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The reason why im posting this is becouse Im currently in a game that looks like this:
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Im pretty tired so I didnt wanna bother myself with Micro so instead of taking his army head on I took a nydus worm into his base and hoped he would return to try and save it. He didnt, but Ive done this a lot of times. I take some of my drones off so I can build some buildings so I dont lose instantly. Then he lifts his raxxes. Now Ive got around 30 lings patrolling my 2 extractors and a douchebag who wont GG left.
Ive been noticing that ppl are more Bad Mannered in SC2 than they were in BW. Myself I rage quite a lot but I always admit defeat and I dont call people anything racist or homophobic. Have you guys noticed this too?
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I have had very little trouble with BM people. I am playing on Europe.
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Yeah no BM ppl for me in Europe.Maybe 1 in 50 games.
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If you don't have anything to kill the barracks, then... you didn't win. This isn't BM, he just doesn't want to lose points since you can't win. It sucks but that's what happens when you play a Terran.
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wait you dont have a hatchery? i dont get it. why would this tell you hes BMing you when you are also unable to kill him? either of you cant kill each other unless i am missing something here
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SC2 is "the shit" right now, it's going to be filled to the brim with angsty teenagers for the first couple of months/years.
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I think it's mostly because SC and BW came before kids started playing online. They started out with games like WoW and CS 1.6 though. Now they're in your beta  !
No but seriously, this kind of stuff just seems to grow larger and larger with every new major multiplayer game that comes out (Halo 3, MW2, L4D2 etc).
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That terran is saying, Why is this zerg so BM? I obviously have more buildings.. He should leave.
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On April 24 2010 23:17 DiTH wrote:
Yeah no BM ppl for me in Europe.Maybe 1 in 50 games.
Every time i win i pretty much get "go fuck yourself you fucking noob/geek/fagget"
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Nothing BM about not leaving in a draw. You are doing the very same thing.
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Coming from WC3, im used to alot more BM. WC3 os waaay worse than SC2 in my experience so far.
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It's rampant in US I think. A bunch of 7 year olds who are afraid of admitting defeat got into the beta over here.
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On April 24 2010 23:17 QuakerOats wrote:
If you don't have anything to kill the barracks, then... you didn't win. This isn't BM, he just doesn't want to lose points since you can't win. It sucks but that's what happens when you play a Terran.
But Im quite clearly the one who rightfully won the game, I took his army and everything except for his rax, he cant kill my stuff either so he didnt win it either if thats what youre saying.
He also said in Chat:
"Haha, I can sit here for hours you know!"
To me that Bm, not admitting defeat.
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But Im quite clearly the one who rightfully won the game, I took his army and everything except for his rax, he cant kill my stuff either so he didnt win it either if thats what youre saying.
No one won. You didn't "rightfully" accomplish anything except a draw.
He also said in Chat:
"Haha, I can sit here for hours you know!"
To me that Bm, not admitting defeat.
He's not any more defeated than you are. His barracks can't kill your lings and your lings can't kill his barracks.
About the only thing bad mannered about this is you going to the forums and accusing him of being BM.
That said, there is definitely an element, at least on the NA servers, who are either ignorant of RTS etiquette, or who are deliberately jerks/immature. I don't know if it's worse than SC, because I ran into a lot of jerks in SC, but it's worse than I ever experienced in WC3.
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You're the one whos being BM, sport
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On April 24 2010 23:23 Sl4ktarN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2010 23:17 QuakerOats wrote:
If you don't have anything to kill the barracks, then... you didn't win. This isn't BM, he just doesn't want to lose points since you can't win. It sucks but that's what happens when you play a Terran. But Im quite clearly the one who rightfully won the game, I took his army and everything except for his rax, he cant kill my stuff either so he didnt win it either if thats what youre saying. He also said in Chat: "Haha, I can sit here for hours you know!" To me that Bm, not admitting defeat.
He's clearly the one who rightfully won the game, he took your buildings and everything except for your lings.
The point is that's NOT defeat since you literally cannot beat him.
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On April 24 2010 23:23 Sl4ktarN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2010 23:17 QuakerOats wrote:
If you don't have anything to kill the barracks, then... you didn't win. This isn't BM, he just doesn't want to lose points since you can't win. It sucks but that's what happens when you play a Terran. But Im quite clearly the one who rightfully won the game, I took his army and everything except for his rax, he cant kill my stuff either so he didnt win it either if thats what youre saying. He also said in Chat: "Haha, I can sit here for hours you know!" To me that Bm, not admitting defeat.
If you can't kill him you have not clearly or rightfully won the game. You can argue about that as much as you want, if you can't kill him you can't kill him.
Why should he admit defeat if he is not defeated?
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Hmm europe has a lot of bm people...
Most people I win against simply never say "gg" (even the computer is more polite) or simple flame me because my race is imba (I'm random by the way).
More rare but it still happens: the victor flame you cause you're a noob, I mean wtf?!
And in your case, well... it's very common indeed for the terran to do that shit, even if you got AA to kill him, he will fly away just to fuck with you... It's pretty sad to lose X minuts hunting down flying buildings just because of some kids that can't lose in their mind...
Edit: By the way you did not win that game. It's draw.
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The reason why it seems people are BM is because in other games, the commonality of gg is not that high.
ICCup helped to establish this mantra/doctrine where you just say gg after you lost, so it's considered bad mannered if you lose. We're having people from C&C, WC3, and even RTSes like Counter-Strike and Halo. The merging of communities easily will make SC2 on of the more bad mannered.
Sadly. 
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Just sit it out. That's the mature thing to do.
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lols you're both tools. it's beta. who gives a shit about points?
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On April 24 2010 23:26 MrRey wrote:
Hmm europe has a lot of bm people...
Most people I win against simply never say "gg" (even the computer is more polite) or simple flame me because my race is imba (I'm random by the way).
More rare but it still happens: the victor flame you cause you're a noob, I mean wtf?!
And in your case, well... it's very common indeed for the terran to do that shit, even if you got AA to kill him, he will fly away just to fuck with you... It's pretty sad to lose X minuts hunting down flying buildings just because of some kids that can't lose in their mind...
Edit: By the way you did not win that game. It's draw.
I can accept that, but im sure as hell not leaving. Ive still got the game in windowed mode.
What would happen if someone did this in a tournament btw?
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As far as I can tell, that games a draw dude... You didnt win anymore than he did, he has buildings you cant kill, you have buildings he cant kill. In a tournament this would be a re-game 100% and you are just as much of a dick as he is right now :\
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its a draw.... there should be some kind of draw button where both players can agree to a rematch or something
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On April 24 2010 23:27 Yaros wrote:
So...
who won?
Does anyone really ever win in these situations? >.>
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On April 24 2010 23:28 Zergneedsfood wrote:The reason why it seems people are BM is because in other games, the commonality of gg is not that high. ICCup helped to establish this mantra/doctrine where you just say gg after you lost, so it's considered bad mannered if you lose. We're having people from C&C, WC3, and even RTSes like Counter-Strike and Halo. The merging of communities easily will make SC2 on of the more bad mannered. Sadly.
I'm a WC3 player. It's a custom to say "gg" in this game too. Maybe less important than it is in BW though.
I personnaly whisper to anyone I win against who do not say gg. I say "gg". Just to remind them that's how it's to be done.
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It hapenned to me in sc1 before in an tourney and the mods decided to give the win to the zerg... but imo if you cant kill is buildings its a draw
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On April 24 2010 23:30 MrRey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2010 23:28 Zergneedsfood wrote:The reason why it seems people are BM is because in other games, the commonality of gg is not that high. ICCup helped to establish this mantra/doctrine where you just say gg after you lost, so it's considered bad mannered if you lose. We're having people from C&C, WC3, and even RTSes like Counter-Strike and Halo. The merging of communities easily will make SC2 on of the more bad mannered. Sadly. I personnaly whisper to anyone I win against who do not say gg. I say "gg". Just to remind them that's how it's to be done.
I do this as well, but im not gona try to be high and mighty, i do it purely to try to piss them off =]
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I rage quitted last game and flamed blizzard while in game, because they moved spawn larvae on V (+removing the ability to click it on hatcheries in ctrl groups) ... I also posted my rage feelings on their feedback threads lol.
Anyway keep us updated Sl4ktarN. What I always loved to do vs people who won't leave, is to leave them with 1 building and then go afk myself. They would leave by themselves after 5-10 mins. Ofc you have a different story here TT
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+1 for a call draw button
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There are just so many players new to SC that don't ever GG.
But I don't think he was wrong for staying....Terran buildings are able to lift for reasons
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On April 24 2010 23:30 PoP-sicle wrote:
It hapenned to me in sc1 before in an tourney and the mods decided to give the win to the zerg... but imo if you cant kill is buildings its a draw
Absolutely horrible decision by mods, ridiculously bad and i cant think of any decent tournament that would do this.
This game is a draw.
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On April 24 2010 23:28 Sl4ktarN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2010 23:26 MrRey wrote:
Hmm europe has a lot of bm people...
Most people I win against simply never say "gg" (even the computer is more polite) or simple flame me because my race is imba (I'm random by the way).
More rare but it still happens: the victor flame you cause you're a noob, I mean wtf?!
And in your case, well... it's very common indeed for the terran to do that shit, even if you got AA to kill him, he will fly away just to fuck with you... It's pretty sad to lose X minuts hunting down flying buildings just because of some kids that can't lose in their mind...
Edit: By the way you did not win that game. It's draw. I can accept that, but im sure as hell not leaving. Ive still got the game in windowed mode. What would happen if someone did this in a tournament btw?
i would assume a tie.
pretty sure.
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"I can sit here for hours, you know!"
"And I can go to sleep, enjoy."
Then go take a walk, eat something, nap for 30 minutes. Lots of glorious options to choose from.
