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QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
April 24 2010 20:24 GMT
#181
Looks like a draw to me.
. . . nevermore
LancerEvoMHN
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1 Post
April 24 2010 20:28 GMT
#182
Hmm... so far that i have played the beta i have not had this problem yet but i agree that its a draw. A cheesy draw but a draw none the less.
dNo_O
Profile Joined November 2008
United States233 Posts
April 24 2010 20:31 GMT
#183
no bm for me on us
It is a profitable thing, if one is wise, to seem foolish.
SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
April 24 2010 20:31 GMT
#184
Erm, don't zerg buildings lose life when not surrounded by creep? Isn't he destined to win as your buildings tick down in health?
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dNo_O
Profile Joined November 2008
United States233 Posts
April 24 2010 20:32 GMT
#185
this is definitely a draw
It is a profitable thing, if one is wise, to seem foolish.
DowMah
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden6 Posts
April 24 2010 20:32 GMT
#186
My expirience is that the more professional the player is the less BM i hear.

So if you're in copper,bronze,silver there might be a lot of BM there, maybe someone can confirm this since I'v only been in gold and plat.
TossFloss *
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada606 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 20:35:35
April 24 2010 20:34 GMT
#187
The game is a draw.

The victory condition: destroy all your opponents buildings. Neither player can do this, so it's a draw.

Some posters argue the greater importance of army over buildings or vice-versa. These are entirely subjective points of views. There exists no basis to submit rational conclusions.

If tournament organizers want to "house rule" the resolution of draws, then all competitors should be made aware of the rules before the start of the tournament. Otherwise, shame on the organizers.
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aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
April 24 2010 20:36 GMT
#188
It sucks that there is no draw feature. I'm pretty sure that Blizzard is aware of this problem. There is alot of forums asking for a draw.

Just be the bigger man and let him win. A win isn't worth so much of your time. You'll do better playing games and practicing than for waiting for one win.


(I know your not going to listen to my advice so have fun in your stalemate war with him)
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snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
April 24 2010 20:36 GMT
#189
Draw.

+ Show Spoiler +
ARE YOU CALLING KAWAIIRICE BM?
hoborg
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States430 Posts
April 24 2010 20:38 GMT
#190
On April 25 2010 03:51 carwashguy wrote:
About a "Draw" button: it can only hurt competitive play. What will happen is people will be too worried about their Elo to risk losing to someone they're uncertain about. Thus, most players will prefer to draw with their opponents early on because they're chickens. As a result, overall skill development suffers. Players won't get to the endgame, won't strive to win, and won't improve. Competitive Starcraft loses.


That's what someone said when I suggested it on b.net forums, but I still don't understand. Why would someone accept a draw in a non-draw situation unless they both really think they're at a disadvantage? What if:

- a player can only ask for a draw once every 10 minutes or so (to prevent spamming)
- in the event of a draw, both players lose 1 or 2 points in their ELO, punishing people who would use it just to be 'chicken'
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goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
April 24 2010 20:38 GMT
#191
Hmm I'm in EU so not really.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 20:43:14
April 24 2010 20:42 GMT
#192
On April 25 2010 04:25 Dekoth wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Going to point out some things most in this thread seem to be missing entirely.

A standing army is > buildings.

The op has a standing army, even if his town was wiped out in the process. The Terran however has zero army. If this were a ZvZ, or ZvP then the player with the remaining standing army would of won without question as they cannot "float" their buildings away. The only reason the Terran player is even in the game is because he chose to exploit an ability of terran and use to to quite frankly be an asshole. Without that ability, the OP clearly won the match.

In a tournament this would be a draw yes, because they are on a timeframe. However I am sorry but the T player in this instance is clearly being the spoil sport as he is the one who has clearly lost. Once again, the Z player has an army that is more then capable of killing those buildings if they lacked the ability to float. The terran player has zero capability to do anything except act like a douchebag.

