I don't know about most people, but if I lose all my units and can't even land my buildings because the other persons army would kill them if I did..I consider that a loss. Right terran can lift off for a reason, to dodge the only units left in the game I never assumed was that reason. They tried to base trade and obviously the zerg is the one with units left(Even if they can't hit AIR. those RAX cant land to produce units without dying). That being said complaining about ban manners in a game online with thousands of people is rather silly, no one is held up to this stigma that you have to be cool and nice with each other cause its SC2(yeah I gg ect,). You are setting yourself up for failure if that type of thing bothers you. Also if someone is sad enough to have to sit for hours AFK just to win a one game then chances are they just aren't that good anyways or they'd have more priority.

ddk

United Kingdom38 Posts

April 24 2010 16:31 GMT

#102

I don't know why people have this belief that not saying gg is bad mannered when laddering..

Since when do we owe complete strangers a duty of courtesy? If you didn't enjoy the game you played why call it a good game? There's no harm at all in not typing gg, I never think that my opponent who left the game without typing gg was a bad mannered arsehole.

Please elaborate!

Triik

Canada51 Posts

April 24 2010 16:35 GMT

#103

On April 25 2010 01:31 ddk wrote:
I don't know why people have this belief that not saying gg is bad mannered when laddering..

It is a rule in most tournaments that u have to gg to signal u surrender, that is probably why. In hinesight gg mean good game and if you dont really think it was a good game, you shouldnt really have to say it.

I do it sometimes but I really hate having to move my right hand from my mouse over to my keyboard every beginning and end of the game. I mean its almost a 90 degree left movement, its tedious.

PikaFoO

Australia38 Posts

April 24 2010 16:37 GMT

#104

I reckon there should be a spirit rating
spirit being; spirit of sportsmanship;
just like how ratings occur on Ebay =]; easy win

AmstAff

Germany949 Posts

April 24 2010 16:38 GMT

#105

rofl are you retarded? why in hell should he leave? its a draw my friend O_O so everybody could say the same about you.

Silentness

United States2821 Posts

April 24 2010 16:38 GMT

#106

... so the question is... the match still going? LOL

*EDIT* Reminds me *gasp* WoW back when there were 2v2 arenas and the last two remaining are both healers. You can't kill each other because not enough damage and both of their heals are too strong so they have a 8 hour stalemate until someone leaves.

Tone_

United Kingdom554 Posts

April 24 2010 16:39 GMT

#107

Worst I do is rage a bit about a particular unit to the person, not making comments about the person themselves, but still gg.

(Have taken to not gg'ing reaper rushes tho.)

As for OP yeah you didn't win that so why was he being bm? He killed all your base too? He in fact has three buildings to your two? You opted to lose the base so must suffer the consequences. Not saying he should have won and it is a stupid stalemate situation based on who quits first that you're gonna get 1/500 times.

domane

Canada1606 Posts

April 24 2010 16:45 GMT

#108

Poll: Actually, I've done that as a Terran before, in SC I/II

Yes (22)

51%

No (21)

49%

43 total votes

Your vote: Actually, I've done that as a Terran before, in SC I/II

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

Befree

695 Posts

April 24 2010 16:58 GMT

#109

I've had pretty good experiences with people on sc2 generally, but there have been a few "couldn't think of anything gayer than that?" then leave types of people I've played with. Maybe I just use lame strategies and deserve it.

I need to work on my GG's myself though. Leave without thinking about it a lot

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

April 24 2010 16:59 GMT

#110

On April 24 2010 23:17 QuakerOats wrote:
If you don't have anything to kill the barracks, then... you didn't win. This isn't BM, he just doesn't want to lose points since you can't win. It sucks but that's what happens when you play a Terran.

That's right.

It doesn't matter if you have units, there's nothing bad mannered about what he's doing.

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

April 24 2010 17:00 GMT

#111

On April 25 2010 01:31 ddk wrote:
I don't know why people have this belief that not saying gg is bad mannered when laddering..

