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Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
April 07 2010 01:18 GMT
#101
On March 28 2010 19:41 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
-they look ugly (


WAT?

They may have other problems but they are mega awesome looking.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
brocoli
Profile Joined February 2010
Brazil264 Posts
April 07 2010 01:18 GMT
#102
Since ultras are slow, try creeping the map. Also try healing them with Transfusion.
You don't actually need a mass of ultras, you just need a few ultras with good, cheap and durable queen support.
dNo_O
Profile Joined November 2008
United States233 Posts
April 07 2010 01:39 GMT
#103
does anyone actually have a replay from platinum of ultralisks not sucking and not being completely useless?
It is a profitable thing, if one is wise, to seem foolish.
onmach
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1241 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 01:40:53
April 07 2010 01:40 GMT
#104
People should stop trying to go mass ultra. It would be like going mass collosus or mass immortal. It just doesn't make sense, you don't have that much money, and your opponent would hard counter you.

Ten ultras is too many. You aren't even going to be able to get half of them into the fight and the remainders will crowd out whatever else you have. Try just 2 or 3, with a lot of support from other units, mainly zerglings but with hydra support. And pull them back when they are wounded, you wouldn't throw away an immortal or a tank, why would you throw away a wounded ultra?

I just beat another gold player 20 minutes ago with ultras. He roasted my entire hydra ling army of at least 100 supply while zealots took all the damage and then razed my nat then started going to town on my main. Then the ultras started popping in pairs and the remnants of his army just dropped like flies. He would focus the ultras, then some speedlings would pop and do tons of damage.

I want to see some platinum players at least try out ultras.
Deathfate
Profile Joined November 2008
Spain555 Posts
April 07 2010 01:47 GMT
#105
The problem with zerg is that every unit costs gas except lings and overlords, that being said, you end up with a lot of minerals and few gas, there is no possible way to use them vs protoss because you can only make ultraling,storms or colossi are going to rape your lings while immortals + FF are going to make your ultras useless, maybe vs terran it is ok but only if he goes MnMnM and not mech. Also reaching the lategame with unupgraded hydras or roaches is nearly imposible (maybe a baneling/ling combo) and ultras without upgrades are not that good...
Feel the power of the zerg swarm.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
April 07 2010 01:49 GMT
#106
On March 28 2010 19:48 Voyager wrote:
Starcraft 2 will never get you a job, it will never make the girl of your dreams love you, it will never bring you a refreshing beverage if you are thirsty, or make your kids stop crying in the middle of the night.

If you think the ultralisk looks cool, and are fun to play and run around with, build one....build a couple.

because at the end of the day, it's a game, and games are about having fun.


User was warned for this post.



I think you haven't been following BW LOL
KTY
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
April 07 2010 03:43 GMT
#107
On April 07 2010 10:47 Battle wrote:
The problem with zerg is that every unit costs gas except lings and overlords, that being said, you end up with a lot of minerals and few gas, there is no possible way to use them vs protoss because you can only make ultraling,storms or colossi are going to rape your lings while immortals + FF are going to make your ultras useless, maybe vs terran it is ok but only if he goes MnMnM and not mech. Also reaching the lategame with unupgraded hydras or roaches is nearly imposible (maybe a baneling/ling combo) and ultras without upgrades are not that good...


T have Marine/Hellion.
P have Zealot.

T/P units cost more gas on average than Z units. Especially T.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
April 07 2010 03:45 GMT
#108
Random question, do Ultras get a movement bonus on Creep?
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 07 2010 04:10 GMT
#109
On April 07 2010 12:45 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Random question, do Ultras get a movement bonus on Creep?

ALL zerg units except drones get a movement bonus on creep.
CowGoMoo
Profile Joined December 2006
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 04:15:05
April 07 2010 04:13 GMT
#110
On March 28 2010 19:48 Voyager wrote:
Starcraft 2 will never get you a job...

Thats actually not true =P

Ultras vs Zealots/Marines is actually pretty hilarious. Ultras win by such a huge margin.
SarcasticOne
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia213 Posts
April 07 2010 05:30 GMT
#111
On April 07 2010 13:10 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2010 12:45 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Random question, do Ultras get a movement bonus on Creep?

