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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
May 07 2010 18:56 GMT
#61
Won't the path you take to get to platinum affect your rating? Getting placed into platinum initially means you're going to start at 1000 platinum points and playing probably anyone else that's in platinum with a lower hidden rating. Working your way up from Bronze/Silver/Gold means your hidden rating is much more accurate, and likely much higher. Yet when you first enter platinum you're still going to get set to 1000 platinum points.

Over a very large # of games it may even out, but until you get to that point the #s aren't comparable. They may also never become comparable since you will have multiple opportunities to win points from someone who's 1000 platinum, but really should be 750 platinum or in Gold.
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Chriamon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States886 Posts
May 07 2010 18:57 GMT
#62
none of the beta rankings/ratings matter. Bonus pool causes so much inflation of points. They need to get rid of bonus pool and go to a straight up ELO system.
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shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 19:02:18
May 07 2010 18:57 GMT
#63
On May 08 2010 03:18 BroOd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 03:09 shinosai wrote:
On May 08 2010 03:04 BroOd wrote:
On May 08 2010 02:52 FortuneSyn wrote:
No it does not.

Next time you play someone thats "even" with you, go check and see if his rating equals your own. Most of the time / 50% of the time it does not.

the rating is basically there to show you how "good" you are relative to others in your division, not between divisions. If you are 200 pts below somebody in your division, that person is 200 pts better than you. That does not apply if you are in separate divisions.

edit: proof (found by shinosai)
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23766800567&sid=5000&pageNo=2


I think the Blizzard poster in there may have mis-spoken.

Can you explain why they would be different? I can't figure it out. The only thing I can think of that would separate the divisions would be the length of time one player has over another in accruing bonus points. Apart from that, why wouldn't their rankings be basically relative to one another? Everyone plays outside his own division, so why would 1400 points earned in division 53 not be similar to 1400 points earned in division 54?

Your point about whether you are "even" with your opponent is irrelevant, as the favored system is almost certainly broken at the moment.


I don't see why we would assume the Blizzard poster would be wrong. They usually give us pretty accurate information, and if they don't, they generally correct it.

They would be different if every division existed in its own bubble, and gave points based on how well you were doing in comparison to your division rather than comparing yourself to the player base as a whole. Which is precisely what the blue poster implies when he says that points are not directly comparable between divisions.


I wasn't suggesting he was wrong, but that he may have explained it incorrectly. Why would every division exist in a bubble? It seems so non-sensical.

Basically, if I have 1400 points, and someone else has 1400 points, and we both beat identically ranked players, I might get more points than him because I'm in a different division (disregarding any bonus)? What possible purpose could that serve? (I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that it makes no sense for that to be the case)


It doesn't make any sense. I'm not saying their system is good, in fact it's pretty retarded. If anything we need to ask them to change it, instead of saying "Oh well it would be so stupid if ranks (*edit: I meant ratings here) between divisions weren't comparable... so let's just assume they are!" I think we have to take it at face value that the ratings aren't comparable and ask them to change it. We can't just put our hands over our ears and pretend ratings are comparable because they "should" be.

Basically I'm operating under the assumption that what the Blizzard representative said is true, rather than what ought to be true.
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Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 19:01:12
May 07 2010 18:59 GMT
#64
On May 08 2010 02:49 shinosai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 02:40 Kashll wrote:
On May 08 2010 02:36 FortuneSyn wrote:
It's a much better indication, but 1400 plat div54 still does not equal 1400 plat div1.


Yes it does...


Oh does it?


http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23766800567&sid=5000&pageNo=2
Post 35


such that the rankings in one division don't directly translate to the other divisions.


On May 08 2010 02:34 bodysnatcher21 wrote:
If you want to give an indication of your skill, use your rating.


Ranking

=/=
Rating


The more you know!
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Thug[ro]
Profile Joined October 2005
Romania340 Posts
May 07 2010 19:01 GMT
#65
it's only beta who cares about ranks lol
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
May 07 2010 19:01 GMT
#66
On May 08 2010 03:59 Half wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 02:49 shinosai wrote:
On May 08 2010 02:40 Kashll wrote:
On May 08 2010 02:36 FortuneSyn wrote:
It's a much better indication, but 1400 plat div54 still does not equal 1400 plat div1.


Yes it does...


