There is alot of talk about how iCCup is a hard environment for new players. What with all the cheese, BM, and the general frustration that comes with starting your starcraft 'career'. Now I'm no duckling, I'm soon going to hit my 1500th game, (a few of those are insta-rmks when people leave right away mind you, but at least 95% are real games). And this is since June this year.
And I have improved ALOT in the past months, but mostly because I was able to practice with my friends, together we touched on C- until school took its toll and we went back down to D+. Now school is pretty much over and I'm trying to get back in the groove. Now people have gotten better, I'll give them that, but what really grinds my gears, are the smurfs.
Now there has been alot of controversy regarding the anti-smurfing actions set in by blizzard. I'hve mostly had a neutral stance to this, I used to be very good at Company of Heroes, and it has a sort of anti-smurfing system, the downside is that if you try offraceing (or in CoHs case, offfactioning) you'll end up getting stomped a few times, since you meet opponents the same level as your main race.
But lately the smurfing has been rampant, out of the last 15 games I played, I faced 11 smurfs, and 2 "maybe's". And I really need to vent about this, especially bad was a recent game with a guy who was really B rank, but kept talking about reaching D+, as to really sell himself as a D player. This really burns my cannoli, and I'd like to say that its about newer players getting royally shat on when trying out starcraft on iCCup for the first times, but really it's about me being incredibly frustrated, I dont want to spend my time playing B level players, because frankly, I dont get much out of it, and I don't really see what a B player could get out of it.
UNLESS he's some sort of washed up B player, who recently hit B, or has been away for a short time, and is too scared to risk his precious rank, so instead he turns to screwing around with D players. I can even get a warmup game or two, but tricking people through in game chat (during my old stint at D- a few months back, I even met a C+ player who had deliberatley tanked a few games to get himself to 800 so he could play D- players.
These guys are the fucking scum of iccup, they are worse than the permacheesers, you know the guys who cant play regular games, so they cheese every game, and when the cheese fails, they leave because they dont know how to capitalize on an advantage. They are worse than the stallers, who after doing some form of successfull harass to bring you down to just one base or something still has to macro up to 200/200 3/3 and take every expand on the map before you finish the game.
These guys, are in one word, pathetic. And I wish them all a broken tooth, a twisted ankle, herpes, tinnitus or maybe some sort of urinary tract infection.
You get a lot from getting crushed, its not that its bullshit and a waste of time. If you can even hang on a minute longer against a B player, you can probably hold on 10 minutes longer against a C player. so... -_- It might be frustrating, but not useless.
Lol watch the replays and see the reasons why you lost, you will probably see a lot of mechanical errors that you make that they capitalize on, timing windows, etc. Use that to fix your play and thus improve your play. Push yourself to play people better than you so that you are under constant pressure to perform at your 100% best (maximizing speed and efficiency). Don't take the hardship as a reason to give up, take it as a reason to rise above. In other words, stop bleeding and start pushing yourself to play harder, refusing to make the same mistake twice. Perfect your timings, strategies, scouting. Work hard on your micro/macro. Isn't that what laddering is about? Since when is this supposed to be some sort of ride on the rainbow to the clouds of joy type of scenario. This is an international ladder, people play well, and taking breaks to smurf from upper-end gaming is a predictable practice. In a game where you can reset your rank whenever you want, when each loss does not carry over to the next game (unlike many other video games where you lose something and it does permanent damage), this shit is to be expected. ESPECIALLY on a competitive ladder. Go play some East if you want to play like you are prancing down a field sprinkling daisies on smiling wildlife.
Seriously, there is no reason why you cannot win every game you play. Every game, you start out with the potential to win it, and your mistakes are what makes you lose it. Better players simply know how to make less mistakes, and capitalize on your mistakes. But that does not mean they are unbeatable.
It's strange that people can complain so much about smurfs. Every time I make a new account (like for TSL) I meet 95% real D rank players. Except at the start of the season.
Wow that 25th hour vid got me in a real mood to say fuck you to people.
No, seriously, when I say confirmed smufs, I really mean confirmed smurfs, like checking previous season stats etc.
And like I said, I understand people just beginning, but the point was mostly the people who go out of their way to trick gullible fucks like me into thinking I'm playing someone I can stand a chance against. I'm having trouble macroing etc as it is against opponents my own level, I wont be getting that much better at it having... say Stork reaverharass me to oblivion (not that any of these have had stork level control, dont take stuff out of context.)
Real smurfes are easy to spot. I bet most of the guys you have played are just your standart C/C- reseter. They are annoying but you can beat them even if you are only D+.
On December 12 2009 05:26 Hot_Bid wrote: complaining about smurfs is a way to say "i lost but it wasn't my fault"
face it, you lost to a lot of Ds
Actually, I always take full responsibility when I lose, I know that I can beat pretty much anyone, except for Flash (since i play T, lol).
The thing that actually gets me ticking is the fact that it's such a huge waste of time for the both of us, I'm not getting better by getting stomped, and the only thing he's getting out of it is that he gets to take out his aggressions over some "mean professor at college that didnt let me answer when I raised my hand" or some shit like that.
At least when I play against the cheesers, I get to practice fending off cheese, so it's not a COMPLETE waste of time.
Imagine taking up boxing, now I'm not saying that I had to go up against Tyson, but sparring against someone who spent a few years is only going to leave me with bruises on my face, and him with bruises on his fists.
There aren't many smurfs that are obvious reseters.
.: QED most of the people were starting anew, if they were in fact B level players. Like others have said, most of your losses are probably from people who aren't far from your skill level.
On December 12 2009 05:26 Hot_Bid wrote: complaining about smurfs is a way to say "i lost but it wasn't my fault"
face it, you lost to a lot of Ds
Actually, I always take full responsibility when I lose, I know that I can beat pretty much anyone, except for Flash (since i play T, lol).
The thing that actually gets me ticking is the fact that it's such a huge waste of time for the both of us, I'm not getting better by getting stomped, and the only thing he's getting out of it is that he gets to take out his aggressions over some "mean professor at college that didnt let me answer when I raised my hand" or some shit like that.
At least when I play against the cheesers, I get to practice fending off cheese, so it's not a COMPLETE waste of time.