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ALOT of people from other online games will most likely play SC2, and yeah, 99% of them are BM..
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On April 24 2010 23:33 Zhek wrote:
"I can sit here for hours, you know!"
"And I can go to sleep, enjoy."
Then go take a walk, eat something, nap for 30 minutes. Lots of glorious options to choose from.
Or, you know, leave since you will lose at most 20 points of which you can make up in the 9 hours you have to sit around doing nothing to gain at most 20...
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i think it's pretty cool to have bm people
It's no big deal to be angry something.
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Russian Federation85 Posts
I wonder why people believe that this is a social club of friendly behavior.
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On April 24 2010 23:18 grobo wrote:
SC2 is "the shit" right now, it's going to be filled to the brim with angsty teenagers for the first couple of months/years.
What do you mean, Idra played BW since release I don't think SC2 will be any different.
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If someone would do this against me i would just leave the game. I wont waste my time just for a few points in the ladder, just get into the next and dont loose everything that can kill flying rax o.O! I wounder though what would happen if they get this situation in a tournement.
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umm you seriously care that much about a few points in beta?
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I think there are WAY too many people calling out imbalances online. Both on TL and in my actual games.
It doesn't matter WHAT race I play, if I win with it, it's imba. I've heard Terran imba, mutalisk imba, force field imba, probe imba, drone imba, SCV imba, flying buildings imba, extractor imba, nexus imba, psionic storm imba, ghost imba, marauder imba, the list goes on forever.
ICCUP had its fair share of those too, but I feel like it's far more common in the SCII beta. People just don't want to gg any more, they have to try to complain about something because they don't want to take responsibility for the loss.
Edit: Here's an example of an imba complaint: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121360
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It happens. I do run into lots of bm though.
Like saying GG and they say something like "nice try noob". I've had quite a few "u suck or something along those lines" pm's too.
The worst I've gotten is "!@#$ you Koreans go back to your country" because I was using a friend's account who's identifier looked very Korean (I'm not even Korean lol).
But all in all, I just ignore them  . They just raging cuz they lost.
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I've played very few games so far and I have noticed a lot of BM players already. It generally seems to be the lower skill bracket I find.
For example:
I beat a terran with void rays who went for a drop in my base at the same time. I killed his CC and most his base and managed to save my nexus. Instead of GG'ing, the guy lifted all his buildings up and started floating them arround and built depots all over the map. As he also lifted his 2nd CC, so he wasn't revealed. That took a while to finish...
I've had people try and cheese me with cannons then when it failed, built pylons everywhere so I had to spend ages killing him.
I've even had someone me and calling me lame for whiping out a base full of probes and kiting and killing 8/9 zealots with 3 reapers. My partner had 2 stalkers before I even left my base, the guy had just gone 2gate with no cyber core, so it really was his fault.
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i find it funny when people say, "ya i BM up until this line, but i don't cross this specific line that i made up and maybe no one else knows about."
if you "BM," you can't get mad that others do too, no matter how much or how little.
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Oh come one guys, if want to talk about BM, try go to DOTA community. From there you will know what is really BM. I myself been through there, almost every single bloody game, poeple will just spam rudeness across the chat, both same team as well as opp. Reason been? very simple, because when something they don't like to happen happened, they always have someone to blame on it, and that person will never be themself. I am just so sick and tired of those.
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people in platinum divisions don't seem to be as bm, probably because they're more experienced and most likely older than 12 as well.
anyways, this is not bm, you didn't win here, it looks like a tie
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This is like the most conceited thread I've ever read. You do realize that since neither of you can kill each other, you are "BMing" too according to your definition right?
wtf.
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XD @ people crying about BM. Just play the fucking game.
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It appears good sportsmanship is lost on a large majority of todays gamers :-(
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I've had numerous games where people bm'd me, and i think its safe to say ive seen most of the forms of bm: the no gg, the offensive comments before leaving, the not leaving despite the fact that they lost, etc. etc.
But i guess thats because i was in bronze league =_=
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Well yes and no. Have you played BW on battle.net? It's the same. Now add 40k WoW kids.
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I've found it to be better than SC1.
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While i do agree with you in principle that people are more BM then they should be in a beta, I'm going to disagree with you on this instance.
Sure he may have taunted you a bit with the PM, but overall you weren't in any better position to finish him off then he was to you. You didn't win, but neither did he, so its a tie. To post about his BM not leaving though puts you in the worse spot.
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This makes me think that blizzard should add a "draw" option that both players have to agree to. For the rare occurences like these where there actually is a draw in sc2. Of course that still means the other player would have to agree and not sit there until you leave.
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u say he is bm but as already discussed it is a draw so u are as much bm as him.
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On April 24 2010 23:30 MrRey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2010 23:28 Zergneedsfood wrote:The reason why it seems people are BM is because in other games, the commonality of gg is not that high. ICCup helped to establish this mantra/doctrine where you just say gg after you lost, so it's considered bad mannered if you lose. We're having people from C&C, WC3, and even RTSes like Counter-Strike and Halo. The merging of communities easily will make SC2 on of the more bad mannered. Sadly. I'm a WC3 player. It's a custom to say "gg" in this game too. Maybe less important than it is in BW though. I personnaly whisper to anyone I win against who do not say gg. I say "gg". Just to remind them that's how it's to be done.
Oh. Yeah. I'm sure that happens. Sorry if I'm generalizing or coming off as elitist. But if you look to communities like Halo and Counter-Strike, all I hear sometimes, which could possibly be a stereotype, is that they're SUPER bad mannered.
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Uhm no, people are not more BM. He didn't lose, you didn't lose. This is a draw
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I used to hate it when people left without saying gg, it felt very rude. Now I kinda like it, it usually means they're pissed off, that makes me smile. Also the reason I always gg.
When people cry imba I sometimes take the time to expain to them why they lost if it's an obvious mistake, especially since i play random and know how easy it is to lose with every race... often people are actually quite nice after the initial rage fades, and if they're not... again, it's funny to piss off assholes even more. But I'm always very nice and polite about it.
The one thing I hate incredibly much though is offensive ggs. People that expect you to leave the game when you're at a serious disadvantage - conceding is an option, not mandatory - as long as i consider I have a shot I find it very rude for people to expect me to concede - the game's purpose is to destroy all buildings, gg is just courtesy.
Also, OP is pretty bm for thinking he somehow deserves the win in a tie. To me the most mannered solution to ties would be for the higher ranked player to leave the game. That being said, I just leave when ties happen, points matter less than time.
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On April 25 2010 00:15 Kaniol wrote:
Uhm no, people are not more BM. He didn't lose, you didn't lose. This is a draw
Exactly. Especially since now blizzard clearly states @ loading screen: To win a multiplayer game, you need to DESTROY ALL OF YOUR OPPONENT'S STRUCTURES... or be the only one left in the game.
You have accomplished neither of these.
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I still didn't run into a lot of bm people, luckily. The worst I've got so far was this guy who DT rushed me and said gg as his DTs got to my base. I was confused since I'd obviously have trouble repelling it, until he said "gg, it's over, leave" shortly afterwards.
About the match, yeah, it's a draw. But would a draw button really work? I mean, assuming the button would ask your opponent to accept a draw, he can just refuse and be annoying..
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Terran wins, cause in a few days your zerglings and overlords will die of hunger thus leaving terran with 3 buildings to your 2. Until then it's a tie, and you are being as much BM as him. I don't get how you think you are being more mannered than he is when you are doing the same exact thing he is. You can't kill his king, he can't kill yours.. it's a stalemate move on.
It's beta no one cares about your record or rating (rating system is extremely broken). Play the game to learn (so you can be better at release) and find bugs to try and make SC2 as good or better than BW.
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On April 24 2010 23:14 Sl4ktarN wrote:The reason why im posting this is becouse Im currently in a game that looks like this: Im pretty tired so I didnt wanna bother myself with Micro so instead of taking his army head on I took a nydus worm into his base and hoped he would return to try and save it. He didnt, but Ive done this a lot of times. I take some of my drones off so I can build some buildings so I dont lose instantly. Then he lifts his raxxes. Now Ive got around 30 lings patrolling my 2 extractors and a douchebag who wont GG left. Ive been noticing that ppl are more Bad Mannered in SC2 than they were in BW. Myself I rage quite a lot but I always admit defeat and I dont call people anything racist or homophobic. Have you guys noticed this too?
You didn't win, it's a stalemate. If this happened in a tournament, then a draw would be called.
Here, it's not BM at all. You made a choice to base trade and it meant that you now cannot win. The other player is at no fault.
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On April 24 2010 23:18 grobo wrote:
SC2 is "the shit" right now, it's going to be filled to the brim with angsty teenagers for the first couple of months/years.
couldn't have said it better. so i quoted it.
somehow by floating your buildings away a player such as this can rationalize not scouting.
EDIT: this is a stalemate. not your win.. but its still pretty BM. there should be a VOTE for TIE option. the tie would give you neither a win nor a loss. no points exchange. no record of ties. just a gentlemanly agreement off the record.
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On April 25 2010 00:22 Fumi wrote:
I still didn't run into a lot of bm people, luckily. The worst I've got so far was this guy who DT rushed me and said gg as his DTs got to my base. I was confused since I'd obviously have trouble repelling it, until he said "gg, it's over, leave" shortly afterwards.
About the match, yeah, it's a draw. But would a draw button really work? I mean, assuming the button would ask your opponent to accept a draw, he can just refuse and be annoying..
You could add something like... if there have been no more units made/lost in the next 5 minutes after draw was suggested, player who refused it loses.
Or more conditions to keep it fair. But it's doable.
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I actually think the ability to float around your buildings infinitely is kinda annoying and somewhat unfair, so if you basetrade as zerg or protoss, you are screwed because in those situations this would have been a sure loss for any race except for terran.
