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Vs P
2 barracks -> Ghost academy -> Expand when your army consists of 2 marauders, 7 marines, and 1 ghost. Build more barracks and produce marine, ghost, and a few marauders. When the P gets HT, get tanks and hellions.
Vs Z
1 barracks -> reaper bunker rush the Zerg's expansion -> hellion + igniter -> expand. From here, get 2-3 thors, marines, marauders, and medivacs.
Also, if you win by just massing banshees then you might want to switch up your TvT because, when you start playing against good people, that won't work.
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On May 16 2010 03:47 Synwave wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 03:41 AeonFlux wrote:
Viking die to muta. ALL NOW THAT.
marines can defend is game start but useless later.
also if he dosnt build muta viking are useless cas they need to land to attack and landed its worst unit in game (dies to roaches and stalkerz and to lings and to any unit)
viking can defend vs void ray but then toss killez u by land cas u have USELESS viknig when he has very cool void ray. also void ray can kill vikingz some times. (even not heated) Im sorry I cant follow your logic. It consists of: Some units are better vs other units, therefore any unit I build is bad because he has a unit that is better than it. Guess what, some of your units are better than others of his. So by your logic any unit he builds is bad because you have a unit that is better than it. This is a shallow qq thread, I really shouldn't have replied to it.
U STUPID?
i just say zerg has HARD COUNTER to vikins and marines. when rines are SOFT counter to muta.
void ray is counter to ANY terran unit exept viking. and viking is SOFT counter to void ray (or even not counter).
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On May 16 2010 04:14 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 03:45 Darthturtle wrote:
Do you ever get ghosts?
EMP the protoss units, and snipe the banelings. Grats, you just solved both your problems. Yes, you can EMP protoss units. However, getting ghost tech to "snipe banelings" is the worst idea ever lol. It's too expensive and too ineffective. It's better to just get tanks and make a slow push.
Not if you're getting the ghosts to emp infestors anyway. Would I spend 25 energy to prevent huge damage to my bio troops? You bet your ass I would.
Are we talking about rushing for ghosts, though? Then no, I'd probably deal with banelings some other way. Ghosts get into your army when you need them to deal with other units too.
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this thread is full of fail lolll
"50th place platinum"? first, to address the issue of ranking, it's a much more accurate description to put your ELO when people need to judge your skill level. for all we know you could have been placed in a brand new division for platinum. secondly, are you really platinum...? this really seems like a fat troll because i wouldnt identify the matchup problems you have as problems platinum players would have...
your spelling pisses me off too... "cas"? LOL
"I treied everything."
stop nerd raging in your posts...AXXAXAXAXAX? hahahaha
for some real advice...it's been mostly said already...work on your unit composition. i think the key to making that right composition means constant scouting, scanning, and predicting what your opponent will build. then have a good mix of units. next, SC2 shouldnt be a one attack vs one attack game, you can win battles on many fronts, so stop thinking about just the big battle. stick it through and try new things, thats the only way to get better
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what u say IS ALL SHIT have u watched EURO VS ASIA games when Check vs Strelok spammed Muta and Banelings and totally destroyed terran.
ELO is for noobz.. if i play 1 game in 3 days how could i have big elo? u shd learn theme which says that ELO raiting is shit.
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if youre going to say "what u say IS ALL SHIT" then why post in these forums...?
im seriously just waiting for a mod now hahaha
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On May 16 2010 04:24 thunddr wrote:
if youre going to say "what u say IS ALL SHIT" then why post in these forums...?
im seriously just waiting for a mod now hahaha
i just want blizzard to fix imbalance
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I agree with Aeon. Void Ray's are OP. Period.
Please, don't tell me to counter with Marines. It doesn't work. The only unit the Terrans have that can effectively counter Void Rays (WITH Micro, so not just straight up) are Vikings. Which leaves you open to a strong ground timing attack by Protoss.
Also, it is extremely hard to scout Protoss and see if they are going VoidRays. A lot of the players simply Proxy their Stargate somewhere on the map and go to down.
Turrets are quite expensive, and put you in a defensive position. 2 VoidRays also crush a Turret and will be able to exploit any weak spots with easy and literally MELT your entire army.
Finally, the threat of VoidRays is so great that it forces me to make Vikings, which is bad if Protoss switches to Ground Pounding units. Or, decided to simply hold back and pump 3-4 Void Rays and simply overwhelm me because I did not cont to pump more vikings. Its a real pain in the butt.
Again, Marines are trash against Void Rays (fully charged, which is easy to do btw).
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regarding "imbalance"
please listen to day9 daily's...i think theyll do you wonders.
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U STUPID?
i just say zerg has HARD COUNTER to vikins and marines. when rines are SOFT counter to muta.
void ray is counter to ANY terran unit exept viking. and viking is SOFT counter to void ray (or even not counter).