Imagine taking up boxing, now I'm not saying that I had to go up against Tyson, but sparring against someone who spent a few years is only going to leave me with bruises on my face, and him with bruises on his fists.
On December 12 2009 05:05 Catch]22 wrote: They are worse than the stallers, who after doing some form of successfull harass to bring you down to just one base or something still has to macro up to 200/200 3/3 and take every expand on the map before you finish the game.
This I dont understand, I have 6 expansions and my opponent has 1 expansion max. Still not leaving game. I personally leave games if I am behind right away not stall.
On December 12 2009 05:32 fanatacist wrote: There aren't many smurfs that are obvious reseters.
.: QED most of the people were starting anew, if they were in fact B level players. Like others have said, most of your losses are probably from people who aren't far from your skill level.
Especially that D- protoss with with 250 apm and great shuttlecontrol.
On December 12 2009 05:32 fanatacist wrote: There aren't many smurfs that are obvious reseters.
.: QED most of the people were starting anew, if they were in fact B level players. Like others have said, most of your losses are probably from people who aren't far from your skill level.
Especially that D- protoss with with 250 apm and great shuttlecontrol.
On December 12 2009 05:05 Catch]22 wrote: They are worse than the stallers, who after doing some form of successfull harass to bring you down to just one base or something still has to macro up to 200/200 3/3 and take every expand on the map before you finish the game.
This I dont understand, I have 6 expansions and my opponent has 1 expansion max. Still not leaving game. I personally leave games if I am behind right away not stall.
Playing against really bad odds improves your gameplay because you are still microing and macroing (sometimes, I guess), trying to think of ways to slow you down and hold your superior numbers off. I think that improves overall play in itself, so sometimes it is worth doing, especially at lower levels. If you have 6 bases and he has 1, you should be able to end the game in one wave of units. Just do it.
I think it's different if you are facing say Terran and they have you completely contained and you can't do ANYTHING (no harass no hidden expo no anything), then it's time to go. Those people ARE assholes some of the time, but often they are just people who want to be extra safe and don't mind spending more time to practice their timings or their mass base control.
On December 12 2009 05:32 fanatacist wrote: There aren't many smurfs that are obvious reseters.
.: QED most of the people were starting anew, if they were in fact B level players. Like others have said, most of your losses are probably from people who aren't far from your skill level.
Especially that D- protoss with with 250 apm and great shuttlecontrol.
Do you understand what most means? Do you understand what post your matchlist means?
On December 12 2009 05:05 Catch]22 wrote: They are worse than the stallers, who after doing some form of successfull harass to bring you down to just one base or something still has to macro up to 200/200 3/3 and take every expand on the map before you finish the game.
This I dont understand, I have 6 expansions and my opponent has 1 expansion max. Still not leaving game. I personally leave games if I am behind right away not stall.
Agreed. People who stay in games when it's clearly over are so annoying.
On December 12 2009 05:05 Catch]22 wrote: They are worse than the stallers, who after doing some form of successfull harass to bring you down to just one base or something still has to macro up to 200/200 3/3 and take every expand on the map before you finish the game.
This I dont understand, I have 6 expansions and my opponent has 1 expansion max. Still not leaving game. I personally leave games if I am behind right away not stall.
Playing against really bad odds improves your gameplay because you are still microing and macroing (sometimes, I guess), trying to think of ways to slow you down and hold your superior numbers off. I think that improves overall play in itself, so sometimes it is worth doing, especially at lower levels. If you have 6 bases and he has 1, you should be able to end the game in one wave of units. Just do it.
I think it's different if you are facing say Terran and they have you completely contained and you can't do ANYTHING (no harass no hidden expo no anything), then it's time to go. Those people ARE assholes some of the time, but often they are just people who want to be extra safe and don't mind spending more time to practice their timings or their mass base control.
If what they want to do is just practice macroing from a few/bazillion hatcheries, while not doing ANYTHING ELSE, they might aswell do it in single player instead of wasting my time.
On December 12 2009 05:05 Catch]22 wrote: They are worse than the stallers, who after doing some form of successfull harass to bring you down to just one base or something still has to macro up to 200/200 3/3 and take every expand on the map before you finish the game.
This I dont understand, I have 6 expansions and my opponent has 1 expansion max. Still not leaving game. I personally leave games if I am behind right away not stall.
Agreed. People who stay in games when it's clearly over are so annoying.
Agree. I dislike people who lose but lift off or hide pylons all over the place. I also don't like people who sit in the game when it's obvious that they lost. It's not like saying gg 5 minutes later after their base is razed will let them keep their 50 points.
But people aren't out to bash on you. You should be thrilled at having the opportunity to get totally trashed and actually learn from the experience, rather than getting cheap thrills from beating noobs. And if you aren't out of D by now, I doubt that most of the players you got beat by were B level.
On December 12 2009 05:26 Hot_Bid wrote: complaining about smurfs is a way to say "i lost but it wasn't my fault"
face it, you lost to a lot of Ds
Actually, I always take full responsibility when I lose, I know that I can beat pretty much anyone, except for Flash (since i play T, lol).
The thing that actually gets me ticking is the fact that it's such a huge waste of time for the both of us, I'm not getting better by getting stomped, and the only thing he's getting out of it is that he gets to take out his aggressions over some "mean professor at college that didnt let me answer when I raised my hand" or some shit like that.
At least when I play against the cheesers, I get to practice fending off cheese, so it's not a COMPLETE waste of time.
Imagine taking up boxing, now I'm not saying that I had to go up against Tyson, but sparring against someone who spent a few years is only going to leave me with bruises on my face, and him with bruises on his fists.
"Actually, I always take full responsibility when I lose, I know that I can beat pretty much anyone, except for Flash (since i play T, lol). "
What is this LOL You're probably really bad, please don't malign Flash's good name by associating it with yours. But, I'm glad you take responsibility for the important things in life.
lol, your concept of "stallers" is backwards I think
if your opponent gains an edge, starts taking the map + getting 200/200 and you're the one who stays in the game (by turtling up off 2 base) you're the staller
And I'm going to make one thing clear again to everyone who instantly jumps the "lol mb u just suck nub" or the "you cant handle losing, its just D players". I'm not calling anyone smurf who doesnt have something down the lines of a wierd 15 game win streak up from D-, incredible previous-season-stats, or who actually logged in to their real accounts just to laugh at me after the game.