Not to mention floating to islands.
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LOL wow everyone's so steamed in this thread.
I can understand why people do those um... BM things. I used to do them heaps in SC1.
Just think of it as the noob's only way of fighting back! From my noobish perspective - I always got beat, so I'd litter the map with unfinished buildings, and what not, and just whale on people after they'd raped me.
It's just a part of the game. Some people have to compensate in this way for not being as good a player as you are. Just take it for what it really is (i.e a HUGE compliment!), and you'll be fine. =)
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Just wait until the game is out and has been around past the "honey moon" period. With the influx of non-SC players, you will experience some very colorful and creative BM.
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On April 24 2010 23:33 Ftrunkz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2010 23:30 PoP-sicle wrote:
It hapenned to me in sc1 before in an tourney and the mods decided to give the win to the zerg... but imo if you cant kill is buildings its a draw Absolutely horrible decision by mods, ridiculously bad and i cant think of any decent tournament that would do this. This game is a draw.
well it was a tourney on east so cant expect much :-)
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I think BW was really filtered out from all the noobs and people that didn't understand the game in the last couple of years so you didn't see as much BM. Now there will be lots of new kids, some who weren't even born when SC was released in 1998 playing this game and they will be very BM. It is just the nature, but hopefully players like this will quickly be discouraged from playing 1v1s when money maps and larger team games are released like 4v4 and ums maps and such...
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Half the people here didn't even look at the pictures. There is no BM. It's a draw. The only one being BM is the OP for coming here to post it...
Also this younger generation needs to chill. EVERYTHING is BM/Cheese to them.
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On April 25 2010 00:35 Slunk wrote:
I actually think the ability to float around your buildings infinitely is kinda annoying and somewhat unfair, so if you basetrade as zerg or protoss, you are screwed because in those situations this would have been a sure loss for any race except for terran.
Not to mention floating to islands.
Just thinking out loud here but maybe you could like not base trade with terrans if you find it impossible to win like that?
But to op: Like said a bunch of times already, you cant win either, you're being as BM as he is. Actually I would say more because you came and posted a thread about it.
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On April 25 2010 00:48 oxxo wrote:
Half the people here didn't even look at the pictures. There is no BM. It's a draw. The only one being BM is the OP for coming here to post it...
Also this younger generation needs to chill. EVERYTHING is BM/Cheese to them.
90% of the people here are posting the same thing you just did...
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OP I have a question, if you guys base traded like this how did he lose his army? Was there an actual confrontation? A replay would be appreciated.
EDIT: I guess there is no replay yet because the game is still going on according to the OP xD
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The concept of manner and such happened years after SC was released. I hope you realize this. The norms of the game developed over time.
SC has been around 12 years it isn't like people who have been playing it since the begining haven't come and gone but a lot of us have adopted these norms. But expect a huge influx of new people especially those of which who have never learned the norms of current players. Not to mention with new people younger people. I am scared to know how old the average age of the new sc2 player will be. However best thing we can do is set an example.
I mean really even Day9 used to disconnect when he was about to lose back in the day.
What drives me nuts is when all people say is bad manner everything! That one person who streams (that girl or really femmy sounding guy is the worst for it).. Pylon bad manner, Marauders bad manner ect. ARG $#%#+ Over use of the word bad manner is bad manner.
But I'm not sure why you are mad? You didn't have a diverse force to just go kill his flying buildings? I think there's only one person to be mad at in that case.
Can you not ally in sc2? I have not tried it would be better than just waiting people out anyways.
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I wouldn't call this BM. On the other hand, if this happened to me, I would concede as the terran after a short while (3-5 min) simply because I can't build any units and if I wanted to watch buildings float I would play the computer.
That being said, it all depends on the attitude of the person I'm playing. If they rush and destroy me, I'll let it go, if they're one of those people who, after they start the rush say "you should just leave now noob." I'll make them hunt for every building. 9/10 those players were using cheese strats, and insulting another player like that is BM, especially if you beat them using cheese.
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You didn't win though, its a tie, why would he leave.
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Zerg are lame. I had 3 zealots by the time the guy had like 15 zerglings
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you have retards from a dozen different games merged instead of just retards from sc, so of course the bm levels will be higher
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On April 25 2010 01:01 Khrono wrote:
Zerg are lame. I had 3 zealots by the time the guy had like 15 zerglings
With patch 9 I'm assuming?
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Bad Manners at low levels. Everyone I've met lately have been pretty good about manners in all aspects of the game. It's kind of unsettling.
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I hope this game is still going on!  just to teach you a lesson for being so proud as to think you deserve the win. Despite you having lings left, he managed to destroy your base but at the same time neither of you died. Simple stalemate.
Logically you should eventually just say "fuck it", quit the game and move on after like 10 minutes. It's just one game.
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On April 25 2010 00:50 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 00:35 Slunk wrote:
I actually think the ability to float around your buildings infinitely is kinda annoying and somewhat unfair, so if you basetrade as zerg or protoss, you are screwed because in those situations this would have been a sure loss for any race except for terran.
Not to mention floating to islands. Just thinking out loud here but maybe you could like not base trade with terrans if you find it impossible to win like that? But to op: Like said a bunch of times already, you cant win either, you're being as BM as he is. Actually I would say more because you came and posted a thread about it.
It's not impossible, I just dislike the fact, that there are situations where terran gets this sort of advantage.
A couple of weeks ago I played TvZ on Scrap station where I went for hellions and he rushed me with roaches so I killed all his drones and the queen and he killes all my SCVs and building except for the Oc, so I could fly to the island and rebuild with mules. I didn't feel like I really deserved the win because his army was stronger then mine.
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On April 25 2010 00:56 mennoknight wrote:
That being said, it all depends on the attitude of the person I'm playing. If they rush and destroy me, I'll let it go, if they're one of those people who, after they start the rush say "you should just leave now noob." I'll make them hunt for every building.
I didn't do that because I think it's a waste of my time... I mean, I'm not gonna win anyway if I don't hold that DT rush, the result will be the same, so there's no point in making him hunt my buildings. It is annoying, but I think the best solution is to just get him back next time and type a smiley face as you kill him.
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It was a draw, but it's still BM to refuse to compromise in this case. Since we're told it was the Terran that was first one to take that stance, then he's the BM dude.
...Although, zerg has no anti-air other than the queen, early on that is, if a base race happens before t2 (in which case the queen is killed off) and then the army's collide and the zerg wins. Its then pretty BM to fly off your buildings knowing theres little the zerg can do now, assuming theres no production capacity left for the zerg. The only thing preventing the win for the zerg is the Terran race perk of flying buildings, not any measure of skill or anything...
BM ruling: Terran
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its quite simple, the newer the game is = higher chance of being popular or known by the kids, EVERYONE picks up a new hyped game and unfortunately, this includes all the bad manner kids. (how many kids say oh im going to go buy broodwar, not many i'd imagine.) The older a game gets, the more mature its community will be.
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People playing BW were playing for the love of the game, it was more than the casual game you buy and play because its new.
But I agree that making a post about this with screenshots is also BM
XD
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another thing is that wc3 players are very ban mannered, everyone even amateurs, semi pros. so all the wc3 players will more than likely be bad mannered.
I for one have issues with that, there are times i will rage at my opponent. Specially in the US if you look at the community. The ladders are overrun with hackers, and wc3 never had another way to play like iccup for sc1. So these kids have a lot of rage. Same with wow players. I found the sc1 community to be much less bad mannered.
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omg you play in a window???
so bm with the artwork.
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On April 25 2010 01:19 heaven- wrote:
another thing is that wc3 players are very ban mannered, everyone even amateurs, semi pros. so all the wc3 players will more than likely be bad mannered.
I for one have issues with that, there are times i will rage at my opponent. Specially in the US if you look at the community. The ladders are overrun with hackers, and wc3 never had another way to play like iccup for sc1. So these kids have a lot of rage. Same with wow players. I found the sc1 community to be much less bad mannered.
I do agree with the war3 statement, I am a war3 player myself. And after playing war3 for years you seem to get this burning hatred for your opponent. Can only take being blademaster jacked or coil nova insta killed so many times before you snap. For example, I almost take it as a personal insult whenever someone tries to cheese me. I try to say gg or just not say anything at all in most of my games, but sometimes it slips out.
Oh yeah I forgot to address the hacking part, I think MOST of this has to do with how rampant hacking is on warcraft 3. Even if they aren't hacking most of the games you automatically just assume the player is hacking and thus are playing with an angry mindstate to begin with.
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I got in this same situation. Bnet gave us a 5-minute shutdown warning and we both lol'd... then I chewed up his base and started on his last buildings (he was revealed). He had some proxy gates way in a corner (?) and I ran my lings over. I was about 15 seconds from destroying his last buildings when Bnet gave us a 5-second warning, and the loser kept saying "nvmnvmnvm" when I told him to just gg already, since it was one of my placement matches.
I've encountered some BM people, although that was the worst. Most people gg.
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in 1v1 I haven't faced many BM people at all I mean I face no GG but I do that as well at times just because nerd rage at the time .
As for floating buildings never had to worry about it 1v1 had it happen to me in 2v2 a couple times.
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OP the same thing happened to me my third game of SC2. I killed his army/main (except for the buildings he floated) but he sniped my CCs with reapers and I didn't have enough money to go air. I just had all my units patrolling the perimeter so he couldn't possibly land. I eventually won after 2 hours when he tried to land, but the game should have just been able to be called a draw. There really needs to be a draw option - with the weaker buildings and more CC-sniping strategies, this sort of situation seems like it's a lot more common than in BW.
Thing is, neither of us were really BM about it. It was just like "oh... well, I guess that's that". There's really nothing mannered to do in that situation besides give yourself a loss.
