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On December 12 2009 05:32 fanatacist wrote:
There aren't many smurfs that are obvious reseters.
.: QED most of the people were starting anew, if they were in fact B level players. Like others have said, most of your losses are probably from people who aren't far from your skill level.
Especially that D- protoss with with 250 apm and great shuttlecontrol.
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On December 12 2009 05:36 Catch]22 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 05:32 fanatacist wrote:
There aren't many smurfs that are obvious reseters.
.: QED most of the people were starting anew, if they were in fact B level players. Like others have said, most of your losses are probably from people who aren't far from your skill level. Especially that D- protoss with with 250 apm and great shuttlecontrol.
Post you match list ... then we will laugh.
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On December 12 2009 05:36 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 05:05 Catch]22 wrote: They are worse than the stallers, who after doing some form of successfull harass to bring you down to just one base or something still has to macro up to 200/200 3/3 and take every expand on the map before you finish the game. This I dont understand, I have 6 expansions and my opponent has 1 expansion max. Still not leaving game. I personally leave games if I am behind right away not stall.
Playing against really bad odds improves your gameplay because you are still microing and macroing (sometimes, I guess), trying to think of ways to slow you down and hold your superior numbers off. I think that improves overall play in itself, so sometimes it is worth doing, especially at lower levels. If you have 6 bases and he has 1, you should be able to end the game in one wave of units. Just do it.
I think it's different if you are facing say Terran and they have you completely contained and you can't do ANYTHING (no harass no hidden expo no anything), then it's time to go. Those people ARE assholes some of the time, but often they are just people who want to be extra safe and don't mind spending more time to practice their timings or their mass base control.
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On December 12 2009 05:36 Catch]22 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 05:32 fanatacist wrote:
There aren't many smurfs that are obvious reseters.
.: QED most of the people were starting anew, if they were in fact B level players. Like others have said, most of your losses are probably from people who aren't far from your skill level. Especially that D- protoss with with 250 apm and great shuttlecontrol.
Do you understand what most means? Do you understand what post your matchlist means?
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On December 12 2009 05:36 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 05:05 Catch]22 wrote: They are worse than the stallers, who after doing some form of successfull harass to bring you down to just one base or something still has to macro up to 200/200 3/3 and take every expand on the map before you finish the game. This I dont understand, I have 6 expansions and my opponent has 1 expansion max. Still not leaving game. I personally leave games if I am behind right away not stall.
Agreed. People who stay in games when it's clearly over are so annoying.
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On December 12 2009 05:39 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 05:36 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On December 12 2009 05:05 Catch]22 wrote: They are worse than the stallers, who after doing some form of successfull harass to bring you down to just one base or something still has to macro up to 200/200 3/3 and take every expand on the map before you finish the game. This I dont understand, I have 6 expansions and my opponent has 1 expansion max. Still not leaving game. I personally leave games if I am behind right away not stall. Playing against really bad odds improves your gameplay because you are still microing and macroing (sometimes, I guess), trying to think of ways to slow you down and hold your superior numbers off. I think that improves overall play in itself, so sometimes it is worth doing, especially at lower levels. If you have 6 bases and he has 1, you should be able to end the game in one wave of units. Just do it. I think it's different if you are facing say Terran and they have you completely contained and you can't do ANYTHING (no harass no hidden expo no anything), then it's time to go. Those people ARE assholes some of the time, but often they are just people who want to be extra safe and don't mind spending more time to practice their timings or their mass base control.
If what they want to do is just practice macroing from a few/bazillion hatcheries, while not doing ANYTHING ELSE, they might aswell do it in single player instead of wasting my time.
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so much complaining about smurfs lately. get over it
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On December 12 2009 05:40 sixghost wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 05:36 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On December 12 2009 05:05 Catch]22 wrote: They are worse than the stallers, who after doing some form of successfull harass to bring you down to just one base or something still has to macro up to 200/200 3/3 and take every expand on the map before you finish the game. This I dont understand, I have 6 expansions and my opponent has 1 expansion max. Still not leaving game. I personally leave games if I am behind right away not stall. Agreed. People who stay in games when it's clearly over are so annoying.
Agree. I dislike people who lose but lift off or hide pylons all over the place. I also don't like people who sit in the game when it's obvious that they lost. It's not like saying gg 5 minutes later after their base is razed will let them keep their 50 points.