On December 12 2009 05:46 NEwAcC) wrote: lol, your concept of "stallers" is backwards I think
if your opponent gains an edge, starts taking the map + getting 200/200 and you're the one who stays in the game (by turtling up off 2 base) you're the staller
You should take advantage of the fact that you are playing against better players to improve your game. While it may not seem like you can learn much from getting roflstomped, you could actually take a lot out of the game. I always try to play higher level players when I can because usually they make less mistakes and therefore I can learn more from them.
if you dont like starting at the bottom of a ladder, dont play on a ladder system. simple as that, dont bitch about it. also i agree that people who dont leave after they obviously cant come back are annoying to play against. and, what the fuck is the difference between "SMURFS" and regular players who are at a higher level than you? None to you i should expect, except that you dont know ahead of time their skill level, which shouldnt matter at all unless u decide to go easy against them, which is a bad idea because the only players you as a d+ player should be going easy on are d- players - and good players dont get d-
Everyone seems to be asking for matchlist, so I just went with what was simple.
It looks like almost everyone that beat you was bad, except thefenix who looks pretty good with 39-10 c+ and super_korean since he's a Korean, which is self-explanatory.
Also, coming up with a 15-0 record from d- isn't exactly progamer status lolol.
On December 12 2009 05:55 FyRe_DragOn wrote: if you dont like starting at the bottom of a ladder, dont play on a ladder system. simple as that, dont bitch about it. also i agree that people who dont leave after they obviously cant come back are annoying to play against. and, what the fuck is the difference between "SMURFS" and regular players who are at a higher level than you? None to you i should expect, except that you dont know ahead of time their skill level, which shouldnt matter at all unless u decide to go easy against them, which is a bad idea because the only players you as a d+ player should be going easy on are d- players - and good players dont get d-
*wooosh*
Did you even read about the tankers? Do you even know what a smurf is? A smurf isn't just someone who is a better player than you, its someone who is pretending to be a new player/worse than he really is, in order to get to stomp people.
But yeah, you guys are right, I should be able to view it as a learning oppourtunity, since they make fewer mistakes, I hadn't thought of it that way.
And no, I dont play on the account Catch]22 at the moment.
On December 12 2009 05:55 FyRe_DragOn wrote: if you dont like starting at the bottom of a ladder, dont play on a ladder system. simple as that, dont bitch about it. also i agree that people who dont leave after they obviously cant come back are annoying to play against. and, what the fuck is the difference between "SMURFS" and regular players who are at a higher level than you? None to you i should expect, except that you dont know ahead of time their skill level, which shouldnt matter at all unless u decide to go easy against them, which is a bad idea because the only players you as a d+ player should be going easy on are d- players - and good players dont get d-
*wooosh*
Did you even read about the tankers? Do you even know what a smurf is? A smurf isn't just someone who is a better player than you, its someone who is pretending to be a new player/worse than he really is, in order to get to stomp people.
But yeah, you guys are right, I should be able to view it as a learning oppourtunity, since they make fewer mistakes, I hadn't thought of it that way.
And no, I dont play on the account Catch]22 at the moment.
Ya I'm sure a guy that's been to b+ on iccup has no idea what a smurf is.
When every reply tells you to shape up and stop being a moron, you're probably doing something wrong.
And yeah, the last game on the account was on december 8, I suppose you stopped using it for the past 3 days.
from urbandictionary: smurfing
Gaming term: Entering your regular server under a different name so u can see whats going on without being recognized
Verb: In forum usage, the act of a person using another login name to try to fool the forum populace that he/she is a different person. Usually occurs when the said person was recently blacklisted under a previous name, and is attempting to cover up or hide his/her new identity.
On December 12 2009 05:55 FyRe_DragOn wrote: if you dont like starting at the bottom of a ladder, dont play on a ladder system. simple as that, dont bitch about it. also i agree that people who dont leave after they obviously cant come back are annoying to play against. and, what the fuck is the difference between "SMURFS" and regular players who are at a higher level than you? None to you i should expect, except that you dont know ahead of time their skill level, which shouldnt matter at all unless u decide to go easy against them, which is a bad idea because the only players you as a d+ player should be going easy on are d- players - and good players dont get d-
*wooosh*
Did you even read about the tankers? Do you even know what a smurf is? A smurf isn't just someone who is a better player than you, its someone who is pretending to be a new player/worse than he really is, in order to get to stomp people.
But yeah, you guys are right, I should be able to view it as a learning oppourtunity, since they make fewer mistakes, I hadn't thought of it that way.
And no, I dont play on the account Catch]22 at the moment.
At the moment. So you did, earlier this season. So within the past few months. And you are 57-113. So hypothetically speaking there should be MORE higher ranked players playing you because it is from earlier in the season. Why would you object to it? Oh right, because it becomes painfully obvious that you are a 33% winrate D+ player who wouldn't be able to tell C from A level play.
On December 12 2009 05:55 FyRe_DragOn wrote: if you dont like starting at the bottom of a ladder, dont play on a ladder system. simple as that, dont bitch about it. also i agree that people who dont leave after they obviously cant come back are annoying to play against. and, what the fuck is the difference between "SMURFS" and regular players who are at a higher level than you? None to you i should expect, except that you dont know ahead of time their skill level, which shouldnt matter at all unless u decide to go easy against them, which is a bad idea because the only players you as a d+ player should be going easy on are d- players - and good players dont get d-
*wooosh*
Did you even read about the tankers? Do you even know what a smurf is? A smurf isn't just someone who is a better player than you, its someone who is pretending to be a new player/worse than he really is, in order to get to stomp people.
But yeah, you guys are right, I should be able to view it as a learning oppourtunity, since they make fewer mistakes, I hadn't thought of it that way.
And no, I dont play on the account Catch]22 at the moment.