Oh does it?


http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23766800567&sid=5000&pageNo=2
Post 35

Sorry I misunderstood what the OP was referring to. I didn't mean to imply that one division is ranked better than the other, but simply explaining the basics of divisions. As far as comparison across divisions it's certainly something we've considered but there are issues, such that the rankings in one division don't directly translate to the other divisions. So you couldn't compare division 10 to division 48 and compare one player's points to another.


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such that the rankings in one division don't directly translate to the other divisions.


Show nested quote +
rankings in one division don't directly


Show nested quote +
rankings in one division


Show nested quote +
rankings


=/=

Show nested quote +
rating


The more you know!


So you couldn't compare division 10 to division 48 and compare one player's points to another


points


0_0
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Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 19:04:21
May 07 2010 19:02 GMT
#67
On May 08 2010 04:01 ThugTerran wrote:
it's only beta who cares about ranks lol


We are beta testing the game and bnet 2.0, obviously we should beta test the ladder aswell and say what we think about it

Yet when you first enter platinum you're still going to get set to 1000 platinum points.


You sure? last time i went up rank was form silver 2v2 to gold 2v2, and we started at 1200 points
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
May 07 2010 19:02 GMT
#68
Can someone explain what is wrong with bonus points? Doesn't everyone in the same division get them at the same rate?
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Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 19:05:47
May 07 2010 19:04 GMT
#69
On May 08 2010 04:01 shinosai wrote:

0_0


Either Browder isn't intelligent enough to make a sequitur sentence, or points refered to your ranking point.


I believe #2 is more likely. Don't be hatin on Browder.
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BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
May 07 2010 19:04 GMT
#70
On May 08 2010 03:57 Chriamon wrote:
none of the beta rankings/ratings matter. Bonus pool causes so much inflation of points. They need to get rid of bonus pool and go to a straight up ELO system.


here's another common mistake I see all the time.

Bonus pool doesn't cause any inflation:

On May 06 2010 07:41 BlasiuS wrote:

The bonus pool doesn't cause inflation. It's for people who don't start laddering until late in the season, to catch up with people who have been massgaming since day 1.

your rating should be determined by skill, not by how early in the season you decided to start massgaming =/ That's the whole reason why the bonus pool exists.
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Zedd
Profile Joined January 2010
Czech Republic107 Posts
May 07 2010 19:05 GMT
#71
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On May 08 2010 02:34 bodysnatcher21 wrote:
If you want to give an indication of your skill, use your rating.

E.G I am 1400 platinum, or I am 1200 gold.

Now I am rank 1 platinum, but I'm only 1500 rating, so it's actually not that great. In one of the older divisions, 1500 rating would only get me to rank 20 or something. So for me to go around telling people I am "rank 1 platinum" would be extremely misleading.

Ratings allow you to compare people in different divisions. Rank's do not.

So yeh, if you want to give an indication of your skill level, please use your rating instead of rank!


IMO, THIS IS COMPLETELY WRONG.


For example, if you are 10th in your platinum division with 1500, why should someone who has 1800 and is also 10th in his division should be better? Because he started playing earlier so he get bigger benefit from infamous point inflation?

Due to bonus pool(which cause point inflation), you cannot judge people between divisions only by rating. People who got their beta key later never cant compare their rating to those who got it earlier, if they are on same skill level.

I agree with you that judging by rank also isnt accurate, but I think its more accurate than judging by rating. Blizzard should definitely implement some sort of ELO system, I hope they will do.

Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
May 07 2010 19:05 GMT
#72
Well, you get them if you are not playing, some WoW dragover (rested exp) its completely pointless but blizzard wants players to feel like the achieve soemthing in the game even when they are not playing
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
May 07 2010 19:06 GMT
#73
On May 08 2010 04:04 Half wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 04:01 shinosai wrote:

0_0


Either Browder doesn't understand how to make a sequitur sentence, or points refered to your ranking point.


I believe #2 is more likely.


If that were the case then there would be no issues comparing divisions between each other, despite the claim that there were.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 19:11:44
May 07 2010 19:09 GMT
#74
On May 08 2010 04:06 shinosai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 04:04 Half wrote:
On May 08 2010 04:01 shinosai wrote:

0_0


Either Browder doesn't understand how to make a sequitur sentence, or points refered to your ranking point.
I believe #2 is more likely.


If that were the case then there would be no issues comparing divisions between each other, despite the claim that there were.


