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semantics
10040 Posts
Why can't you just theory craft shit out. You want to shove your x all up in their y BO5 it to shut them up. | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On May 08 2010 04:13 {88}iNcontroL wrote: this thread is true and necessary but not AS necessary As people that theorycraft/post suggestions starting with "I don't have the beta, but I've watched a lot of streams..." NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO haha I love those. They're always a giant wall of text | ||
Empyrean
16998 Posts
On May 08 2010 04:13 {88}iNcontroL wrote: this thread is true and necessary but not AS necessary As people that theorycraft/post suggestions starting with "I don't have the beta, but I've watched a lot of streams..." NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Definitely. I refrained from posting anything in the SC2 forums until I actually started playing >_> | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:57 Chriamon wrote: none of the beta rankings/ratings matter. Bonus pool causes so much inflation of points. They need to get rid of bonus pool and go to a straight up ELO system. Bonus Pool inflates everyone's points the same, and I'm pretty sure its been scaled back a lot since earlier builds. I hadn't played for about a week and had like 200 bonus pool sitting and waiting in earlier stages of the Beta. After a week of not playing 2v2 RT I only have like 40 right now. | ||
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phamou
Canada193 Posts
therefore, YES or NO? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 08 2010 04:19 phamou wrote: Ok, so can someone CONFIRM me, is 1400 Gold division 2 = 1400 Gold Division 60? All the past 5 pages some say yes, some say no. therefore, YES or NO? It's the same. The reason is because you play people who aren't in your division. The only difference is that 1400 div 2 will likely to only be around rank 15 while 1400 div 60 could easily be top 5 ranks. | ||
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Zedd
Czech Republic107 Posts
On May 06 2010 07:41 BlasiuS wrote: The bonus pool doesn't cause inflation. It's for people who don't start laddering until late in the season, to catch up with people who have been massgaming since day 1. your rating should be determined by skill, not by how early in the season you decided to start massgaming =/ That's the whole reason why the bonus pool exists. With all respect, you dont have any idea what point inflaiton is. You were talking about reason, why bonus point system was implemented, but that doesnt mean it doesnt caused point inflation in the system. Point inflation means, that the people in earlier created division have more points than people in recent created division. It also means, that sum of all player ratings should be different from division to division. You can easily prove that the sum varies between the divisions. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On May 08 2010 04:19 phamou wrote: Ok, so can someone CONFIRM me, is 1400 Gold division 2 = 1400 Gold Division 60? All the past 5 pages some say yes, some say no. therefore, YES or NO? Its the same. DIVISION means nothing. Its just an arbitrary list of people you get lumped with. Getting moved from Division to Division is just Bnet's way of evening out the distribution of people within all of the divisions. RANK within that division is therefore meaningless, because an average player lumped in with a bunch of bads (and its not hard getting into plat if you get placed against 5 noobs in your placement games) is going to have a high rank. Rank therefore becomes meaningless when there's no way to distinguish between 'king of the noobs' and 'king of the pros'. RATING (the 1000+ number) is important, because its a numerical measure of how successful you are against everyone within that bracket. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On May 08 2010 04:26 Zedd wrote: With all respect, you dont have any idea what point inflaiton is. You were talking about reason, why bonus point system was implemented, but that doesnt mean it doesnt caused point inflation in the system. Point inflation means, that the people in earlier created division have more points than people in recent created division. It also means, that sum of all player ratings should be different from division to division. You can easily prove that the sum varies between the divisions. Your last sentence isn't the case, though. People who joined the beta shortly after a reset started with bonus pool already sitting there waiting for them. Bonus Pool accumulates even for accounts that haven't been created, yet. Make one today and you'll start with bonus pool. | ||
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phamou
Canada193 Posts
On May 08 2010 04:22 Ryuu314 wrote: It's the same. The reason is because you play people who aren't in your division. The only difference is that 1400 div 2 will likely to only be around rank 15 while 1400 div 60 could easily be top 5 ranks. Alright thanks, however, why is it so? How do you get placed in division 2 then? If i am understanding correctly, when I played my placement matches i was placed in Gold div 30. Does this mean that they just place the players by order of whoever did their placement matches first? (ie: this means that 100 people got placed in div29 just because they did their placement matches a few days before me?) Can we therefore conclude that div2 vs div30 is either more active and have better players? | ||
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yiff
United States63 Posts