At the moment. So you did, earlier this season. So within the past few months. And you are 57-113. So hypothetically speaking there should be MORE higher ranked players playing you because it is from earlier in the season. Why would you object to it? Oh right, because it becomes painfully obvious that you are a 33% winrate D+ player who wouldn't be able to tell C from A level play.
check the match list, his last two games were played december 8th. Before that, december 4th.
I suppose he improved a lot since then though. If koll can do it, why not catch]22?
On December 12 2009 05:55 FyRe_DragOn wrote: if you dont like starting at the bottom of a ladder, dont play on a ladder system. simple as that, dont bitch about it. also i agree that people who dont leave after they obviously cant come back are annoying to play against. and, what the fuck is the difference between "SMURFS" and regular players who are at a higher level than you? None to you i should expect, except that you dont know ahead of time their skill level, which shouldnt matter at all unless u decide to go easy against them, which is a bad idea because the only players you as a d+ player should be going easy on are d- players - and good players dont get d-
*wooosh*
Did you even read about the tankers? Do you even know what a smurf is? A smurf isn't just someone who is a better player than you, its someone who is pretending to be a new player/worse than he really is, in order to get to stomp people.
But yeah, you guys are right, I should be able to view it as a learning oppourtunity, since they make fewer mistakes, I hadn't thought of it that way.
And no, I dont play on the account Catch]22 at the moment.
At the moment. So you did, earlier this season. So within the past few months. And you are 57-113. So hypothetically speaking there should be MORE higher ranked players playing you because it is from earlier in the season. Why would you object to it? Oh right, because it becomes painfully obvious that you are a 33% winrate D+ player who wouldn't be able to tell C from A level play.
check the match list, his last two games were played december 8th. Before that, december 4th.
I suppose he improved a lot since then though. If koll can do it, why not catch]22?
Don't be ridiculous, catch]22 is probably not his ICCup name at all, someone clearly stole it from him (including the ] symbol). It can't be reflective of his abilities whatsoever.
Every single one of these threads has had the OP exaggerating and/or lying. Now until you prove otherwise with a match list people are going to assume you are the same.
Now you could easily shut everyone up by simply showing how you got bashed by much better players and some people might even give you some sympathy, but as it stands you're just another whiner.
I am a complete noob (,I have only made it to 1999 two times, but that´s maybe just because I never keep playing enough to retain my skills,) and I love playing smurfs and simply better players, the challenge makes me play better. My best game this season was against a 350 APM zerg who was just about C+ and I was so close to actually winning the game. When I checked his gamelist I saw I had actually put the longest fight against him of any games in his account. That made my day.
There were alot of smurfs at the start of TSL ladder. There are a normal number now (almost none)
Sounds like you got owned by some C-/C top rank players at best.
What IS kind of funny though, is that you are basically calling yourself a bad player with no real desire to improve. You should WANT to play better players. The more times you get your face stomped the better.
On December 12 2009 06:32 HwangjaeTerran wrote: I am a complete noob (,I have only made it to 1999 two times, but that´s maybe just because I never keep playing enough to retain my skills,) and I love playing smurfs and simply better players, the challenge makes me play better. My best game this season was against a 350 APM zerg who was just about C+ and I was so close to actually winning the game. When I checked his gamelist I saw I had actually put the longest fight against him of any games in his account. That made my day.
On December 12 2009 06:32 HwangjaeTerran wrote: I am a complete noob (,I have only made it to 1999 two times, but that´s maybe just because I never keep playing enough to retain my skills,) and I love playing smurfs and simply better players, the challenge makes me play better. My best game this season was against a 350 APM zerg who was just about C+ and I was so close to actually winning the game. When I checked his gamelist I saw I had actually put the longest fight against him of any games in his account. That made my day.
Blog it.
Seriously, I'm tired of all these crybabies with their o em gee I'm getting owned by everyone so they MUST be prolar cause I KNOW that I'm fucking good at this game!
I feel you man, i know when someone is a smurf and someone isn't. Usually people who join the game with a 1000 rating and say "gg, gl, hf" and start spamming go are smurfs. Some days you lose but you know they were legit players and some days you lose and you know they weren't D . Some players even go as far as to nerf there stats to D- to make them look more noob like. I had a B- player probe rush me so he could nerf his new account to a low D- -.-
have you ever actually reached c-? and you've yet to produce a single match where you played a B smurf (with proof of his rank from previous seasons). it should be easy though considering that you've played a lot of them.
On December 12 2009 06:46 Piy wrote: There were alot of smurfs at the start of TSL ladder. There are a normal number now (almost none)
Sounds like you got owned by some C-/C top rank players at best.
What IS kind of funny though, is that you are basically calling yourself a bad player with no real desire to improve. You should WANT to play better players. The more times you get your face stomped the better.
On December 12 2009 06:21 Nytefish wrote: Every single one of these threads has had the OP exaggerating and/or lying. Now until you prove otherwise with a match list people are going to assume you are the same.
Now you could easily shut everyone up by simply showing how you got bashed by much better players and some people might even give you some sympathy, but as it stands you're just another whiner.
Now the reason for all the hate gets pretty obvious.
Unfortunately, most of these "known smurfs" are from people who would log into a C+ or B- account later on, usually baited by some "yeah, no, you're not B" or w/e. So there's not really much hard evidence to provide.
I got better things to do than to troll about losing to someone my own level. But if thats what is the most common thing to occur, then yeah, I can see where alot of people are coming from in this thread.
Thanks Saturnize, at least someone knows what it's like to play these 850 rating 300 APMers, with micro way better than you have ever seen after hundreds of games in D+.
On December 12 2009 06:21 Nytefish wrote: Every single one of these threads has had the OP exaggerating and/or lying. Now until you prove otherwise with a match list people are going to assume you are the same.
Now you could easily shut everyone up by simply showing how you got bashed by much better players and some people might even give you some sympathy, but as it stands you're just another whiner.
Now the reason for all the hate gets pretty obvious.
Unfortunately, most of these "known smurfs" are from people who would log into a C+ or B- account later on, usually baited by some "yeah, no, you're not B" or w/e. So there's not really much hard evidence to provide.
just show your match list retard. even if your opponents clear their stats we can see their match list. if all of your opponents are undefeated then we'll believe you. if not and you're losing to d- scrubs then you're a lying bastard begging for sympathy.
