can't even block him cause I can't see what his identifier is ?

Anyway, I haven't had very many annoying people I've wanted to block, but it's gonna be an issue for some.


I love how this bug hasn't been fixed yet - it's been around since patch..... 9? 10?

On May 20 2010 02:21 travis wrote:

ok then i will wait until their facebookesque crap comes out and then I will complain ok?