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Stop saying "I'm rank 5 platinum". - Page 3
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ccdnl
United States611 Posts
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Iwbhs
United States195 Posts
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:09 Alou wrote: Grubal is on my friends list in beta. He has beta, assuming it is the same one. Orly? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124089¤tpage=last | ||
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ManiacTheZealot
United States490 Posts
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FortuneSyn
1826 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:04 BroOd wrote: I think the Blizzard poster in there may have mis-spoken. Can you explain why they would be different? I can't figure it out. The only thing I can think of that would separate the divisions would be the length of time one player has over another in accruing bonus points. Apart from that, why wouldn't their rankings be basically relative to one another? Everyone plays outside his own division, so why would 1400 points earned in division 53 not be similar to 1400 points earned in division 54? Your point about whether you are "even" with your opponent is irrelevant, as the favored system is almost certainly broken at the moment. I don't know the correct answer. All I know is that when you play somebody "even" with you, you often dont have similar points. I don't know exactly what you mean about "even" with opponent being irrelevant. "Even" implies you lose/win equal amount of points (12), so if a 1400 and 1600 guy play each other infinite times, they will always have a 200 pt difference between each other despite being "even". | ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:09 shinosai wrote: I don't see why we would assume the Blizzard poster would be wrong. They usually give us pretty accurate information, and if they don't, they generally correct it. They would be different if every division existed in its own bubble, and gave points based on how well you were doing in comparison to your division rather than comparing yourself to the player base as a whole. Which is precisely what the blue poster implies when he says that points are not directly comparable between divisions. I wasn't suggesting he was wrong, but that he may have explained it incorrectly. Why would every division exist in a bubble? It seems so non-sensical. Basically, if I have 1400 points, and someone else has 1400 points, and we both beat identically ranked players, I might get more points than him because I'm in a different division (disregarding any bonus)? What possible purpose could that serve? (I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that it makes no sense for that to be the case) | ||
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BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:13 FortuneSyn wrote: I don't know the correct answer. All I know is that when you play somebody "even" with you, you often dont have similar points. I don't know exactly what you mean about "even" with opponent being irrelevant. "Even" implies you lose/win equal amount of points (12), so if a 1400 and 1600 guy play each other infinite times, they will always have a 200 pt difference between each other despite being "even". When I said it's irrelevant, I meant because as far as I can tell, it's functioning incorrectly at the moment. Opponents who are ranked lower than me in lower divisions have been "favored" or "slightly favored" vs me often, when they clearly shouldn't be. | ||
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FortuneSyn
1826 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:11 selboN wrote: Orly? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124089¤tpage=last wow, Grubal uses his mother's death to beg for a key. Then a couple hours later he validates somebody's claim, thereby telling us that you indeed have had a key for a long time already. So we have basically established that your word means shit around here huh. | ||
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:22 FortuneSyn wrote: wow, Grubal uses his mother's death to beg for a key. Then a couple hours later he validates somebody's claim, thereby telling us that you indeed have had a key for a long time already. So we have basically established that your word means shit around here huh. That was my thought process. | ||
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FortuneSyn
1826 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:20 BroOd wrote: When I said it's irrelevant, I meant because as far as I can tell, it's functioning incorrectly at the moment. Opponents who are ranked lower than me in lower divisions have been "favored" or "slightly favored" vs me often, when they clearly shouldn't be. I don't know it's suppose to be functioning this way. But the fact is that because of these inconsistencies, 1400 div1 does not equal 1300 div59. But hey, it's the best we got right now. | ||
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BabaBlackSheep
United States29 Posts
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byobong7
United States207 Posts
Blizzard uses the points I describe in #3 to match people up, and its how they determine who is favored or not. The idea behind this hidden fast changing points system is if you are in a slump (or doing really well) the system wants to quickly match you up to people of your current skill level. Using the slow changing points system from #2 wouldn't do that as it changes very slowly over time. When people have played 100+ games though the points from #2 and #3 will be close to each other. This is because the system will start really learning your true 'skill level' (which may slowly change) and #3 will start changing very slowly, and #2 will eventually catch up and they will even out. Blizzard uses this exact same point system in WoW, they also 'hid' this true skill number for a long time but eventually made it available to see. The biggest difference between WoW and SC2 is that SC2 has everyone split up into divisions and leagues. WoW is split up in a different way in which people can't be compared at all because they have completely different player pools. SHORT VERSION: If both players have played 100+ games on the ladder, the rating points shown in game is probably a very good comparison across divisions, otherwise it can be quite off. EDIT: Also over time because of BONUS points that will cause inflation a 1400 points early in a season is a lot more impressive than 1400 points at the end of a season. | ||
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HeyheyLBJ
Sweden160 Posts
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:13 FortuneSyn wrote: I don't know the correct answer. All I know is that when you play somebody "even" with you, you often dont have similar points. That is because every player has 2 ratings: a public rating that is shown to everyone, and a hidden AMM rating. The hidden rating is what is used to determine who's favored in a match. This has nothing to do with the points system. The points system works the same across all divisions. Winning a game against a favored opponent gives the same amount of points whether that opponent is in division 2 or in division 479. Same for slightly favored, same for you being favored, same for you being slightly favored, same for even teams. What division you are in has no bearing on the points system. On May 08 2010 03:08 zealing wrote: lol i love how many noobs on here are like "divisions mean nothing kekeke, div 1 is the same as 100" no its not, stop saying it is, your wrong accept it and F10 S. rofl you know that new divisions are created only as current divisions fill up right? so you if you did your placement matches within 2 or 3 hours after a reset (putting you in division 1 or 2), and NonY decided to wait a week before doing his placement matches (putting him in division 100), you would say you're better than NonY? No. | ||
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roemy
Germany432 Posts
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byobong7
United States207 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:47 HeyheyLBJ wrote: Not that rating means anything anyway. You win like 30-50 points if you win and lose 5? Whoever plays most and isn't completely retarded will lead the rankings. This isn't really true. At first you may experience something like this, but as you play more games you will find that losses will mean more. You have to really play a lot of games (probably 100+ range) to really start 'evening' out. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
I am in some shitty division, like 70 or something, and ive played Incontrol, LZgamer, etc etc where most of my division isnt even above 1200 yet. And to show how pointless this rank system is.. For me, I am about 200 pts above 2nd place, so its not even a challenge really, and I find I play less games because I have no competition in this shitty division, where if there was a REAL ladder, I wouldnt even be ranked 100 on US east right now, which would make me want to play more to get it. (part of that is due to time constraints, but still, its not as desirable to play when you are so far ahead of a weak division) | ||
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
 i hope it wont be this way during retail | ||
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Foreplay
United States1154 Posts
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Snowfield
1289 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:08 zealing wrote: lol i love how many noobs on here are like "divisions mean nothing kekeke, div 1 is the same as 100" no its not, stop saying it is, your wrong accept it and F10 S. So, because you got placed in platinum faster / sat up all night waiting for the reset patch to come out to instantly play your games means your better then a guy who has teh same W/L and same points as you that did his placement matches a couple of days later or a player who started in copper but has played and played much more then you and eventually become a platinum player? yeah ok, makes sense :S I just wish everyone would be placed in gold and had to make your way to plat, because right now, theres some really bad players in plat | ||
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