On December 12 2009 06:21 Nytefish wrote: Every single one of these threads has had the OP exaggerating and/or lying. Now until you prove otherwise with a match list people are going to assume you are the same.
Now you could easily shut everyone up by simply showing how you got bashed by much better players and some people might even give you some sympathy, but as it stands you're just another whiner.
Now the reason for all the hate gets pretty obvious.
Unfortunately, most of these "known smurfs" are from people who would log into a C+ or B- account later on, usually baited by some "yeah, no, you're not B" or w/e. So there's not really much hard evidence to provide.
I got better things to do than to troll about losing to someone my own level. But if thats what is the most common thing to occur, then yeah, I can see where alot of people are coming from in this thread.
Thanks Saturnize, at least someone knows what it's like to play these 850 rating 300 APMers, with micro way better than you have ever seen after hundreds of games in D+.
a player who goes 50% to C would dazzle you with his micro
On December 12 2009 06:21 Nytefish wrote: Every single one of these threads has had the OP exaggerating and/or lying. Now until you prove otherwise with a match list people are going to assume you are the same.
Now you could easily shut everyone up by simply showing how you got bashed by much better players and some people might even give you some sympathy, but as it stands you're just another whiner.
Now the reason for all the hate gets pretty obvious.
Unfortunately, most of these "known smurfs" are from people who would log into a C+ or B- account later on, usually baited by some "yeah, no, you're not B" or w/e. So there's not really much hard evidence to provide.
I got better things to do than to troll about losing to someone my own level. But if thats what is the most common thing to occur, then yeah, I can see where alot of people are coming from in this thread.
Thanks Saturnize, at least someone knows what it's like to play these 850 rating 300 APMers, with micro way better than you have ever seen after hundreds of games in D+.
Yea that reason is because you are just like every other person who whined about a few matches lost to better players, pretending like there is an epidemic of smurfs or some shit, then failing to produce any conclusive evidence. Keep mentioning 1 game that ticked you off, as if it is something that should motivate you to make a pathetic blog (even though many other people have gone through the same thing at least once, and have gotten over it or seen the benefit in it). Yea, that's the reason for all the hate. It's not about you losing to someone your own level, it's about you losing to a better person a few times and being a pussy about it.
Ohhh nooo, I played a guy who is better than me, can someone please relate?! Oh, Saturnize, you are the only one that doesn't think I'm a tool, let me latch onto you for moral support because it is so clearly unfair that I had to play against a guy with 300 apm, even though I lose to 6-8 D-level players anyway.
I think its funny that people are complaining that "oh you are whining because you lost to a better player" but the smurf has to make a new account to play much much worse players
"Actually, I always take full responsibility when I lose, I know that I can beat pretty much anyone, except for Flash (since i play T, lol). "
What is this LOL You're probably really bad, please don't malign Flash's good name by associating it with yours. But, I'm glad you take responsibility for the important things in life.
You're just a cherry pie with extra sugar on it, aren't you.
On December 12 2009 06:21 Nytefish wrote: Every single one of these threads has had the OP exaggerating and/or lying. Now until you prove otherwise with a match list people are going to assume you are the same.
Now you could easily shut everyone up by simply showing how you got bashed by much better players and some people might even give you some sympathy, but as it stands you're just another whiner.
Now the reason for all the hate gets pretty obvious.
Unfortunately, most of these "known smurfs" are from people who would log into a C+ or B- account later on, usually baited by some "yeah, no, you're not B" or w/e. So there's not really much hard evidence to provide.
I got better things to do than to troll about losing to someone my own level. But if thats what is the most common thing to occur, then yeah, I can see where alot of people are coming from in this thread.
Thanks Saturnize, at least someone knows what it's like to play these 850 rating 300 APMers, with micro way better than you have ever seen after hundreds of games in D+.
Yea that reason is because you are just like every other person who whined about a few matches lost to better players, pretending like there is an epidemic of smurfs or some shit, then failing to produce any conclusive evidence. Keep mentioning 1 game that ticked you off, as if it is something that should motivate you to make a pathetic blog (even though many other people have gone through the same thing at least once, and have gotten over it or seen the benefit in it). Yea, that's the reason for all the hate. It's not about you losing to someone your own level, it's about you losing to a better person a few times and being a pussy about it.
Ohhh nooo, I played a guy who is better than me, can someone please relate?! Oh, Saturnize, you are the only one that doesn't think I'm a tool, let me latch onto you for moral support because it is so clearly unfair that I had to play against a guy with 300 apm, even though I lose to 6-8 D-level players anyway.
Yeah, I lose to D players, Its called being D level.
Catch]22 you are a legit low-end D+ player. therefore its unlikely that your grasp on the game is deep enough to distinguish between the higher levels of starcrafting i.e. C- or above. Smurfs, as you like to label them, are perhaps only inoffensive legit C- users and not out of reach smurfing B players. Those aforementioned C- players that you find on your path are simply there to make sure that you get bumped back to D+ instead of crossing the C- frontier, therefore their presence in your starcraft world should be seen as a blessing because it ensures that you remain in your skill range (winning or losing vs D+'s and losing vs C-'s) without risking to play C users while you're standing at C-
On December 12 2009 07:11 intrudor wrote: Catch]22 you are a legit low-end D+ player. therefore its unlikely that your grasp on the game is deep enough to distinguish between the higher levels of starcrafting i.e. C- or above. Smurfs, as you like to label them, are perhaps only inoffensive legit C- users and not out of reach smurfing B players. Those aforementioned C- players that you find on your path are simply there to make sure that you get bumped back to D+ instead of crossing the C- frontier, therefore their presence in your starcraft world should be seen as a blessing because it ensures that you remain in your skill range (winning or losing vs D+'s and losing vs C-'s) without risking to play C users while you're standing at C-
On December 12 2009 05:55 FyRe_DragOn wrote: if you dont like starting at the bottom of a ladder, dont play on a ladder system. simple as that, dont bitch about it. also i agree that people who dont leave after they obviously cant come back are annoying to play against. and, what the fuck is the difference between "SMURFS" and regular players who are at a higher level than you? None to you i should expect, except that you dont know ahead of time their skill level, which shouldnt matter at all unless u decide to go easy against them, which is a bad idea because the only players you as a d+ player should be going easy on are d- players - and good players dont get d-
*wooosh*
Did you even read about the tankers? Do you even know what a smurf is? A smurf isn't just someone who is a better player than you, its someone who is pretending to be a new player/worse than he really is, in order to get to stomp people.