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On April 24 2010 23:20 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2010 23:17 DiTH wrote:
Yeah no BM ppl for me in Europe.Maybe 1 in 50 games. Every time i win i pretty much get "go fuck yourself you fucking noob/geek/fagget"
God, I absolutely thrive on those moments!
It's an extra fuel injection. Beating people straight up (or why not cheese the hell out of em for that matter) and have them whining their brains out.. it's sweet, oh so sweet!
Don't respond, don't say a thing. Just smile. Pure awesomeness.
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I don't know about most people, but if I lose all my units and can't even land my buildings because the other persons army would kill them if I did..I consider that a loss. Right terran can lift off for a reason, to dodge the only units left in the game I never assumed was that reason. They tried to base trade and obviously the zerg is the one with units left(Even if they can't hit AIR. those RAX cant land to produce units without dying). That being said complaining about ban manners in a game online with thousands of people is rather silly, no one is held up to this stigma that you have to be cool and nice with each other cause its SC2(yeah I gg ect,). You are setting yourself up for failure if that type of thing bothers you. Also if someone is sad enough to have to sit for hours AFK just to win a one game then chances are they just aren't that good anyways or they'd have more priority.
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I don't know why people have this belief that not saying gg is bad mannered when laddering..
Since when do we owe complete strangers a duty of courtesy? If you didn't enjoy the game you played why call it a good game? There's no harm at all in not typing gg, I never think that my opponent who left the game without typing gg was a bad mannered arsehole.
Please elaborate!
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On April 25 2010 01:31 ddk wrote:
I don't know why people have this belief that not saying gg is bad mannered when laddering..
It is a rule in most tournaments that u have to gg to signal u surrender, that is probably why. In hinesight gg mean good game and if you dont really think it was a good game, you shouldnt really have to say it.
I do it sometimes but I really hate having to move my right hand from my mouse over to my keyboard every beginning and end of the game. I mean its almost a 90 degree left movement, its tedious.
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I reckon there should be a spirit rating
spirit being; spirit of sportsmanship;
just like how ratings occur on Ebay =]; easy win
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rofl are you retarded? why in hell should he leave? its a draw my friend O_O so everybody could say the same about you.
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... so the question is... the match still going? LOL
*EDIT* Reminds me *gasp* WoW back when there were 2v2 arenas and the last two remaining are both healers. You can't kill each other because not enough damage and both of their heals are too strong so they have a 8 hour stalemate until someone leaves.
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Worst I do is rage a bit about a particular unit to the person, not making comments about the person themselves, but still gg.
(Have taken to not gg'ing reaper rushes tho.)
As for OP yeah you didn't win that so why was he being bm? He killed all your base too? He in fact has three buildings to your two? You opted to lose the base so must suffer the consequences. Not saying he should have won and it is a stupid stalemate situation based on who quits first that you're gonna get 1/500 times.
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Poll: Actually, I've done that as a Terran before, in SC I/IIYes (22) 51% No (21) 49% 43 total votes Your vote: Actually, I've done that as a Terran before, in SC I/II (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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I've had pretty good experiences with people on sc2 generally, but there have been a few "couldn't think of anything gayer than that?" then leave types of people I've played with. Maybe I just use lame strategies and deserve it.
I need to work on my GG's myself though. Leave without thinking about it a lot .
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On April 24 2010 23:17 QuakerOats wrote:
If you don't have anything to kill the barracks, then... you didn't win. This isn't BM, he just doesn't want to lose points since you can't win. It sucks but that's what happens when you play a Terran.
That's right.
It doesn't matter if you have units, there's nothing bad mannered about what he's doing.
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On April 25 2010 01:31 ddk wrote:
I don't know why people have this belief that not saying gg is bad mannered when laddering..
Since when do we owe complete strangers a duty of courtesy? If you didn't enjoy the game you played why call it a good game? There's no harm at all in not typing gg, I never think that my opponent who left the game without typing gg was a bad mannered arsehole.
Please elaborate!
Common courtesy? You do it after sports events of nearly any kind, why not starcraft?
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Anyone who ever spent time in clan-x17 on USEast knows that SC2 can only aspire to the lows of BW
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I'm going to have to agree with the common courtesy statement. The only time I'd ever consider BM, in WC3 since i don't have SC2, would be if the other person were obviously cheating/hacking in some manner.
I remember watching a video before they patched destroying the townhall building giving sight that some guy convinced the other team he made his farms invisible. Frustrated the opposing team so much they just rage quit.
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On April 25 2010 02:00 Failsafe wrote:
Anyone who ever spent time in clan-x17 on USEast knows that SC2 can only aspire to the lows of BW
x-17 was a garbage channel, just like clan ggl or clan naoc was for wc3
30 ppl idle, eager for you to look at their profile, win%, etc. I'm not sure when you started or quit playing BW but it was exactly the same as sc2, if not worst due to chat channels... WC3/TFT beta was the same, at release it was the same. Its the same in europe lets not kid ourselves about so called manner disparities.
Dont see the fuss about being or not being BM. If anything assume moral victory, someone BM will end up pretty much "alone" and quit the game sooner than you expect. Multiplayer with no social interaction whatsoever will get bland, especially if you dont have the patience or self control to remain somewhat polite or at least silent when you lose.
However, if getting called a noob or whatever gets you steamed up, the moral victory is theirs.
At higher level of playing, these things tend to happen less. You run into familiar people, you are expected to behave somewhat better due to participation in events, players are focusing on the game rather than some e-rage outlet etc.
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If there are more BM people playing this game its simply because the game has not been around for very long and all the little kids are not frustrated with it yet. We all enjoyed the slightly older (questionably more mature) players of BW because the game was so old. Now that this game is fresh we will be seeing younger community members taking a break from Modern Warfare and Left For Dead and giving SC2 a try.
I don't say this assuming all younger players are annoying or BM but it certainly ups the odds, after all I remember how I was when SC first came out.
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Sc2 beta is pretty much open to all players out there, so you will get BM from time to time. ICCUP was sort of limited to competitive players, so you will expect a lot less BM from ICCUP.
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Not saying gg is fine, but doing things like lifting raxes to force a draw, or insulting other players is bm. Compared to iCCup, its clear that the number of bm players you'll encounter in SC2 is significantly higher. A lot of newbs who think they're the shit will talk trash when they lose, the mindset of these new players is different from true starcraft players. Instead of asking themselves why they lost and commending their opponent for being able to win, they blame their opponent when really all losses in starcraft are due to one's own self-errors.
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This is not bad manner. In order to win you must destroy all of his buildings. So maybe just make some air units and you'll be fine.
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Actually basically everyone I've run into on U.S has been pretty good mannered. Most don't gg but most didn't gg in BW anyway.
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On April 25 2010 02:41 BC.KoRn wrote:
This is not bad manner. In order to win you must destroy all of his buildings. So maybe just make some air units and you'll be fine.
cant do that buddy
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that's what happens if so many ppl from games like WC3, C&C etc. infiltrate a normally extremely well-mannered community. ^^'
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I've played several Terran players who scream about toss being imba when they lose, and then proceed to fly buildings out over the edges of the maps to make the game take as long as possible.
I'm not sure how accurate this is but I don't remember very many maps in SC having gaps or empty spaces over the edges for a Terran to camp his building over.
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On April 25 2010 01:59 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2010 23:17 QuakerOats wrote:
If you don't have anything to kill the barracks, then... you didn't win. This isn't BM, he just doesn't want to lose points since you can't win. It sucks but that's what happens when you play a Terran. That's right. It doesn't matter if you have units, there's nothing bad mannered about what he's doing.
Yea, sry OP, but if you can't kill all his buildings you didn't/can't win. The point of the game is not to kill off all your opponents units, it's who can kill off all of their opponent's buildings first. Even if you don't kill a single unit the entire game but you manage to kill all of his buildings, you win and vice versa.
If you had no hatchery and no more money for a hatchery, and he couldn't produce anything either, then it's a draw and the way it is now, a draw = endurance contest.
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Hmm I wonder what kind of reaction the crowd will give when flash does the same shit and jaedong is only left with lings
Does anyone know the rules in proleague regarding this "stalemate"?
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On April 25 2010 02:55 bendez wrote:Hmm I wonder what kind of reaction the crowd will give when flash does the same shit and jaedong is only left with lings Does anyone know the rules in proleague regarding this "stalemate"?
If no one can do anything, it's called a draw and they rematch on the same map.
It's the same deal when there's a malfunction or something and the game unexpectedly ends and no one has a clear advantage.
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IMO, Flash being the "Terran" would gg. He can't make units, lings would just rape his face when he lands. Jaedong would be bored out of his mind, and would put 1 ling in each hotkey and micro them for giggles while he waits for T to land.
If it happened in a real tournament game like OSL MSL, shit like this wouldn't happen. In case of a stalemate, either judges give the win to someone, or they ask each player if he wants to "draw" the game, and they do a rematch.
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On April 24 2010 23:18 Fortress wrote:I think it's mostly because SC and BW came before kids started playing online. They started out with games like WoW and CS 1.6 though. Now they're in your beta ! No but seriously, this kind of stuff just seems to grow larger and larger with every new major multiplayer game that comes out (Halo 3, MW2, L4D2 etc).
I played SC1 when I was 9 O.o
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Youre both sitting there waiting out the other person, both bm(if you want to call it that).
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I cant believe people still do this kind of stuff in beta ...
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You're in the same boat, you can't kill him so he's not BM. Instead, I agree that in your situation, terran should take the defeat. That's GM (or WM, how should I call it).
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Blizzard needs to have an option for both opponents to have a "draw" option, where both players leave without any loss/win added to the account, And so its not abused, have a 3 limit total attempts, just like with pause game. Or something....