Ok I'm having a hard time believing this isn't a troll, because obviously other terrans have successfully beat protoss/zerg (in fact they do it pretty close to 50% of the time). Your HARD COUNTER to muta is thor, which can kill 5+ muta by itself. 5 marines can kill a void ray so who cares about soft counter/hard counter BS anyway. Basically the problem is that you refuse to admit the reason behind your loses is not the terran race.
agree with Aeon. Void Ray's are OP. Period.
Please, don't tell me to counter with Marines. It doesn't work. The only unit the Terrans have that can effectively counter Void Rays (WITH Micro, so not just straight up) are Vikings. Which leaves you open to a strong ground timing attack by Protoss.
Also, it is extremely hard to scout Protoss and see if they are going VoidRays. A lot of the players simply Proxy their Stargate somewhere on the map and go to down.
Turrets are quite expensive, and put you in a defensive position. 2 VoidRays also crush a Turret and will be able to exploit any weak spots with easy and literally MELT your entire army.
Finally, the threat of VoidRays is so great that it forces me to make Vikings, which is bad if Protoss switches to Ground Pounding units. Or, decided to simply hold back and pump 3-4 Void Rays and simply overwhelm me because I did not cont to pump more vikings. Its a real pain in the butt.
Again, Marines are trash against Void Rays (fully charged, which is easy to do btw).
I used to think VR's were OP too, but they really aren't. They are quite easy to deal with, 5marine+1ghost counters them easily. The real problem in TvP is that P has so many options that lower level Ts have problems scouting and reacting accordingly; T is basically forced to open 3 rax most games (I have found starport+viking builds to be inefficient vs VR and terrible vrs 4gaterobo). All T players should learn to just use their second 50 energy to scan toss - if you don't see 3/4 gate or robo, it is very likely they are going VR.
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I think some one is trolling.
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On May 16 2010 04:27 expendable wrote:Show nested quote +
U STUPID?
i just say zerg has HARD COUNTER to vikins and marines. when rines are SOFT counter to muta.
void ray is counter to ANY terran unit exept viking. and viking is SOFT counter to void ray (or even not counter).
Ok I'm having a hard time believing this isn't a troll
On May 16 2010 04:29 juggurnot wrote:
I think some one is trolling.
why? do you not think there are plenty of genuinely stupid people, such as this fine chap, all over the internet?
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go ask white-ra for advise in russian xD
cuz i can't understand your english
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day9? that noob who lost exebition friendly game to some toss (forgot his name) with 0-3 score? bxaxaxaxax..
terran has 50% win rate cas ZERG AND TOSS WITH WORSE SKILL GET HIGHER IN LADDER. where they meet much more skilled terrans which makes 50% in statistics.
thor is slow useless unit if i have to build it = i lose game cas lost of map control. muta can just fly around and kill everithng exept stupid thor (but when theres more muta they easily kill thor).
i agreew with Rathorne..
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5 Marines vs. 1 Void Ray?
LOL. That is hilarious. If its not charged, maybe. Once its charged your 5 marines mean nothing. Its not like the Protoss will simply allow the Void Ray to die to Marines. He'll move it back, hit/run and recharge shields.
The most success I've had against Protoss is trying to cheese them out by Reaper Rushing them. Otherwise, It's almost a for sure loss. (if they go Void Rays).
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btw about 50% win of terran.. i thnik most of that wins are 2 proxy rax marine cheese
or probably terran win all games when toss dosnt make void ray (cas higher terran players skill) and lose all games when toss make void rays (u can remember 1st game of some toss vs bratok which he easily won on blisering vs void ray and lost all other games where he didnt use void rays).
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On May 16 2010 04:33 AeonFlux wrote:
day9? that noob who lost exebition friendly game to some toss (forgot his name) with 0-3 score? bxaxaxaxax..
terran has 50% win rate cas ZERG AND TOSS WITH WORSE SKILL GET HIGHER IN LADDER. where they meet much more skilled terrans which makes 50% in statistics.
thor is slow useless unit if i have to build it = i lose game cas lost of map control. muta can just fly around and kill everithng exept stupid thor (but when theres more muta they easily kill thor).
i agreew with Rathorne..
why is this guy not banned yet...
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oh look more proof im right
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On May 16 2010 04:25 AeonFlux wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 04:24 thunddr wrote:
if youre going to say "what u say IS ALL SHIT" then why post in these forums...?
im seriously just waiting for a mod now hahaha i just want blizzard to fix imbalance
go to battle.net forums, dont troll here :|
if you are asking for HELP, do it politely or no one would like to help you :|
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im sorry but learn how to play dont mass a unit just to counter one unit that u will lose to just put some more in and dont complain especially because there is no imbalance im sorry that your not good
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