He claimed you couldn't compare RANKING points to each other. As in the subject of this OP. His entire post elaborates WHY you can't compare RANKING points to each other. If he said "points" later in the sentence, unless he specifically meant RATING points it would refer to RANKING points.

If his entire post referred to rankings, and comparing divisions together is impossible, his entire post would make no freaking sense in the english language.
Too Busy to Troll!
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 19:13:06
May 07 2010 19:11 GMT
#75
On May 08 2010 04:09 Half wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 04:06 shinosai wrote:
On May 08 2010 04:04 Half wrote:
On May 08 2010 04:01 shinosai wrote:

0_0


Either Browder doesn't understand how to make a sequitur sentence, or points refered to your ranking point.
I believe #2 is more likely.


If that were the case then there would be no issues comparing divisions between each other, despite the claim that there were.


He claimed you couldn't compare RANKING points to each other. As in the subject of this OP. His entire post elaborates WHY you can't compare RANKING points to each other. If he said "points" later in the sentence, unless he specifically meant RATING points it would refer to RANKING points.


His post was about why they couldn't do direct comparisons between divisions. And why they don't have a global ladder right now.

Look at the context of the thread. It's about having a top 100/1000 ladder. He's explaining why there isn't one.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 19:13:31
May 07 2010 19:13 GMT
#76
On May 08 2010 04:11 shinosai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 04:09 Half wrote:
On May 08 2010 04:06 shinosai wrote:
On May 08 2010 04:04 Half wrote:
On May 08 2010 04:01 shinosai wrote:

0_0


Either Browder doesn't understand how to make a sequitur sentence, or points refered to your ranking point.
I believe #2 is more likely.


If that were the case then there would be no issues comparing divisions between each other, despite the claim that there were.


He claimed you couldn't compare RANKING points to each other. As in the subject of this OP. His entire post elaborates WHY you can't compare RANKING points to each other. If he said "points" later in the sentence, unless he specifically meant RATING points it would refer to RANKING points.


His post was about why they couldn't do direct comparisons between divisions. And why they don't have a global ladder right now.



but there are issues, such that the rankings in one division don't directly translate to the other divisions.


How does this mean "impossible"? It means that it is doable, but their are issues.
Too Busy to Troll!
Bob300
Profile Joined April 2010
United States505 Posts
May 07 2010 19:13 GMT
#77
On May 08 2010 02:36 Chill wrote:
i agree but i dont think you need to make a thread about this/

Agreed
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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 07 2010 19:13 GMT
#78
this thread is true and necessary

but not AS necessary

As people that theorycraft/post suggestions starting with "I don't have the beta, but I've watched a lot of streams..."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-07 19:18:05
May 07 2010 19:14 GMT
#79
On May 08 2010 04:13 Half wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 04:11 shinosai wrote:
On May 08 2010 04:09 Half wrote:
On May 08 2010 04:06 shinosai wrote:
On May 08 2010 04:04 Half wrote:
On May 08 2010 04:01 shinosai wrote:

0_0


Either Browder doesn't understand how to make a sequitur sentence, or points refered to your ranking point.
I believe #2 is more likely.


If that were the case then there would be no issues comparing divisions between each other, despite the claim that there were.


He claimed you couldn't compare RANKING points to each other. As in the subject of this OP. His entire post elaborates WHY you can't compare RANKING points to each other. If he said "points" later in the sentence, unless he specifically meant RATING points it would refer to RANKING points.


His post was about why they couldn't do direct comparisons between divisions. And why they don't have a global ladder right now.


Show nested quote +

but there are issues, such that the rankings in one division don't directly translate to the other divisions.


How does this mean "impossible"? It means that it is doable, but their are issues.


Yes, there are issues. Issues that are probably not resolved by saying "lol rating points" despite the desperate desire to believe that the solution is truly that easy.

I'm off to get some food before the razer domination starts. =) I'll continue believing that there is an actual reason there is no ladder right now, you continue to believe that the reason there's no ladder is blizzard is too lazy to just rank people by points.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
May 07 2010 19:15 GMT
#80
this thread is true and necessary

but not AS necessary

As people that theorycraft/post suggestions starting with "I don't have the beta, but I've watched a lot of streams..."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


This, of course I don't know why everyone without beta keys doesn't just pre-order it and get them.
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