But people aren't out to bash on you. You should be thrilled at having the opportunity to get totally trashed and actually learn from the experience, rather than getting cheap thrills from beating noobs. And if you aren't out of D by now, I doubt that most of the players you got beat by were B level.
On December 12 2009 05:32 Catch]22 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 05:26 Hot_Bid wrote:
complaining about smurfs is a way to say "i lost but it wasn't my fault"
face it, you lost to a lot of Ds Actually, I always take full responsibility when I lose, I know that I can beat pretty much anyone, except for Flash (since i play T, lol). The thing that actually gets me ticking is the fact that it's such a huge waste of time for the both of us, I'm not getting better by getting stomped, and the only thing he's getting out of it is that he gets to take out his aggressions over some "mean professor at college that didnt let me answer when I raised my hand" or some shit like that. At least when I play against the cheesers, I get to practice fending off cheese, so it's not a COMPLETE waste of time. Imagine taking up boxing, now I'm not saying that I had to go up against Tyson, but sparring against someone who spent a few years is only going to leave me with bruises on my face, and him with bruises on his fists.
"Actually, I always take full responsibility when I lose, I know that I can beat pretty much anyone, except for Flash (since i play T, lol). "
What is this LOL
You're probably really bad, please don't malign Flash's good name by associating it with yours. But, I'm glad you take responsibility for the important things in life.
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lol, your concept of "stallers" is backwards I think
if your opponent gains an edge, starts taking the map + getting 200/200 and you're the one who stays in the game (by turtling up off 2 base) you're the staller
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And I'm going to make one thing clear again to everyone who instantly jumps the "lol mb u just suck nub" or the "you cant handle losing, its just D players". I'm not calling anyone smurf who doesnt have something down the lines of a wierd 15 game win streak up from D-, incredible previous-season-stats, or who actually logged in to their real accounts just to laugh at me after the game.
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On December 12 2009 05:46 NEwAcC) wrote:
lol, your concept of "stallers" is backwards I think
if your opponent gains an edge, starts taking the map + getting 200/200 and you're the one who stays in the game (by turtling up off 2 base) you're the staller
Now you're just arguing semantics.
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It sounds to me like you don't like ladders. Actually, it sounds like you just don't like SC in general. Maybe you should play another game, pansy.
That's how ladders work.
Everything you're bitching about is just a part of the game.
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You should take advantage of the fact that you are playing against better players to improve your game. While it may not seem like you can learn much from getting roflstomped, you could actually take a lot out of the game. I always try to play higher level players when I can because usually they make less mistakes and therefore I can learn more from them.
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if you dont like starting at the bottom of a ladder, dont play on a ladder system. simple as that, dont bitch about it. also i agree that people who dont leave after they obviously cant come back are annoying to play against. and, what the fuck is the difference between "SMURFS" and regular players who are at a higher level than you? None to you i should expect, except that you dont know ahead of time their skill level, which shouldnt matter at all unless u decide to go easy against them, which is a bad idea because the only players you as a d+ player should be going easy on are d- players - and good players dont get d-
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It's not "just arguing semantics". You're the one being a dick, leave the game if you lost for christ's sake.
Is this you?
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/Catch]22.html
Everyone seems to be asking for matchlist, so I just went with what was simple.
It looks like almost everyone that beat you was bad, except thefenix who looks pretty good with 39-10 c+ and super_korean since he's a Korean, which is self-explanatory.
Also, coming up with a 15-0 record from d- isn't exactly progamer status lolol.
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On December 12 2009 05:55 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
if you dont like starting at the bottom of a ladder, dont play on a ladder system. simple as that, dont bitch about it. also i agree that people who dont leave after they obviously cant come back are annoying to play against. and, what the fuck is the difference between "SMURFS" and regular players who are at a higher level than you? None to you i should expect, except that you dont know ahead of time their skill level, which shouldnt matter at all unless u decide to go easy against them, which is a bad idea because the only players you as a d+ player should be going easy on are d- players - and good players dont get d-
*wooosh*
Did you even read about the tankers? Do you even know what a smurf is? A smurf isn't just someone who is a better player than you, its someone who is pretending to be a new player/worse than he really is, in order to get to stomp people.
But yeah, you guys are right, I should be able to view it as a learning oppourtunity, since they make fewer mistakes, I hadn't thought of it that way.
