EPTStop saying "I'm rank 5 platinum". - Page 6
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skYfiVe
United States382 Posts
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pat965
Canada274 Posts
On May 08 2010 04:46 skYfiVe wrote: All that happens by saying what rank you are is trying to see who has the bigger e-peen ^_^. Just say your in platinum or w/e.. but honestly ladder doesn't even mean anything. When you're trying to convince people, telling them your ELO does mean something. It differentiates and tells you if the player is rank 5 in his 5 man division, or if the player has played, and won a lot of games, and has alot of experience. Doesn't automatically mean the player is good, but at the very least they're not too naive. There's no need to try to interpret ELO in a super-duper accurate way either, at least not for the purposes outlined in the OP edit: replace ELO with just plain "rating" | ||
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XXXSmOke
United States1333 Posts
Hmmmmm. | ||
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Thamoo
Canada234 Posts
On May 08 2010 05:02 XXXSmOke wrote: Or people could just actully listen to the ideas of people and judge off of that.... Hmmmmm. Theres two possiblities with this : - You're already amazingly good at the game and don't need to read advices on forums. - You're not good enough to correctly judge most ideas. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
On May 08 2010 05:02 XXXSmOke wrote: Or people could just actully listen to the ideas of people and judge off of that.... Hmmmmm. I would agree with this. That the validity of the argument doesn't matter who its coming from. This is the same as someone saying "Marines are a good idea against Immortals"... and then someone else- just attacking the person: "You're an idiot"... rather than attacking the argument. Hitler was a vegetarian. This does not mean that its a bad idea, just because the person was. Arguments should be considered separate from their presenter. Supporting arguments involving replays of Pro-Gamers or tourny play vs Bronze League is another thing. Obviously, seeing things done correctly is going to take a skilled player. But, anything nonsense you spout isn't correct just because you are platinum... and likewise a Bronze player might have a really good idea- that he just cant execute. But if say, White-rA were to do it- it would be deadly. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
On May 08 2010 04:43 Logo wrote: Actually keys were available before the last reset. I got my key on day 1 of the offer, played 1 day, got wiped, then had to make a new account. Most of the people got keys significantly after they became available. Word of mouth takes a little time to get around, esp for the people that arnt as interested. Which is the exact same type of people in the higher numbered divisions. | ||
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systemA
95 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 08 2010 04:29 phamou wrote: Alright thanks, however, why is it so? How do you get placed in division 2 then? If i am understanding correctly, when I played my placement matches i was placed in Gold div 30. Does this mean that they just place the players by order of whoever did their placement matches first? (ie: this means that 100 people got placed in div29 just because they did their placement matches a few days before me?) Can we therefore conclude that div2 vs div30 is either more active and have better players? Divisions are basically made as people need them. In other words, divisions are more or less filled in the order people finish their placement matches. In the early days of the beta, people who were good generally got their keys earlier. As such, the lower numbered divisions usually had a higher skill cap. However, since the resets, all skill levels across divisions are roughly equal. @systema: People's rank matters when they're theorycrafting or saying certain things about the game. Someone who has 1800 elo in plat would likely have better, more relevant, and more accurate things to say than someone with 900 elo in copper. | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On May 08 2010 05:14 systema wrote: People need to stop caring what their rank is and just play the damn BETA. obviously people want to lend credibility to their gameplay discussions, which is where rank/rating comes in. The issue that the OP brought up is that rank is more or less meaningless when compared with rating. If you weren't sure how good someone is, which of these gives a better indicator of how good they are? "I'm rank #1 platinum" "I'm 1950 platinum" Obviously the rating gives a more accurate view of how well someone is doing at the ladder. There are plenty of rank 1 plats out there (1 for every division in fact), but there AREN'T many people with 1950+ rating (< than 20 I would guess). Hell if you were unranked and hopped on b.net right now and went 10-0 or 15-0 you would easily be #1 plat of a new division. That doesn't mean you're good or even decent by any means. | ||
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goswser
United States3548 Posts