But yeah, you guys are right, I should be able to view it as a learning oppourtunity, since they make fewer mistakes, I hadn't thought of it that way.
And no, I dont play on the account Catch]22 at the moment.
At the moment. So you did, earlier this season. So within the past few months. And you are 57-113. So hypothetically speaking there should be MORE higher ranked players playing you because it is from earlier in the season. Why would you object to it? Oh right, because it becomes painfully obvious that you are a 33% winrate D+ player who wouldn't be able to tell C from A level play.
Yes, I am D+, people staying at D+ have ~that winrate, otherwise you would go up to C.
Look, something else than me is obviously bothering you, maybe you need to handle that directly instead of taking it out on me. Either that, or you dont realize that I havnt been playign for too long, or I dont have the talent of Koll.
On December 12 2009 05:46 NEwAcC) wrote: lol, your concept of "stallers" is backwards I think
if your opponent gains an edge, starts taking the map + getting 200/200 and you're the one who stays in the game (by turtling up off 2 base) you're the staller
Now you're just arguing semantics.
No, he is right. You are the asshole for not leaving.
On December 12 2009 05:28 Catch]22 wrote: No, seriously, when I say confirmed smufs, I really mean confirmed smurfs, like checking previous season stats etc.
On December 12 2009 06:57 Catch]22 wrote: Unfortunately, most of these "known smurfs" are from people who would log into a C+ or B- account later on, usually baited by some "yeah, no, you're not B" or w/e. So there's not really much hard evidence to provide.
On December 12 2009 05:28 Catch]22 wrote: No, seriously, when I say confirmed smufs, I really mean confirmed smurfs, like checking previous season stats etc.
On December 12 2009 06:57 Catch]22 wrote: Unfortunately, most of these "known smurfs" are from people who would log into a C+ or B- account later on, usually baited by some "yeah, no, you're not B" or w/e. So there's not really much hard evidence to provide.
Percieving a trend doesnt mean I know exactly which games it was, or on which account.
On December 12 2009 07:35 Sauron wrote: Wow, 22 minutes againts Jaedong! Congrats!
jaedong was just stalling:
On December 12 2009 05:05 Catch]22 wrote: They are worse than the stallers, who after doing some form of successfull harass to bring you down to just one base or something still has to macro up to 200/200 3/3 and take every expand on the map before you finish the game.
On December 12 2009 05:28 Catch]22 wrote: No, seriously, when I say confirmed smufs, I really mean confirmed smurfs, like checking previous season stats etc.
On December 12 2009 06:57 Catch]22 wrote: Unfortunately, most of these "known smurfs" are from people who would log into a C+ or B- account later on, usually baited by some "yeah, no, you're not B" or w/e. So there's not really much hard evidence to provide.
Percieving a trend doesnt mean I know exactly which games it was, or on which account.
On December 12 2009 05:28 Catch]22 wrote: No, seriously, when I say confirmed smufs, I really mean confirmed smurfs, like checking previous season stats etc.
On December 12 2009 06:57 Catch]22 wrote: Unfortunately, most of these "known smurfs" are from people who would log into a C+ or B- account later on, usually baited by some "yeah, no, you're not B" or w/e. So there's not really much hard evidence to provide.
Percieving a trend doesnt mean I know exactly which games it was, or on which account.
dude just give it up already and admit that you were wrong and are a whiny scrub. you come in here basing your claim off of crappy anecdotal evidence (YOUR anecdotal evidence...) and expect us to provide you with sympathy. when the first person calls bullshit on your story, you get all defensive but refuse to admit that you were wrong. when someone asked you to provide concrete evidence you start contradicting yourself and make bullshit statements like that one in order to cover your tracks. what do you hope to gain by arguing on?
On December 12 2009 05:28 Catch]22 wrote: No, seriously, when I say confirmed smufs, I really mean confirmed smurfs, like checking previous season stats etc.
On December 12 2009 06:57 Catch]22 wrote: Unfortunately, most of these "known smurfs" are from people who would log into a C+ or B- account later on, usually baited by some "yeah, no, you're not B" or w/e. So there's not really much hard evidence to provide.
Percieving a trend doesnt mean I know exactly which games it was, or on which account.
So you have multiple accounts? Isn't that the very nature of smurfing? What, do you play on your D- account sometimes instead of at D+?
On December 12 2009 05:05 Catch]22 wrote: They are worse than the stallers, who after doing some form of successfull harass to bring you down to just one base or something still has to macro up to 200/200 3/3 and take every expand on the map before you finish the game.
This I dont understand, I have 6 expansions and my opponent has 1 expansion max. Still not leaving game. I personally leave games if I am behind right away not stall.
Playing against really bad odds improves your gameplay because you are still microing and macroing (sometimes, I guess), trying to think of ways to slow you down and hold your superior numbers off. I think that improves overall play in itself, so sometimes it is worth doing, especially at lower levels. If you have 6 bases and he has 1, you should be able to end the game in one wave of units. Just do it.
I think it's different if you are facing say Terran and they have you completely contained and you can't do ANYTHING (no harass no hidden expo no anything), then it's time to go. Those people ARE assholes some of the time, but often they are just people who want to be extra safe and don't mind spending more time to practice their timings or their mass base control.
If what they want to do is just practice macroing from a few/bazillion hatcheries, while not doing ANYTHING ELSE, they might aswell do it in single player instead of wasting my time.
Did you ever consider you are wasting THEIR time by staying in the game when you know you lost? Seems like you are not as good as you think you are.
Man, I really hate those noobies, that, when I have beaten them, they stay in the game, stalling the game, so I decide to max out to 200/200 3-3 to practice my macro.