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On May 08 2010 04:28 Bibdy wrote: Your last sentence isn't the case, though. People who joined the beta shortly after a reset started with bonus pool already sitting there waiting for them. Bonus Pool accumulates even for accounts that haven't been created, yet. Make one today and you'll start with bonus pool. Yep, I started out a while after the reset when I got my beta key and had a big fat 63 point pool just waiting for me. | ||
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yoshi_yoshi
United States440 Posts
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Ursad0n
United States523 Posts
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Zedd
Czech Republic107 Posts
On May 08 2010 04:28 Bibdy wrote: Your last sentence isn't the case, though. People who joined the beta shortly after a reset started with bonus pool already sitting there waiting for them. Bonus Pool accumulates even for accounts that haven't been created, yet. Make one today and you'll start with bonus pool. Well I wrote my previous post bad, my apologies. Still if there is no point inflation in system, sum of all ratings for one division should be the same every time. That isnt true, because you get more bonus points as time goes by, so the sum is growing. EDIT: Also I know you get some bonus points when starting later, but I am not sure if you get same amount as someone, who started collecting them right after reset. | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
On May 08 2010 02:51 BroOd wrote: The "lower division = better" comes from the early days of beta, where many good players got keys first and were placed in the low divisions. Since the resets, this is largely irrelevant. Wrong. This phenomena still exists currently. When was the last reset? And then keys became as easy as candy to get from GS. That's why all these upper divisions sprang into existence almost overnight. Many of these new beta key players are playing the placements at the same time as others and go 5-0 and are placed into plat. (And yes, for some reason you play against other new players in your placements, my 2nd account I used to test this got placed into plat going 5-0 ezpz against pretty much silver level players) If they did a reset right now, and then everything got mixed up again the leagues would have meaning. As it stands, the upper divisions are pretty terribad. I'm gold in a lower division (deserved since i am not gosu) but I destroy my friends who recently got keys and all somehow placed into plat. | ||
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Lixler
United States265 Posts
On May 08 2010 04:40 SichuanPanda wrote: I'm up to rank 9 division 45 and still climbing quickly/not facing much competition, so clearly there is vast differences from division to division. In rank, yes. Which is the entire point of the thread. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
You sure? last time i went up rank was form silver 2v2 to gold 2v2, and we started at 1200 points No I'm not actually. It does seem like your rating in the new ladder is the result of some sort of magic, some magic that doesn't seem like it's going to immediately put you at the right score in your new level of play. I mean think about it; If you get promoted from 1400 gold -> platinum what should your rating be? There's just no way to accurately tell unless there's a direct function of hidden rating -> division score. But we know that division score inflates while hidden rating shouldn't and that 2 people at the same hidden rating can be in different leagues with different points. Hell if hidden rating DOES inflate then we have a much much bigger problem than any of this other crap. And then keys became as easy as candy to get from GS. That's why all these upper divisions sprang into existence almost overnight Actually keys were available before the last reset. I got my key on day 1 of the offer, played 1 day, got wiped, then had to make a new account. | ||
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zealing
Canada806 Posts
On May 08 2010 03:54 Snowfield wrote: So, because you got placed in platinum faster / sat up all night waiting for the reset patch to come out to instantly play your games means your better then a guy who has teh same W/L and same points as you that did his placement matches a couple of days later or a player who started in copper but has played and played much more then you and eventually become a platinum player? yeah ok, makes sense :S I just wish everyone would be placed in gold and had to make your way to plat, because right now, theres some really bad players in plat it makes sense that the first people to play got in the first divisions are better then people in the really high divisions like 100+ because people like me who got the key are not as good as people who got the key 2 months ago. cause of the ladder reset its kind of hard to tell because ya i coulda just done what you said but the bottom line is that most new players are placed in higher divisions because the division before that one was full, which means that the higher the divison goes the more newer players are, that doesn't mean their bad but i would bet any amount of money that if everyone in my divison which is 124 vs the first 50 divisons, mine would get owned, why? because people are still getting keys and new divisions are being made. so in conclusion the higher the division goes the more new players you meet. not saying all the people are bad, but most are new and less experienced then the players who have been playing since the first opt in. making higher divisions more nub. | ||
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