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Welcome to public gaming. That is all I will say.
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I'm all for shit-talking in good spirits, but when the game is over its over, its not worth wasting 30 mins playing the waiting game, say GG and leave.
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You didn't win. I'm even surprised you came on here to make a thread "People more BM in SC2?" and present us with this ONE situation in a single game which isn't even close to a BM person running around the map making pylons everywhere. He actually has a legit way to force a draw unlike the pylon hiders who are doing it clearly not to force a draw but be annoying.
In addition, your plan to base trade with Terran as a zerg is terrible, as zerg is by far the worse race for base trades and you deserve to end up in the situation you did. You even admitted that you were lazy. That's what you get.
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Beta: Play for experience, not for your record =P
Seriously it's called "Beta TESTING" for a reason
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I don't think the people are more BM just that they think there old strategy should work so when it doesn't he is just frusturated I've lifted of my RAX in my first ever SC2 game as he came in with reapers and was decimating my base with 6 reapers I had A much superior army and was already moving out but critically I could hit air with my rines so I beat him and he was furious because I lifted my buildings but its part of the game and it helped me win I don't think it's BM
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On April 25 2010 03:12 Nal_rAwr wrote:
Beta: Play for experience, not for your record =P
Seriously it's called "Beta TESTING" for a reason
Useless post not contributing to the thread in any way...
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Each community has its own kind of bad mannerd people.
The folks building useless buildings on the whole map after understanding that they just lost the game are definitely coming from Warcraft3.
However, people calling you a cheesy stupid noob if you manage to beat them with a strat that they don’t like are mostly ex Starcraft 1 players.
I guess that a neo kind of retard taking the worst of the 2 communities will soon emerge (aka people who will lift and hide command centers while trashtalking you).
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I'm surprised he actually thought about base trading a Terran. If it was a zerg or toss I understand but this is bound to happen when you face a Terran.
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It's funny how so many people are getting started on the whole "BM people from other communities are joining SC2, that's why" when in fact the terran wasn't being bad mannered at all. It's obviously a draw.
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Worrying about things you can't control is a waste of time. I'd work on how to be more well-mannered myself and let the chips fall where they may.
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this game is pretty much a draw.
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On April 25 2010 03:07 Xursian wrote:
Blizzard needs to have an option for both opponents to have a "draw" option, where both players leave without any loss/win added to the account, And so its not abused, have a 3 limit total attempts, just like with pause game. Or something....
As many have said, a 'draw' button is in order, especially since there is a point rating system now.
There can simply be a "offer a draw" button (on the F10 menu, right above 'leave game' ). Once you press it, a message shows up in chat: "Somedude has offered a draw." Then you open up the menu, and hit "accept draw." If you don't accept within 30 seconds, the draw offer is removed. This way, offering a draw does not pull you out of the game (like a pause would), so it can't be abused (any more than chat spamming can be).
Further, the game can have some sort of automatic draw mechanic, where if no minerals have been harvested by either team for 180 seconds it's declared a draw (the system can warn of this in chat messages, similar to "... will be revealed" messages).
Even better, a game creator/tournament organizer can turn on/off player draws, and set conditions for an auto-draw.
However it should not do nothing to the points. In Chess ELO, a draw is a slight point drop for the higher-ranked player, and a slight point gain for the lower ranked. No reason why SC ratings shouldn't parallel this tried-and-true rating system. The above draw mechanic is actually similar to Chess, since in Chess the players can offer each other a draw, and there are also inactivity/stalemate conditions that automatically trigger a draw.
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Why don't you make a complaint so that an admin can void the game?
... Oh. yeah ;p
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I've actually had very pleasant experiences playing against upper platinum players. It is however normal for the lower level players to be less mature/serious about the game.
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lol, its because there is more noobs. WoW players especially, oh also the Gamestop/Amazon people who pre-ordered but have never played anything but Xbox and expect the community to be as BM as the XBOX live community.
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I get a moderate ammount of BM on the EU server. "Nice luck faggot" *leave* after a perfectly legitimate and non-lucky win, The anonymity of the internet reveals the actual douchebaggery of the human population. Assholes with absurd opinions abound, and only culture saves us from them. StarCraft is old enough to have developed a culture, and this new blood will hopefully learn to obey by it, or they wont make any friends in the community. Unfortunately, there is no further punishment, so if the assholes cover up their BM in real life, they might have friends there and not care. We just have to hope they never reach critical mass and make BM the norm.
Edited for typo
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On April 25 2010 02:35 AeroGear wrote:
x-17 was a garbage channel, just like clan ggl or clan naoc was for wc3.
I liked nohunters anyone else use to play in there?
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On April 25 2010 03:13 Wr3k wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 03:12 Nal_rAwr wrote:
Beta: Play for experience, not for your record =P
Seriously it's called "Beta TESTING" for a reason Useless post not contributing to the thread in any way...
In fact, it's a mature thinking.
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On April 24 2010 23:14 Sl4ktarN wrote:I take some of my drones off so I can build some buildings so I dont lose instantly.
lol you are doing exactly the same thing than him.
Your trolling failed hard. too obvious bullshit man.
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It's beta, you're not stuck with an account..
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I've played over 800 games total with random on mid level platinum ranks and I've never once had a "draw" type game. How do people play for this to happen?
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alot bm players vs me on europe
not writing bm (only 1 of 30 do this) is not bm for me but
this "lol u suck its imba patch haha u idiot get cancer and die plz" when i play a pvp (yes he cry about imba in mirror !!) its just funny ...
or when i watch whitera replays and guys call him faker motherf... and other shitt i just think WTF this is the most gm player in world and they flame even HIM ...
some kids will never grew accept this and accept that alot of people out there are rly rly stupid
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I've run across a fraction of the BM of sc1, although there seems to be a lot of random noobs on sc2.
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I don't think people realize that there are a lot of people playing on the beta that are new to the SC community or even RTS's in general. I've never played another game where you politely declare that it was a good game afterward, no matter the losing circumstance. Now if they're just straight pissed and telling you "Good job asshole that was lucky as shit" then of course that's BM. But if they just don't say GG, then don't immediately assume it's because they rage quit.
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I play US west coast servers and 99% of my games are with well-mannered people. The worst ragequit remark I've gotten was "Go back to gold, nerd." Which, considering I was still in bronze at the time, I took rather well. I've been enjoying the community quite a bit.
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On April 24 2010 23:20 spinesheath wrote:
Nothing BM about not leaving in a draw. You are doing the very same thing.
Agree. There is no point for them to leave.
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On April 25 2010 03:49 ZerglingSoup wrote:
I play US west coast servers and 99% of my games are with well-mannered people. The worst ragequit remark I've gotten was "Go back to gold, nerd." Which, considering I was still in bronze at the time, I took rather well. I've been enjoying the community quite a bit.
hahah. wow thats rare! half my US games end with a BM comment replacing a gg. like "fuck you" =(
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About a "Draw" button: it can only hurt competitive play. What will happen is people will be too worried about their Elo to risk losing to someone they're uncertain about. Thus, most players will prefer to draw with their opponents early on because they're chickens. As a result, overall skill development suffers. Players won't get to the endgame, won't strive to win, and won't improve. Competitive Starcraft loses.
Also, from Wikipedia's "Draw by agreement" article:
"Although many games logically end in a draw after a hard-fought battle between the players, there have been attempts throughout history to discourage or completely disallow draws. Chess is the only widely played sport where the contestants can agree to a draw at any time for any reason.
Because such quick draws are widely considered unsatisfactory both for spectators (who may only see half-an-hour of play with nothing very interesting happening) and sponsors (who suffer from decreased interest in the media), various measures have been adopted over the years to discourage players from agreeing to draws."
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On April 25 2010 03:01 Latham wrote:
IMO, Flash being the "Terran" would gg. He can't make units, lings would just rape his face when he lands. Jaedong would be bored out of his mind, and would put 1 ling in each hotkey and micro them for giggles while he waits for T to land.
If it happened in a real tournament game like OSL MSL, shit like this wouldn't happen. In case of a stalemate, either judges give the win to someone, or they ask each player if he wants to "draw" the game, and they do a rematch.
It would be a draw for sure.
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I would think the beta would be less bm since alot of the people in it have connections so tend to be older and more mature. When the actual game comes out, expect alot more bm and a rise in skill since all the young kids with lots of time and talent will be playing ^^
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who gives a shit about bm play the damn game. Its a competitive game, its not wow, you dont need to be friends with everyone on the game.
No GG is fine. Infact since people bitch so much about it i leave a ton of games now without saying gg. Who gives a shit. No one said GG way back when...its only a modern thing and its pretty lame.
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On April 25 2010 03:53 Sadist wrote:
No GG is fine. Infact since people bitch so much about it i leave a ton of games now without saying gg. Who gives a shit. No one said GG way back when...its only a modern thing and its pretty lame.
GG is about as old as RTS's are, or at least as old as Starcraft (I didn't play WC2 or Dune online so I can't really tell you about that).
I don't know of a single RTS with a ladder and a competitive community where people don't wish each other luck and say "GG."
No one can force you to say it and frankly I don't think it makes you a terrible person, but it's just not very polite.
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On April 24 2010 23:18 grobo wrote:
SC2 is "the shit" right now, it's going to be filled to the brim with angsty teenagers for the first couple of months/years.
qft..
i've had 3 out of 10 games (usually every ladder reset) that the kid says "fucking racial-expletive", then leaves.
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I played about 15 zvz's in ladder before last night's wipe. 6 times someone used that larvae exploit on me. I only lost to 2 of them who actually had a bit of game sense, but that's irrelevant.
I don't really mind when people don't say gg... I'm kinda tired of saying shit that I don't mean just to keep other people unoffended, actually. The formality of it reminds me of the korean BW scene's strict rules that most of us call unnecessary or no fun.