And no, I dont play on the account Catch]22 at the moment.
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God damn I was wondering how many more people calling you and idiot were needed until you caved.
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On December 12 2009 05:57 Catch]22 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 05:55 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
if you dont like starting at the bottom of a ladder, dont play on a ladder system. simple as that, dont bitch about it. also i agree that people who dont leave after they obviously cant come back are annoying to play against. and, what the fuck is the difference between "SMURFS" and regular players who are at a higher level than you? None to you i should expect, except that you dont know ahead of time their skill level, which shouldnt matter at all unless u decide to go easy against them, which is a bad idea because the only players you as a d+ player should be going easy on are d- players - and good players dont get d- *wooosh* Did you even read about the tankers? Do you even know what a smurf is? A smurf isn't just someone who is a better player than you, its someone who is pretending to be a new player/worse than he really is, in order to get to stomp people. But yeah, you guys are right, I should be able to view it as a learning oppourtunity, since they make fewer mistakes, I hadn't thought of it that way. And no, I dont play on the account Catch]22 at the moment.
Ya I'm sure a guy that's been to b+ on iccup has no idea what a smurf is.
When every reply tells you to shape up and stop being a moron, you're probably doing something wrong.
And yeah, the last game on the account was on december 8, I suppose you stopped using it for the past 3 days.
from urbandictionary:
smurfing
Gaming term: Entering your regular server under a different name so u can see whats going on without being recognized
Verb:
In forum usage, the act of a person using another login name to try to fool the forum populace that he/she is a different person. Usually occurs when the said person was recently blacklisted under a previous name, and is attempting to cover up or hide his/her new identity.
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On December 12 2009 05:57 Catch]22 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 05:55 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
if you dont like starting at the bottom of a ladder, dont play on a ladder system. simple as that, dont bitch about it. also i agree that people who dont leave after they obviously cant come back are annoying to play against. and, what the fuck is the difference between "SMURFS" and regular players who are at a higher level than you? None to you i should expect, except that you dont know ahead of time their skill level, which shouldnt matter at all unless u decide to go easy against them, which is a bad idea because the only players you as a d+ player should be going easy on are d- players - and good players dont get d- *wooosh* Did you even read about the tankers? Do you even know what a smurf is? A smurf isn't just someone who is a better player than you, its someone who is pretending to be a new player/worse than he really is, in order to get to stomp people. But yeah, you guys are right, I should be able to view it as a learning oppourtunity, since they make fewer mistakes, I hadn't thought of it that way. And no, I dont play on the account Catch]22 at the moment.
At the moment. So you did, earlier this season. So within the past few months. And you are 57-113. So hypothetically speaking there should be MORE higher ranked players playing you because it is from earlier in the season. Why would you object to it? Oh right, because it becomes painfully obvious that you are a 33% winrate D+ player who wouldn't be able to tell C from A level play.
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On December 12 2009 06:07 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2009 05:57 Catch]22 wrote:On December 12 2009 05:55 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
if you dont like starting at the bottom of a ladder, dont play on a ladder system. simple as that, dont bitch about it. also i agree that people who dont leave after they obviously cant come back are annoying to play against. and, what the fuck is the difference between "SMURFS" and regular players who are at a higher level than you? None to you i should expect, except that you dont know ahead of time their skill level, which shouldnt matter at all unless u decide to go easy against them, which is a bad idea because the only players you as a d+ player should be going easy on are d- players - and good players dont get d- *wooosh* Did you even read about the tankers? Do you even know what a smurf is? A smurf isn't just someone who is a better player than you, its someone who is pretending to be a new player/worse than he really is, in order to get to stomp people. But yeah, you guys are right, I should be able to view it as a learning oppourtunity, since they make fewer mistakes, I hadn't thought of it that way. And no, I dont play on the account Catch]22 at the moment. At the moment. So you did, earlier this season. So within the past few months. And you are 57-113. So hypothetically speaking there should be MORE higher ranked players playing you because it is from earlier in the season. Why would you object to it? Oh right, because it becomes painfully obvious that you are a 33% winrate D+ player who wouldn't be able to tell C from A level play.
check the match list, his last two games were played december 8th. Before that, december 4th.
I suppose he improved a lot since then though. If koll can do it, why not catch]22?
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