ALL zerg units except drones get a movement bonus on creep.

that ^
(didnt know the drone bit tho....)

also, creep is nondiscriminatory as to which side the zerg unit is on
there is no "mine" and "yours" creep
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
April 07 2010 06:11 GMT
#112
Im not sure about useful but blocking a ramp with an ultra while your hydra/ling destroys the expansion is pure unadulterated fun!

In ladder I've yet to find a consistent use for them. It isn't that they suck but it seems nearly impossible to safely tech to them without cutting your army up to small. As many have pointed out, broodlords costs for cost are just far superior specifically because they aren't trapped in chokes, you can fly them up a cliff to help keep them alive etc.

Imagine if the colossus couldnt walk over cliffs or its own army. That ability to maneuver is what makes them so viable and on top of that they are a (extremely with upgrade) ranged unit. Consider that an ultra is melee and is blocked by terrain, its own units, a random rock (they seem to get hung up on things constantly) and suddenly their awesomeness diminishes.

I love them and try to use them whenever I can get away with it but to be quite honest everytime I know I would be better served making a broodlord.
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kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
April 07 2010 06:12 GMT
#113
I think in the Lategame, especially VS Terran, Ultralisks are very useful - I rly don't know why they aren't being played that much. especially when you have lots of Upgraded Speedlings and lots of creep all around the Map, Ultras just plow through the Terran army.
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Sigge
Profile Joined November 2005
Sweden14 Posts
April 07 2010 09:08 GMT
#114
I would say that the major problem here is the amount of units with + damage to armored units, I mean, pretty much whatever you face is bound to have a bunch of anti-armored units making it way to easy to just single them out and take em down real quick.
Lets see who stands when the smoke cleares
KsBerzerk
Profile Joined July 2009
Japan105 Posts
April 07 2010 09:14 GMT
#115
they suck cuz zerglings suck in sc2 if zerglings were strong like they were in sc1 ultralisks would be overpowered in this game i see ultras as a defensive unit since they can burrow or offensive using the nydus
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 09:23:47
April 07 2010 09:23 GMT
#116
On March 28 2010 19:48 Voyager wrote:
Starcraft 2 will never get you a job, it will never make the girl of your dreams love you, it will never bring you a refreshing beverage if you are thirsty, or make your kids stop crying in the middle of the night.

If you think the ultralisk looks cool, and are fun to play and run around with, build one....build a couple.

because at the end of the day, it's a game, and games are about having fun.


User was warned for this post.


Starcraft 2 brought me a Sprite just yesterday. I'm sure Blizzard will have it patched to Green Tea by launch.
kidcrash
Profile Joined September 2009
United States623 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 10:08:27
April 07 2010 09:58 GMT
#117
Yeah lings just don't seem as effective late game and that really hurts when trying to go ultralisks. Does anyone notice adrenaline glands being hardly noticeable when upgraded? If someone has the DPS of a crackling vs a normal zergling, I'd be interested in seeing the comparison. Really think buffing the attack speed bonus from adrenaline glands would give zerglings a much needed late game boost. This would make utralisks a bit more appealing, as well as giving us another reason to tech to hive (not too many reasons right now).

That being said I think an hp regeneration upgrade (similar to roaches) at the ultralisk caveren would be sweet. Imagine the tanks those things would be with super regenerating life.
roemy
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany432 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-07 10:34:25
April 07 2010 10:15 GMT
#118
well... there a queen's transfusion..
i wouldn't mind a queen structure, tier 2 probably, to research off-creep movement speed and... i suppose starting energy.
... in order to turn it into a more offensive unit mid/late game

currently it has 1.5 speed and a 1.7 creep-multiplier
hydralisk has 2.25 speed and a 1.5 creepmod
roach, too has 2.25 speed but a 1.3 creepmod
rock is fine.. paper could need a buff, but scissors have to be nerfed
MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
April 07 2010 10:20 GMT
#119
queen isn't supposed to be an offensive unit. it's zergs macro mechanic.
the idea in the other thread is better. switching transfusion to the infestor
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
April 07 2010 10:21 GMT
#120
I've yet to see a single high-level Replay where Ultralisks were indeed useful.

All I saw was one game where Dimaga used it against Morrow. However he dominated the whole game and had 3 more expos.
No wonder his fully upgraded Ultralisks where finally able to break through Morrows 0-0 Marines and Tanks...
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
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