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I just finished a game against this guy who was pretty BM;
Instead of admitted defeat after trying to 1-base Voidray/Carrier me (lol) he starts building nexuses all over the map, which I nail with comsat. Even after I get him down to just an asimilator, he's still talking trash. So I decide to let him sweat a little.
I do all I can to keep myself entertained. I build supply depots around his last building, I expand to every spot on the map, I go and pick off destructable rocks, but the guy doesn't leave. Not only does he not leave, but he's still in the game and responding to my chat. Finally I get fed up with it and 6x nuke him. He remained BM till the end.
Replay available if you'd like.
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Every noob and his mom has the beta now that you can get it with pre-order. So of course there's going to be ton of BM going on. Last game I played a 2v2 with a guy who didn't know what a scan was.
But uber LOL at OP for thinking a not leaving a DRAW is BM.
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On April 24 2010 23:14 Sl4ktarN wrote:The reason why im posting this is becouse Im currently in a game that looks like this: Im pretty tired so I didnt wanna bother myself with Micro so instead of taking his army head on I took a nydus worm into his base and hoped he would return to try and save it. He didnt, but Ive done this a lot of times. I take some of my drones off so I can build some buildings so I dont lose instantly. Then he lifts his raxxes. Now Ive got around 30 lings patrolling my 2 extractors and a douchebag who wont GG left. Ive been noticing that ppl are more Bad Mannered in SC2 than they were in BW. Myself I rage quite a lot but I always admit defeat and I dont call people anything racist or homophobic. Have you guys noticed this too?
If anything I applaud him for getting some revenge on you for playing cheesey and gay. Play a real build and you wont have this problem.
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Played a guy last night, crushed him, but as any lame Terran would do, they lifted. He said to me in chat, "Brb, make mutas or something. I'm gonna afk and make myself a sandwich"
I made corruptors instead. Fuck that guy.
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Going to point out some things most in this thread seem to be missing entirely.
A standing army is > buildings.
The op has a standing army, even if his town was wiped out in the process. The Terran however has zero army. If this were a ZvZ, or ZvP then the player with the remaining standing army would of won without question as they cannot "float" their buildings away. The only reason the Terran player is even in the game is because he chose to exploit an ability of terran and use to to quite frankly be an asshole. Without that ability, the OP clearly won the match.
In a tournament this would be a draw yes, because they are on a timeframe. However I am sorry but the T player in this instance is clearly being the spoil sport as he is the one who has clearly lost. Once again, the Z player has an army that is more then capable of killing those buildings if they lacked the ability to float. The terran player has zero capability to do anything except act like a douchebag.
I do agree with the statement that this is beta and ladder points don't matter. I am merely pointing out the above simple truth of the matter. I really don't like the destroy all structures is an auto win mechanic myself. I have played far too many RTS over the years where both players attacked a home base at the same moment and wiped each others home base entirely out. Then the fight boiled down to a final clash between the two armies and who handled their units better. I sincerely believe that Terran buildings should be forced to land at a certain point.
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On April 25 2010 04:08 Mr.E wrote:
I don't really mind when people don't say gg... I'm kinda tired of saying shit that I don't mean just to keep other people unoffended, actually. .
QFT
"gg" has become a totally empty phrase. It no longer means "that was a good game; I enjoyed it." It means "I'm clicking surrender in 321..."
And for some reason people rage over someone not typing gg! Be happy: you won!
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That's not BM unless he starts talking shit. It's a completely valid thing to do; there's no reason he has to commit suicide just because you think you deserve the win. It's not about who is in a better situation. The goal of the game is to destroy the enemy's buildings; it's just an inherent advantage for Terrans that they can fly away.
Meh, I agree it is a waste of time but this is no more BM than you making a thread about it. You certainly wouldn't want people to make threads about you when you have a bad day and do something BM would you?
As for the actual thread question: No more and no less. It's just the nature of the internet.
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Over all I'd have to say the community isn't that bad so far. You also have to to understand in relation to the "GG" rule there are alot of people new to the RTS genre and I dont believe they are actually being rude they are just ignorant. Give it some time and Im sure all the people you think are BM will catch on. Maybe I'm jsut an optimist though. I know it's weird but I actually start the game with "GG HF" hopeing that we both have a good game and have fun. Luck has no place in a skill based game!
My scouting SCV is always called Frank. When Frank dies I'll usually put up a massive "NOOOOOOO NOT FRANK" gotten some pretty awesome replies from some people after explaining who Frank was . The loss of APM for the 2 seconds spent typing is well worth the replies I get
Edit: BTW that's a draw. Been in the exact same situation a few times, usually I'll just leave because losing 15-20 points that I can get back in the next match is better than sitting around for 3 hours waiting for the other guy to get bored.
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I've had beta since 2nd week and I don't think I've seen that many people say gg at the end of the game instead people tend to have to say something smart like "you must be korean" or "you got lucky".
Honestly I dont mind people leaving at the end of the game without typing gg but when they have to say something 'smart' its just annoying.... makes me feel as if there is too many children in the game.
*edit*
Also [I'm only going off the first page] I'm noticing bm ppl seem to exist more in the states..... damn gamestop....
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On April 25 2010 04:25 Dekoth wrote:
Going to point out some things most in this thread seem to be missing entirely.
A standing army is > buildings.
The op has a standing army, even if his town was wiped out in the process. The Terran however has zero army. If this were a ZvZ, or ZvP then the player with the remaining standing army would of won without question as they cannot "float" their buildings away. The only reason the Terran player is even in the game is because he chose to exploit an ability of terran and use to to quite frankly be an asshole. Without that ability, the OP clearly won the match.
In a tournament this would be a draw yes, because they are on a timeframe. However I am sorry but the T player in this instance is clearly being the spoil sport as he is the one who has clearly lost. Once again, the Z player has an army that is more then capable of killing those buildings if they lacked the ability to float. The terran player has zero capability to do anything except act like a douchebag.
I do agree with the statement that this is beta and ladder points don't matter. I am merely pointing out the above simple truth of the matter. I really don't like the destroy all structures is an auto win mechanic myself. I have played far too many RTS over the years where both players attacked a home base at the same moment and wiped each others home base entirely out. Then the fight boiled down to a final clash between the two armies and who handled their units better. I sincerely believe that Terran buildings should be forced to land at a certain point.
The game's win condition is not to kill all units, its to kill all buildings.
This is a strat game people, if you plan to all in attack and base trade a terran and have no aa then you are basicly shooting for a draw.
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Personally, I find most of the people to be more GM than usual and actually want to have fun and a few actually want to get better. When moving up placement matchups, I expect people to not be familiar and don't mind if they fail to gg because they just aren't used to the game itself much less etiquette. Plus leaving the game is more annoying; where the heck is alt-q-q?
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I've played about 100 games in total I think and I've only encountered what I'd call bad manners once.
There has been many times where players have just left the game without saying "gg" but that to me doesn't count as bad manners.
The only guy that I've encountered and would label as "BM" was on a friday night and he was clearly drunk, I started the game with my normal "Hi, gl hf" and he responded "fu" and throughout the game he was saying some scrambled insults. The joys of alcohol :D
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There's a lot of BM in the SC2 beta, but the originally posted game is clearly a draw.
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On April 25 2010 04:25 Dekoth wrote:
Going to point out some things most in this thread seem to be missing entirely.
A standing army is > buildings.
The op has a standing army, even if his town was wiped out in the process. The Terran however has zero army. If this were a ZvZ, or ZvP then the player with the remaining standing army would of won without question as they cannot "float" their buildings away. The only reason the Terran player is even in the game is because he chose to exploit an ability of terran and use to to quite frankly be an asshole. Without that ability, the OP clearly won the match.
In a tournament this would be a draw yes, because they are on a timeframe. However I am sorry but the T player in this instance is clearly being the spoil sport as he is the one who has clearly lost. Once again, the Z player has an army that is more then capable of killing those buildings if they lacked the ability to float. The terran player has zero capability to do anything except act like a douchebag.
I do agree with the statement that this is beta and ladder points don't matter. I am merely pointing out the above simple truth of the matter. I really don't like the destroy all structures is an auto win mechanic myself. I have played far too many RTS over the years where both players attacked a home base at the same moment and wiped each others home base entirely out. Then the fight boiled down to a final clash between the two armies and who handled their units better. I sincerely believe that Terran buildings should be forced to land at a certain point.
Unfortunately for you, you're completely wrong.
Buildings > standing army
The point of the game is to eliminate all of your opponent's buildings. Not units. I can argue that the Terran player is not being a spoil sport or douche, but rather he showed great use of strategy and Terran ability to float by disabling the Zerg's production facilities so that the Zerg can't kill all of his buildings.
In a tournament it would be a draw not because of a timeframe, but rather because it's clear that no one can win. In most cases, a draw is simply remedied by a rematch on the same map. In the Korean BW proleague, a draw can even be considered when both players still have units and an army, but neither player has the resources or ability to destroy the other; as such neither player is willing to attack the other. These situations have occurred before and it is very important to note that Starcraft revolves around buildings.
If you don't like the "destroy all structures" mechanic of Starcraft then this is the wrong game for you. Eliminating all of your opponents buildings has always been the key goal of Starcraft and it has led to many great and exciting games which revolve around an elimination race.
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I have yet to meet anybody lift off and stuff like that, fortunately. I've occasionally been called stuff like "noob" and so on, even a guy who said "I hope your daddy dies", but that's about it :D.
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Hmm... so far that i have played the beta i have not had this problem yet but i agree that its a draw. A cheesy draw but a draw none the less.
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Erm, don't zerg buildings lose life when not surrounded by creep? Isn't he destined to win as your buildings tick down in health?