Hell if you were unranked and hopped on b.net right now and went 10-0 or 15-0 you would easily be #1 plat of a new division. That doesn't mean you're good by any means. Soooo not true, 15-0 gets you nowhere near 1950, someone in my division is like 28-4 and he is 15th. | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On May 08 2010 05:26 Newguy wrote: Soooo not true, 15-0 gets you nowhere near 1950, someone in my division is like 28-4 and he is 15th. lol, self-owned. Did I say 15-0 would get you 1950 rating? ^^ You just displayed your ignorance of the difference between rank & rating. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
It seems like it could be similar to wow arena I guess, where equal skilled teams will +12 and -12 for a w/l once they reach enough games to have rating=hidden rating, and it seems like ratings are set to grow for most people right now, and most people are below 1500. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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tathecat563
United States96 Posts
I personally hover around 1600-1700 Platinum in 2v2's, consistently winning and losing about 1/2 my games once I hit this range. This is actually the 2nd time I've hit this range (pre-wipe and post-wipe) and pre-wipe it was 1550-1650 so I've improved a tad. | ||
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Meatloaf
Spain664 Posts
really interesting , take a look! THE ELO RATING SYSTEM | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On May 08 2010 05:42 tathecat563 wrote: The point system actually does reflect your skill after you play many, many games (around 100+ for most people, probably 200+ for really good people). Although it was a bit perplexing when there was that silver player with 2100(?) points (correct me if I'm wrong). I personally hover around 1600-1700 Platinum in 2v2's, consistently winning and losing about 1/2 my games once I hit this range. This is actually the 2nd time I've hit this range (pre-wipe and post-wipe) and pre-wipe it was 1550-1650 so I've improved a tad. A high rating in silver is the equivalent of a mid-level rating in a higher bracket like Gold or Platinum. He just plays a lot and does well against other Silvers. In all likelihood he's a decent Platinum player that just got stuck there and the system refused to promote him. Happened a lot in the first few weeks where the criteria for promotion was... well I dunno. Nobody knew. It was really strict on some people and really leniant on others. | ||
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splcer
United States166 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:08 zealing wrote: lol i love how many noobs on here are like "divisions mean nothing kekeke, div 1 is the same as 100" no its not, stop saying it is, your wrong accept it and F10 S. your wrong accept it edit: if you started late u join a recently created division own everyone and your in first but still have low points doesnt mean your not as good as the people who have been playing but just have playeed a lot more games | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On May 08 2010 05:54 Bibdy wrote: A high rating in silver is the equivalent of a mid-level rating in a higher bracket like Gold or Platinum. He just plays a lot and does well against other Silvers. In all likelihood he's a decent Platinum player that just got stuck there and the system refused to promote him. Happened a lot in the first few weeks where the criteria for promotion was... well I dunno. Nobody knew. It was really strict on some people and really leniant on others. I assume you're both referring to scsz, highest rated silver player in the US. Firstly, that was a few patches ago, before the first reset. No, he wasn't only doing well against other Silvers. He was winning consistently against top platinum players. Him not getting promoted pointed to a serious problem in the way promotions were handled, which was fixed in later patches. It's basically a non-issue currently. Edit: It was fixed in patch 6: Improved the system that handles promotion and relegation between Leagues. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On May 08 2010 05:55 splcer wrote: your wrong accept it edit: if you started late u join a recently created division own everyone and your in first but still have low points doesnt mean your not as good as the people who have been playing but just have playeed a lot more games That doesn't mean you've proven yourself to be that good, either. Being rank #1 means jack diddly squat if you just got placed, are sitting in division 3,031,964, the other 8 guys in your division are sitting at 5-0 with 1000 points and you play and win 1 more game. Whether you got placed in Division 1, or division 3,031,964 means nothing, but relative to the other people who could be in your division, your RANK means nothing either. RATING is the true measure. Use it. | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
On May 08 2010 04:46 skYfiVe wrote: All that happens by saying what rank you are is trying to see who has the bigger e-peen ^_^. Just say your in platinum or w/e.. but honestly ladder doesn't even mean anything. I'm an E-Thug yo, I gotta show what I gotz. | ||
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