So that makes it okay for him to BM me as if I'm some sort of asshole smurf when I'm just starting a new season? Please, that kind of mentality aligns you with catch]22.
On December 12 2009 05:28 Catch]22 wrote: No, seriously, when I say confirmed smufs, I really mean confirmed smurfs, like checking previous season stats etc.
On December 12 2009 06:57 Catch]22 wrote: Unfortunately, most of these "known smurfs" are from people who would log into a C+ or B- account later on, usually baited by some "yeah, no, you're not B" or w/e. So there's not really much hard evidence to provide.
Percieving a trend doesnt mean I know exactly which games it was, or on which account.
dude just give it up already and admit that you were wrong and are a whiny scrub. you come in here basing your claim off of crappy anecdotal evidence (YOUR anecdotal evidence...) and expect us to provide you with sympathy. when the first person calls bullshit on your story, you get all defensive but refuse to admit that you were wrong. when someone asked you to provide concrete evidence you start contradicting yourself and make bullshit statements like that one in order to cover your tracks. what do you hope to gain by arguing on?
Obviously, since people in this thread seem to think anyone who is relatively new to the game total shit and beyond hope, there isn't much to gain.
Admitting that I'm wrong? Well, I already said that you made a good point about not being scared of playing against better players (which got me flamed, because I said that I knew I couldnt beat flash, seriously?)
But no, I know the difference between losing to another D+ player, even when I screw up completely and get totaled. I'hve had a sudden surge of smurfers, and it has been really frustrating.
On December 12 2009 05:28 Catch]22 wrote: No, seriously, when I say confirmed smufs, I really mean confirmed smurfs, like checking previous season stats etc.
On December 12 2009 06:57 Catch]22 wrote: Unfortunately, most of these "known smurfs" are from people who would log into a C+ or B- account later on, usually baited by some "yeah, no, you're not B" or w/e. So there's not really much hard evidence to provide.
Percieving a trend doesnt mean I know exactly which games it was, or on which account.
dude just give it up already and admit that you were wrong and are a whiny scrub. you come in here basing your claim off of crappy anecdotal evidence (YOUR anecdotal evidence...) and expect us to provide you with sympathy. when the first person calls bullshit on your story, you get all defensive but refuse to admit that you were wrong. when someone asked you to provide concrete evidence you start contradicting yourself and make bullshit statements like that one in order to cover your tracks. what do you hope to gain by arguing on?
Obviously, since people in this thread seem to think anyone who is relatively new to the game total shit and beyond hope, there isn't much to gain.
Admitting that I'm wrong? Well, I already said that you made a good point about not being scared of playing against better players (which got me flamed, because I said that I knew I couldnt beat flash, seriously?)
But no, I know the difference between losing to another D+ player, even when I screw up completely and get totaled. I'hve had a sudden surge of smurfers, and it has been really frustrating.
So why can't you post your matchlist so we can know who these miscreants are? Oh right.
On December 12 2009 05:28 Catch]22 wrote: No, seriously, when I say confirmed smufs, I really mean confirmed smurfs, like checking previous season stats etc.
On December 12 2009 06:57 Catch]22 wrote: Unfortunately, most of these "known smurfs" are from people who would log into a C+ or B- account later on, usually baited by some "yeah, no, you're not B" or w/e. So there's not really much hard evidence to provide.
Percieving a trend doesnt mean I know exactly which games it was, or on which account.
dude just give it up already and admit that you were wrong and are a whiny scrub. you come in here basing your claim off of crappy anecdotal evidence (YOUR anecdotal evidence...) and expect us to provide you with sympathy. when the first person calls bullshit on your story, you get all defensive but refuse to admit that you were wrong. when someone asked you to provide concrete evidence you start contradicting yourself and make bullshit statements like that one in order to cover your tracks. what do you hope to gain by arguing on?
Obviously, since people in this thread seem to think anyone who is relatively new to the game total shit and beyond hope, there isn't much to gain.
Admitting that I'm wrong? Well, I already said that you made a good point about not being scared of playing against better players (which got me flamed, because I said that I knew I couldnt beat flash, seriously?)
But no, I know the difference between losing to another D+ player, even when I screw up completely and get totaled. I'hve had a sudden surge of smurfers, and it has been really frustrating.
So why can't you post your matchlist so we can know who these miscreants are? Oh right.
Please, if that isnt obvious, I dont know what is.
People often think others reason the same way they do, so by that line of logic, you rage on players of equal skill, regardless of their actual ability.
I wouldnt start the blog if I didnt think there was something to be angry about.
Different people have different views on what they like and what they don't like. Why is there so much hate in this thread. Yes some people love getting stomped by people who are 3 ranks above them, but there are some people who don't like getting stomped by people who are 3 ranks above them. Blaming 'smurfs' can be used as a scapegoat, but smurfing is definitely something that occurs on iccup a lot. Also, not everyone is on iccup to learn by being stomped on, some people are there hoping for a equally skilled opponent with antihack and lan latency. Spread the love guys.
Edit: Personally, when I play tennis, I prefer matches where the ball goes back and forth many times before a point is scored, compared to a match against some opponent who just Ace's me everytime with some crazy serve. I enjoy tennis most, when my opponent is about equally skilled as I am, StarCraft is the same for me.
So that makes it okay for him to BM me as if I'm some sort of asshole smurf when I'm just starting a new season? Please, that kind of mentality aligns you with catch]22.
eh i actually misread your post and thought he beat you and was BMing you for it and your excuse was that you were a struggling C- player.
On December 12 2009 08:17 s_86 wrote: Different people have different views on what they like and what they don't like. Why is there so much hate in this thread. Yes some people love getting stomped by people who are 3 ranks above them, but there are some people who don't like getting stomped by people who are 3 ranks above them. Blaming 'smurfs' can be used as a scapegoat, but smurfing is definitely something that occurs on iccup a lot. Also, not everyone is on iccup to learn by being stomped on, some people are there hoping for a equally skilled opponent with antihack and lan latency. Spread the love guys.
Yes, games between equally skilled opponents are the most fun and rewarding.