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this is definitely a draw
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My expirience is that the more professional the player is the less BM i hear.
So if you're in copper,bronze,silver there might be a lot of BM there, maybe someone can confirm this since I'v only been in gold and plat.
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The game is a draw.
The victory condition: destroy all your opponents buildings. Neither player can do this, so it's a draw.
Some posters argue the greater importance of army over buildings or vice-versa. These are entirely subjective points of views. There exists no basis to submit rational conclusions.
If tournament organizers want to "house rule" the resolution of draws, then all competitors should be made aware of the rules before the start of the tournament. Otherwise, shame on the organizers.
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It sucks that there is no draw feature. I'm pretty sure that Blizzard is aware of this problem. There is alot of forums asking for a draw.
Just be the bigger man and let him win. A win isn't worth so much of your time. You'll do better playing games and practicing than for waiting for one win.
(I know your not going to listen to my advice so have fun in your stalemate war with him)
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On April 25 2010 03:51 carwashguy wrote:
About a "Draw" button: it can only hurt competitive play. What will happen is people will be too worried about their Elo to risk losing to someone they're uncertain about. Thus, most players will prefer to draw with their opponents early on because they're chickens. As a result, overall skill development suffers. Players won't get to the endgame, won't strive to win, and won't improve. Competitive Starcraft loses.
That's what someone said when I suggested it on b.net forums, but I still don't understand. Why would someone accept a draw in a non-draw situation unless they both really think they're at a disadvantage? What if:
- a player can only ask for a draw once every 10 minutes or so (to prevent spamming)
- in the event of a draw, both players lose 1 or 2 points in their ELO, punishing people who would use it just to be 'chicken'
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Hmm I'm in EU so not really.
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On April 25 2010 04:25 Dekoth wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Going to point out some things most in this thread seem to be missing entirely.
A standing army is > buildings.
The op has a standing army, even if his town was wiped out in the process. The Terran however has zero army. If this were a ZvZ, or ZvP then the player with the remaining standing army would of won without question as they cannot "float" their buildings away. The only reason the Terran player is even in the game is because he chose to exploit an ability of terran and use to to quite frankly be an asshole. Without that ability, the OP clearly won the match.
In a tournament this would be a draw yes, because they are on a timeframe. However I am sorry but the T player in this instance is clearly being the spoil sport as he is the one who has clearly lost. Once again, the Z player has an army that is more then capable of killing those buildings if they lacked the ability to float. The terran player has zero capability to do anything except act like a douchebag.
I do agree with the statement that this is beta and ladder points don't matter. I am merely pointing out the above simple truth of the matter. I really don't like the destroy all structures is an auto win mechanic myself. I have played far too many RTS over the years where both players attacked a home base at the same moment and wiped each others home base entirely out. Then the fight boiled down to a final clash between the two armies and who handled their units better. I sincerely believe that Terran buildings should be forced to land at a certain point.
lifting is not an exploit in any way. zerg made a stupid decision and ge didn't understand that zerglings does not attack air.
any true starcraft gamer understands that this situation is a draw and neither of the players isn't any more of a winner than the other.
The terran player has zero capability to do anything except act like a douchebag.
Zerg can't do anything else either.
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standing army > buildings.
With conditions like in the described game..
If a protoss has 100 pylons littering a map, and his opponent has one marine only.
The terran wins, and it's just a matter of time - only reason that didn't happen is the abuse of the terran flight mechanic. As it has been said, if it were a different match up then this wouldn't have occurred.
I have no stake in this, and don't really care. I'm just interested in how many people seem to be going the other way with it.
*edit - win condition for the game is destroying buildings, yes, so how long exactly would it take for a fleet of flying rax's to end the game? Pretty much exactly 'forever'. Thats why the guy was being BM, deliberate wastage'ing of time.
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Its a pub game...who cares :/ Just have fun with the game.
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On April 25 2010 05:31 Schamus wrote:
Erm, don't zerg buildings lose life when not surrounded by creep? Isn't he destined to win as your buildings tick down in health?
Extractors don't die without creep I don't think? Don't quote me I might be wrong
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They should definitely have an offer draw option. Having said that there will still be childish ppl who think they rightfully won or whatever and won't take it.
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Such a dumb OP, you didn't win if you literally CAN'T kill your opponent. Just as he can't kill you. A draw.
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On April 24 2010 23:28 Sl4ktarN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2010 23:26 MrRey wrote:
Hmm europe has a lot of bm people...
Most people I win against simply never say "gg" (even the computer is more polite) or simple flame me because my race is imba (I'm random by the way).
More rare but it still happens: the victor flame you cause you're a noob, I mean wtf?!
And in your case, well... it's very common indeed for the terran to do that shit, even if you got AA to kill him, he will fly away just to fuck with you... It's pretty sad to lose X minuts hunting down flying buildings just because of some kids that can't lose in their mind...
Edit: By the way you did not win that game. It's draw. I can accept that, but im sure as hell not leaving. Ive still got the game in windowed mode. What would happen if someone did this in a tournament btw?
It has happened in brood war tournaments. it's a draw. followed by a regame.
not giving up has never been considered bm. not at all.
if you would give up when the other player has no chance of winning, you would most likely be critised by the audience and be penalized by your team.
On April 25 2010 05:42 Ecology wrote:
standing army > buildings.
why are you making stupid statements like that even when there is screen shots in this thread to prove you wrong.
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On April 25 2010 04:21 jdr_ wrote:
If anything I applaud him for getting some revenge on you for playing cheesey and gay. Play a real build and you wont have this problem.
So using Nydus Worms and Zerglings is considered to be a cheesy and gay build now?
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It's a known fact EU players are much more well mannered overall than US players
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I'd say there's more BM in sc2 than sc1, but largely because the general public usually played on Battle.net, not ICCup. People on ICCup were generally more serious about RTS, whereas you've got joe random and his mother playing now.
Best BM so far was in 2v2 where a guy paused the game then left.
Im pretty tired so I didnt wanna bother myself with Micro so instead of taking his army head on I took a nydus worm into his base and hoped he would return to try and save it. He didnt, but Ive done this a lot of times. I take some of my drones off so I can build some buildings so I dont lose instantly. Then he lifts his raxxes. Now Ive got around 30 lings patrolling my 2 extractors and a douchebag who wont GG left.
That's also not BM, since neither one of you should win.
SC2 needs some kind of stalemate capability.
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Easily a draw. Blizz needs to implement a "vote on draw" button that isn't obtrusive so real bm players don't spam it all game long.
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The only bm I faced so far was one player hiding pylons until I killed him off 1 minute later, and a few people raging about imbalance and picking the imba race is a good talent toi have.
I think the top platinum ranks on EU are pretty mannered overall.
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amazing
"why won't this guy cede a game to me that I lost"
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the thing I not understand is ... why should HE leave ?
why arent U bm because U dont leave ?
On April 25 2010 05:59 spinesheath wrote:
I think the top platinum ranks on EU are pretty mannered overall.
as i said i get so often flamed with "get cancer" or "motherfucker" and even see people call white-ra ones that i cant agree here
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I don't mind BM if I'm winning. It means not only did I beat him in the match, I beat him psychologically as well. Any time you get a person to rage you gain an advantage, which you usually have even before the person BMs.
If I get BM when I'm losing ("you suck") that doesn't bother me either. These tend to be the same people who BM when they lose as well. I'm too old at this point to care.
FWIW, I always say GLHF before the match and GG after. I see no constructive use for BM in game, personally.
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neither of you won...neither of you could win..its not BM
base trading with terran is usually a terrible idea because of the lift off mechanic
maybe youll think about this when you all-in nydus worm next time
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Hey there fellow tl-members,
i was the terran at this aforementioned game. To give you a small insight in my point of view:
He did a speedling, nydus, 1-base all-in. i stood in front of his base with my army, had expanded and instead of defending my base, i decided to go for the base trade. As soon as my army entered his base, mr. "you-are-bm" here typed me a "just gg". Normally i would have left instant and just got into the next game, but i needed a break anyway and decided to teach him a small lesson
10 minutes before i got my 24h disconnect he left and gave me the win.
I won't give any further statements to this "issue". It was a definite draw, it wasn't the nicest win in history, but it was a win and i am fine with it
GL HF to you all
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I used to be BM but then I saw IdrA and his BM. Now Im saint toward that guy.
glhf and gg at the end. Sometimes few questions and smiles..
:D
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On April 25 2010 06:47 ArdentZeal wrote:Hey there fellow tl-members, i was the terran at this aforementioned game. To give you a small insight in my point of view: He did a speedling, nydus, 1-base all-in. i stood in front of his base with my army, had expanded and instead of defending my base, i decided to go for the base trade. As soon as my army entered his base, mr. "you-are-bm" here typed me a "just gg". Normally i would have left instant and just got into the next game, but i needed a break anyway and decided to teach him a small lesson 10 minutes before i got my 24h disconnect he left and gave me the win. I won't give any further statements to this "issue". It was a definite draw, it wasn't the nicest win in history, but it was a win and i am fine with it GL HF to you all
i found this quite hilarious...
the boy who cried BM was indeed BM himself
im glad you taught this kid a lesson and got the win to boot!
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too bad this isn't BM. it's just a stalemate.
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On April 25 2010 07:07 hp.Methos wrote:
too bad this isn't BM. it's just a stalemate.
It is bm to offensively gg though. Not so bad if your opponent is only trying to delay the game, but in this case it was a clear draw. Typing "just gg" is kinda bm in this case.