Since when do we owe complete strangers a duty of courtesy? If you didn't enjoy the game you played why call it a good game? There's no harm at all in not typing gg, I never think that my opponent who left the game without typing gg was a bad mannered arsehole.

Please elaborate!

Common courtesy? You do it after sports events of nearly any kind, why not starcraft?

Failsafe

United States1298 Posts

April 24 2010 17:00 GMT

#112

Anyone who ever spent time in clan-x17 on USEast knows that SC2 can only aspire to the lows of BW

rwrzr

United States1980 Posts

April 24 2010 17:17 GMT

#113

I'm going to have to agree with the common courtesy statement. The only time I'd ever consider BM, in WC3 since i don't have SC2, would be if the other person were obviously cheating/hacking in some manner.

I remember watching a video before they patched destroying the townhall building giving sight that some guy convinced the other team he made his farms invisible. Frustrated the opposing team so much they just rage quit.

AeroGear

Canada652 Posts

April 24 2010 17:35 GMT

#114

On April 25 2010 02:00 Failsafe wrote:
Anyone who ever spent time in clan-x17 on USEast knows that SC2 can only aspire to the lows of BW

x-17 was a garbage channel, just like clan ggl or clan naoc was for wc3
30 ppl idle, eager for you to look at their profile, win%, etc. I'm not sure when you started or quit playing BW but it was exactly the same as sc2, if not worst due to chat channels... WC3/TFT beta was the same, at release it was the same. Its the same in europe lets not kid ourselves about so called manner disparities.

Dont see the fuss about being or not being BM. If anything assume moral victory, someone BM will end up pretty much "alone" and quit the game sooner than you expect. Multiplayer with no social interaction whatsoever will get bland, especially if you dont have the patience or self control to remain somewhat polite or at least silent when you lose.

However, if getting called a noob or whatever gets you steamed up, the moral victory is theirs.

At higher level of playing, these things tend to happen less. You run into familiar people, you are expected to behave somewhat better due to participation in events, players are focusing on the game rather than some e-rage outlet etc.

Polygamy

Austria1114 Posts

April 24 2010 17:37 GMT

#115

If there are more BM people playing this game its simply because the game has not been around for very long and all the little kids are not frustrated with it yet. We all enjoyed the slightly older (questionably more mature) players of BW because the game was so old. Now that this game is fresh we will be seeing younger community members taking a break from Modern Warfare and Left For Dead and giving SC2 a try.
I don't say this assuming all younger players are annoying or BM but it certainly ups the odds, after all I remember how I was when SC first came out.

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

April 24 2010 17:39 GMT

#116

Sc2 beta is pretty much open to all players out there, so you will get BM from time to time. ICCUP was sort of limited to competitive players, so you will expect a lot less BM from ICCUP.

Xyik

Canada728 Posts

April 24 2010 17:40 GMT

#117

Not saying gg is fine, but doing things like lifting raxes to force a draw, or insulting other players is bm. Compared to iCCup, its clear that the number of bm players you'll encounter in SC2 is significantly higher. A lot of newbs who think they're the shit will talk trash when they lose, the mindset of these new players is different from true starcraft players. Instead of asking themselves why they lost and commending their opponent for being able to win, they blame their opponent when really all losses in starcraft are due to one's own self-errors.

BC.KoRn

Canada567 Posts

April 24 2010 17:41 GMT

#118

This is not bad manner. In order to win you must destroy all of his buildings. So maybe just make some air units and you'll be fine.

Arrian

United States889 Posts

April 24 2010 17:44 GMT

#119

Actually basically everyone I've run into on U.S has been pretty good mannered. Most don't gg but most didn't gg in BW anyway.

0mgVitaminE

United States1278 Posts

April 24 2010 17:47 GMT

#120

On April 25 2010 02:41 BC.KoRn wrote:
This is not bad manner. In order to win you must destroy all of his buildings. So maybe just make some air units and you'll be fine.

cant do that buddy