Also, about matchlists, my older matchlist got me flamed simply for being a D+ player. This thread is rampant with people in a bad mood, and there would be bloody murder if they saw my offrace account, which ihve been playing on for the past week or two.
On December 12 2009 08:17 s_86 wrote: Different people have different views on what they like and what they don't like. Why is there so much hate in this thread. Yes some people love getting stomped by people who are 3 ranks above them, but there are some people who don't like getting stomped by people who are 3 ranks above them. Blaming 'smurfs' can be used as a scapegoat, but smurfing is definitely something that occurs on iccup a lot. Also, not everyone is on iccup to learn by being stomped on, some people are there hoping for a equally skilled opponent with antihack and lan latency. Spread the love guys.
Yes, games between equally skilled opponents are the most fun and rewarding.
Also, about matchlists, my older matchlist got me flamed simply for being a D+ player. This thread is rampant with people in a bad mood, and there would be bloody murder if they saw my offrace account, which ihve been playing on for the past week or two.
Dude if you lose to noobs and pros all the same, why do your complaints about losing to pros matter? Because they are better than you? Well, look at this way, so are those D rank players who beat you but stayed at D.
How the fuck are you going to get better without ever challenging yourself to play stronger players? You want to play people who are just as good as you, great, have fun being mediocre at this game and getting beaten by the occasional C- and bitching in a blog about it.
On December 12 2009 08:17 s_86 wrote: Different people have different views on what they like and what they don't like. Why is there so much hate in this thread. Yes some people love getting stomped by people who are 3 ranks above them, but there are some people who don't like getting stomped by people who are 3 ranks above them. Blaming 'smurfs' can be used as a scapegoat, but smurfing is definitely something that occurs on iccup a lot. Also, not everyone is on iccup to learn by being stomped on, some people are there hoping for a equally skilled opponent with antihack and lan latency. Spread the love guys.
Yes, games between equally skilled opponents are the most fun and rewarding.
Also, about matchlists, my older matchlist got me flamed simply for being a D+ player. This thread is rampant with people in a bad mood, and there would be bloody murder if they saw my offrace account, which ihve been playing on for the past week or two.
Dude if you lose to noobs and pros all the same, why do your complaints about losing to pros matter? Because they are better than you? Well, look at this way, so are those D rank players who beat you but stayed at D.
How the fuck are you going to get better without ever challenging yourself to play stronger players? You want to play people who are just as good as you, great, have fun being mediocre at this game and getting beaten by the occasional C- and bitching in a blog about it.
Hey, this is what I'hve been looking for this whole thread. Finally!
What a nice bandwagon of hate we have here! You guys are maybe forgeting that Starcraft is a VERY frustrating game which sometimes causes people to write stuff like this guy's blog. OP gg for playing ~150 games, but you should strive to improve more. Watch replays and sharpen up your build order timings and you'll be cruising through the C ranks in no time. Also, I recommend not to exagerate things next time you make a blog here. Keep improving!
On December 12 2009 06:47 Kau wrote: Haha I tried proxy hatching an A- korean before. That didn't end well...
I tried to rush to 3-3 battlecruisers in a TvsP on destination. Turns out my opponent was some Korean who reached A a few seasons back. It might have fared worse than your proxy hatch ;-).
I agree with Catch]22, but only when it concerns real D/D- players. How can you even begin to improve as a D/D- player against a B/B+ player? You simple cant. Theres no point in-game where you can try and improve cause you getting your face raped by someone whos probably reset his 57-30 stat cause it wasnt "pretty". Its a little different for example a D+ player who has his mechanics falling into place, he knows some BO's, and generally knows what hes doing vs a better player. The D+ player can reflect upon his game wheras D- player who is still learning how to place his first rax on time cant do that cause he has barely any idea how to react to anything. Theres my rant. I believe the people who think real smurfing (D- vs C/B ect) is ok, say so cause they like giving themselves a pat on the back, and like easy games.
Hmm...well I sort of have similar stats to Catch]22's except a bit lower as I'm not the highest D+ player on the block.
But I WILL say that I think it's always good to play against C-/C/C+, etc. players because it's SOOO helpful to understand why you lost (no sarcasm there). It doesn't matter if you don't have a chance. The REASON you have no chance is because there is something that you are doing WRONG.
So what do you do? Learn from it! You're a D+ player, not a D- shrub. Pick up yourself after your loss and keep going. You're not facing ClouD (OH GOD, I had such a privilege playing against him, even though it was 6 minutes. xD ) every since game, so be thankful that at least you have a competitive ladder that teaches you how to play better as a Starcraft player.
There's a reason why they're B- and you're D+. Watch those replays and discovery why.
Smurfs use to piss me off also. Then i relaized im the smartest person in the world. As soon as someone enters game. If i see they are D with exactly 1000 points. Ban!!! If not....I say "sec mouse"
then i alt tab to iccup.com and search there name. If they are D+ with a 25-2 record or something stat resetter. Ban!!!
If they are B previous season.....Ban!!!
Spending 10 seconds before every game doing this has virtually eliminated 99% of smurfs for me. So worth it. I get nice quality games against people my own skill level....maybe slightly higher. I know the feeling of assuming ur playing a smurf and going into the game thinking your going to lose and tilting. This has cleared my mind and allowed me to actually have fun. Give it a try.
On December 12 2009 10:00 Fixed wrote: Smurfs use to piss me off also. Then i relaized im the smartest person in the world. As soon as someone enters game. If i see they are D with exactly 1000 points. Ban!!! If not....I say "sec mouse"
then i alt tab to iccup.com and search there name. If they are D+ with a 25-2 record or something stat resetter. Ban!!!
If they are B previous season.....Ban!!!
Spending 10 seconds before every game doing this has virtually eliminated 99% of smurfs for me. So worth it. I get nice quality games against people my own skill level....maybe slightly higher. I know the feeling of assuming ur playing a smurf and going into the game thinking your going to lose and tilting. This has cleared my mind and allowed me to actually have fun. Give it a try.
That is so lame and stupid, constantly playing only noobs that you can beat and thus never actually progressing.
EPT
. Some players even go as far as to nerf there stats to D- to make them look more noob like. I had a B- player probe rush me so he could nerf his new account to a low D- -.-
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