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I've noticed tonnes of people say gg then do not leave... I had a guy who forge fe'd to a gold mineral patch on lost temple, I kill it and he says gg... only to find he had ran to the other gold expo and then said GG for real. -_-;
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On April 25 2010 07:11 k20a wrote:
I've noticed tonnes of people say gg then do not leave... I had a guy who forge fe'd to a gold mineral patch on lost temple, I kill it and he says gg... only to find he had ran to the other gold expo and then said GG for real. -_-;
tonnes is tons in english
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To the OP, that is not BM, you fought to a draw, this has happened in pro games too + Show Spoiler +Rock v Chalrenge epicness
That being said I have noticed more BM in SCII, or not necessarily straight up BM but just lack of proper etiquette. I think people who still played BW after all those years were pretty hardcore about it whereas the beta is also attracting more casual players who may just be less informed.
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in my last 50 or so games I haven't had anyone gg. all it is is me saying gl hf at the start and if I lose I say gg. nobody gg's anymore because it's beta. but once the people complaining about not being able to play and saying they should yes it before the release (the fuckin idiots on the b.net forums) and only people who buy the game are playing it will get better. and eventually the rich kids who buy it and play for only a few months will quit and it will be back to normal.
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I HATE when terran does this. Yes i didn't win, but ughh
I also hate it how its not possible to trade bases with terran and all in attack because he just lifts something off and you get eliminated before he does. And since protoss air is lacking, you probably don't have any air units to follow his buildings. And if you DO manage to fend his army off and you are left with a weak army and no nexus and not enough minerals to build one, terran is fine because he can just mine away at an island. And if he has no workers? then he just mules away...
Sorry for whining, just had to get this out of me real quick, the right thing to do is to make yourself believe everything's balanced so you find different creative ways to overcome it.
Banshees are still OP tho
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On April 25 2010 00:22 exeprime wrote:
I used to hate it when people left without saying gg, it felt very rude. Now I kinda like it, it usually means they're pissed off, that makes me smile. Also the reason I always gg.
I don't understand this assumption that so many people make. Maybe it's because for YOU to leave without GG'ing YOU would have to be pissed? Not everyone is like you. Not everyone GG's. I didn't for like 8 years until I started following the pro scene. Does it mean I was pissed...or did it mean I just didn't know it was expected to, or just didn't care? Maybe you should realize it's just a game and you shouldn't get mad because of a loss.
Also: deriving pleasure from the suffering of others is a really great quality to have. I hope you're proud of that.
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As far as GG'ing goes, in my opinion once an action becomes so expected it's rude not to do, it's not really a matter of etiquette anymore; it's forced and has no meaning. And so then it doesn't mean what it should when a really polite person GG's, even though he may have really thought so. It's not like "please" and "thank you." It's not like you're doing him a favor by playing him, so he really doesn't owe you anything. And if HE doesn't think it was a nice experience playing you, why should you care? Just don't play him again, or at least not until he might think otherwise. I really hope GG'ing becomes less standard, and certainly not expected in the future. That way you can give someone a quick complement when they played a good game, and they'll know it was a complement since it's not a common occurrence.
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I've had a lot of people bitch about my play, usually when I go four warpgate while taking my nat during my first push. Just had a guy on Scrap tell me I was a noob all-inner when I had my expo up before him and did a timing attack on his one-base colossi rush. When I asked him why it was so all in considering I had gotten my expo up before him and destroyed his pre-colossus army he said it was because I destroyed the rocks on the short path  . He then also wished me luck in plat with my "sloppy play", I guess it's so sloppy that's why I've consistently been in the top 15 of my plat divisions since the first day of beta
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On April 25 2010 07:34 LonelyMargarita wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 00:22 exeprime wrote:
I used to hate it when people left without saying gg, it felt very rude. Now I kinda like it, it usually means they're pissed off, that makes me smile. Also the reason I always gg. I don't understand this assumption that so many people make. Maybe it's because for YOU to leave without GG'ing YOU would have to be pissed? Not everyone is like you. Not everyone GG's. I didn't for like 8 years until I started following the pro scene. Does it mean I was pissed...or did it mean I just didn't know it was expected to, or just didn't care? Maybe you should realize it's just a game and you shouldn't get mad because of a loss. Also: deriving pleasure from the suffering of others is a really great quality to have. I hope you're proud of that. ... As far as GG'ing goes, in my opinion once an action becomes so expected it's rude not to do, it's not really a matter of etiquette anymore; it's forced and has no meaning. And so then it doesn't mean what it should when a really polite person GG's, even though he may have really thought so. It's not like "please" and "thank you." It's not like you're doing him a favor by playing him, so he really doesn't owe you anything. And if HE doesn't think it was a nice experience playing you, why should you care? Just don't play him again, or at least not until he might think otherwise. I really hope GG'ing becomes less standard, and certainly not expected in the future. That way you can give someone a quick complement when they played a good game, and they'll know it was a complement since it's not a common occurrence.
I think you are being a bit over-dramatic about GG. You make it sound like it should come from the heart just the same as saying "I love you" to your significant other. Saying GG is simply a way to be respectful and keep a clean, positive attitude in the game. Compare that to FPS communities, whether it be COD, CS, or even Halo, and you'll be happy things are the way they are. The FPS communities do not have nearly the same sense of dignity, and it shows. They're disgusting. The importance of saying GG doesn't come from genuinely feeling as though the game was very good and thus deserves merit. It is more so maintaining high standards so that the Starcraft scene continues to be a good place.
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On April 25 2010 04:00 Wintermute wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 03:53 Sadist wrote:
No GG is fine. Infact since people bitch so much about it i leave a ton of games now without saying gg. Who gives a shit. No one said GG way back when...its only a modern thing and its pretty lame. GG is about as old as RTS's are, or at least as old as Starcraft (I didn't play WC2 or Dune online so I can't really tell you about that). I don't know of a single RTS with a ladder and a competitive community where people don't wish each other luck and say "GG." No one can force you to say it and frankly I don't think it makes you a terrible person, but it's just not very polite.
not true at all. Not many people said GG especially in random games until several years ago. No one would say GG on gamei ever.
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when i first started to play on iccup, i never knew saying "gg" was being well mannered. i would play on battlenet and would never gg, sometimes i would compliment them or i would just straight out leave, until a friend told me hey! that's bm! you should say gg when you lose a game. but really i don't care if people don't say gg or not, they're probably just new that don't know about saying "gg" at the end of a game, or they're probably just mad LOL. but when people start badmouthing me i just laugh at them and try to make them even more mad than were before haha.
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I'm definately going on the boat with the "you didn't win, because you can't kill him either" So I think he was kind of joking, or trying to convince you to quit by saying "haha! I can sit here all day!"
Honestly I don't really see that as rude, I find it joking or humourus.
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Just make some muta and kill the rest of his buildings off.
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I'm not going to argue who won the game because I certainly don't give a fuck, BUT this is the prime example of why blizzard should introduce a new button in the F10 menu, something like "Suggest Draw" or whatever, this way neither needs to feel like they lost and no ones e-peen pride gets hurt.
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On April 25 2010 06:47 ArdentZeal wrote:Hey there fellow tl-members, i was the terran at this aforementioned game. To give you a small insight in my point of view: He did a speedling, nydus, 1-base all-in. i stood in front of his base with my army, had expanded and instead of defending my base, i decided to go for the base trade. As soon as my army entered his base, mr. "you-are-bm" here typed me a "just gg". Normally i would have left instant and just got into the next game, but i needed a break anyway and decided to teach him a small lesson 10 minutes before i got my 24h disconnect he left and gave me the win. I won't give any further statements to this "issue". It was a definite draw, it wasn't the nicest win in history, but it was a win and i am fine with it GL HF to you all
This alone makes me wish Blizzard would implement a 10 minute flight timer for all Terran buildings. That is, Terran buildings can only sustain flight for 10 minutes (total. The timer doesn't reset if you land). In an actual game, this won't come into play very much. But with BS like, it should be done. Maybe 30 minutes, tops.
Oh, and if you run out of fuel in a place where building's can't land, the building is destroyed.
And no, it wasn't a draw. He had units; you didn't. A Protoss player in your circumstance would have been dead. There's no reason why a Terran should be exempt from losing just because they picked Terran.
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the races are different for a reason, OP should know the advantages and disadvantages of Terran
in this case, terran buildings have the ability to lift off
OP should have accounted for that when he was trading bases
the "terran should lose cause if he was protoss he would've lost" argument makes no sense because of that fact that HE WASN'T PLAYING AS PROTOSS
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On April 25 2010 12:52 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 06:47 ArdentZeal wrote:Hey there fellow tl-members, i was the terran at this aforementioned game. To give you a small insight in my point of view: He did a speedling, nydus, 1-base all-in. i stood in front of his base with my army, had expanded and instead of defending my base, i decided to go for the base trade. As soon as my army entered his base, mr. "you-are-bm" here typed me a "just gg". Normally i would have left instant and just got into the next game, but i needed a break anyway and decided to teach him a small lesson 10 minutes before i got my 24h disconnect he left and gave me the win. I won't give any further statements to this "issue". It was a definite draw, it wasn't the nicest win in history, but it was a win and i am fine with it GL HF to you all This alone makes me wish Blizzard would implement a 10 minute flight timer for all Terran buildings. That is, Terran buildings can only sustain flight for 10 minutes (total. The timer doesn't reset if you land). In an actual game, this won't come into play very much. But with BS like, it should be done. Maybe 30 minutes, tops. Oh, and if you run out of fuel in a place where building's can't land, the building is destroyed. And no, it wasn't a draw. He had units; you didn't. A Protoss player in your circumstance would have been dead. There's no reason why a Terran should be exempt from losing just because they picked Terran.
Why not just make it to where they lose command center it is over like in this case.
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On April 25 2010 02:51 kickinhead wrote:
that's what happens if so many ppl from games like WC3, C&C etc. infiltrate a normally extremely well-mannered community. ^^'
sc is just as bm as any other game.
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Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
Wow, just noticed this. What a dumb, useless thread.
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