I do agree with the statement that this is beta and ladder points don't matter. I am merely pointing out the above simple truth of the matter. I really don't like the destroy all structures is an auto win mechanic myself. I have played far too many RTS over the years where both players attacked a home base at the same moment and wiped each others home base entirely out. Then the fight boiled down to a final clash between the two armies and who handled their units better. I sincerely believe that Terran buildings should be forced to land at a certain point.


lifting is not an exploit in any way. zerg made a stupid decision and ge didn't understand that zerglings does not attack air.

any true starcraft gamer understands that this situation is a draw and neither of the players isn't any more of a winner than the other.

The terran player has zero capability to do anything except act like a douchebag.

Zerg can't do anything else either.
Ecology
Profile Joined April 2010
United States23 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 21:03:54
April 24 2010 20:42 GMT
#193
standing army > buildings.

With conditions like in the described game..

If a protoss has 100 pylons littering a map, and his opponent has one marine only.

The terran wins, and it's just a matter of time - only reason that didn't happen is the abuse of the terran flight mechanic. As it has been said, if it were a different match up then this wouldn't have occurred.

I have no stake in this, and don't really care. I'm just interested in how many people seem to be going the other way with it.

*edit - win condition for the game is destroying buildings, yes, so how long exactly would it take for a fleet of flying rax's to end the game? Pretty much exactly 'forever'. Thats why the guy was being BM, deliberate wastage'ing of time.
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RedMorning
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada117 Posts
April 24 2010 20:48 GMT
#194
Its a pub game...who cares :/ Just have fun with the game.
WarChimp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia943 Posts
April 24 2010 20:51 GMT
#195
On April 25 2010 05:31 Schamus wrote:
Erm, don't zerg buildings lose life when not surrounded by creep? Isn't he destined to win as your buildings tick down in health?


Extractors don't die without creep I don't think? Don't quote me I might be wrong
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
April 24 2010 20:51 GMT
#196
They should definitely have an offer draw option. Having said that there will still be childish ppl who think they rightfully won or whatever and won't take it.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 24 2010 20:51 GMT
#197
Such a dumb OP, you didn't win if you literally CAN'T kill your opponent. Just as he can't kill you. A draw.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-24 20:57:35
April 24 2010 20:53 GMT
#198
On April 24 2010 23:28 Sl4ktarN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2010 23:26 MrRey wrote:
Hmm europe has a lot of bm people...
Most people I win against simply never say "gg" (even the computer is more polite) or simple flame me because my race is imba (I'm random by the way).
More rare but it still happens: the victor flame you cause you're a noob, I mean wtf?!

And in your case, well... it's very common indeed for the terran to do that shit, even if you got AA to kill him, he will fly away just to fuck with you... It's pretty sad to lose X minuts hunting down flying buildings just because of some kids that can't lose in their mind...

Edit: By the way you did not win that game. It's draw.


I can accept that, but im sure as hell not leaving. Ive still got the game in windowed mode.

What would happen if someone did this in a tournament btw?

It has happened in brood war tournaments. it's a draw. followed by a regame.

not giving up has never been considered bm. not at all.
if you would give up when the other player has no chance of winning, you would most likely be critised by the audience and be penalized by your team.



On April 25 2010 05:42 Ecology wrote:
standing army > buildings.

why are you making stupid statements like that even when there is screen shots in this thread to prove you wrong.
Derby
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden31 Posts
April 24 2010 20:54 GMT
#199
On April 25 2010 04:21 jdr_ wrote:
If anything I applaud him for getting some revenge on you for playing cheesey and gay. Play a real build and you wont have this problem.

So using Nydus Worms and Zerglings is considered to be a cheesy and gay build now?
zomgzergrush
Profile Joined August 2008
United States923 Posts
April 24 2010 20:54 GMT
#200
It's a known fact EU players are much more well mannered overall than US players
Bronze skipping straight to Diamond in 40 games retail release. Bnet 2.0 ladder really takes it's sweet time to think about that league placement.
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