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konadora
Singapore66071 Posts
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Apex
United States7226 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66071 Posts
Fantasy just reacted slow to the ling surround on that bunker. But that was because he didn't see the extra lings at the ramp. Can't blame him. Otherwise both Fantasy and Jaedong played really well. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66071 Posts
Fantasy is so unlucky rofl | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On August 15 2009 09:59 Avidkeystamper wrote: Here's a fact, Terrans cheese more than zergs, assuming that we count 8rax-> bunker rush as a cheese. Why? 8 rax with only 1 or 2 scvs is the equivalent of a 9 pool, it can kill them if theyre not ready or they fuck up and even if it does no damage you're not at an unwinnable disadvantage, so if you dont think 9 pool is a cheese you cant say 8 rax is. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
I mean, pulling off that 4 pool on a 4 player map was very good play. Fantasy's defense was incredible as well... until he lost the bunker, lol. Btw, anyone else really think that Fantasy though Jdong went 5pool not 4pool? I say this because he saw the scouting drone, which 4pool usually doesn't provide, but 5pool does. =/ | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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Exteray
United States1094 Posts
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VictorW
United States157 Posts
So I guess the last 10 pages are people flaming eachother about cheese? I wonder what it would be like if other sports were held to the same standards: Johan Santana always cheeses with that changeup. Why doesn't he play standard? Paul Pierce always cheeses with those head fakes. Why can't he play standard? Dolphins are running that cheesy Wildcat offense. Why don't they play standard? | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On August 15 2009 11:21 justiceknight wrote: wats the difference in the timing between 4 pool and 5 pool? It's not so much the timing difference as it is enough drones to support 1-base lings. 3 drones, which is what jaedong had after he used one for scouting, doesn't allow him to keep pumping lings. So for that reason Fantasy might've expected the 5-pool timing. But Jaedong doesn't need to stinking backup lings with his micro. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On August 15 2009 10:43 konadora wrote: Wtf game 4 Fantasy is so unlucky rofl Game 4 was not "unlucky", just very bad. + Show Spoiler + His building placement was just plain horrendous. Anyone going 9 pool would have won against him with that build, even a D+ ICCUP player. I have no clue what he was thinking. | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On August 15 2009 10:01 OneOther wrote: haha i view the cheese cycle like this: zerg gays protoss, protoss gays terran, terran gays zerg. This is pretty true. But the level of punishment for failed cheese definately differs among races | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On August 15 2009 12:07 citi.zen wrote: Game 4 was not "unlucky", just very bad. + Show Spoiler + His building placement was just plain horrendous. Anyone going 9 pool would have won against him with that build, even a D+ ICCUP player. I have no clue what he was thinking. He was unlucky because of his spawn location. | ||
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Neighbor
United States119 Posts
Of course if he hadn't canceled his first marine, he would have been able to get it safely to the other side before the lings got to his base. Fantasy's fault there. | ||
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slvcadv
United States43 Posts
I wonder why Fantasy didn't use that double rax build he used in the proleague finals against Jaedong? I thought that killed Jaedong's 2 hatch build. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
Jaedong won game 3 on mind games. He had hidden his extra lings while keeping the lfet overs of his initial assault running around fantasy's base, which made fantasy remove one marine from the bunker to try to harass them. Then JD made a move with his first group of lings towards fantasy scvs. This prompted fantasy to stack all of his scv's in one space, for defence purposes and that's when Jaedong strikes. He places his first group of lings between the stacked scvs and the bunker and rushes with the rest of his forces, surrounding the bunker. No repairing was possible. Jaedong tricked fantasy into thinking that a) the all in rush had ended and he was pumping drones at his main and b) that he would try to snipe scvs with the left over troops. Fantasy responded accordingly and just as Jaedong wanted him to do. This is what won the game for Jaedong. Game 4 was just evidence that a fast factory build for terrans vs zergs can be quite weak against early aggression. It was a nice rape but not a great match, it was a non starter. The series was truely decided in the mind games of the third match. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On August 15 2009 06:30 Foucault wrote: How are all games crazy good? Jaedong fucking cheesed the last 2 games, and I respect him even less now. I mean c'mon 4 pool and next game all in lings again and Fantasy made some weird wall and Jaedong got very lucky. At least Jaedong knows how to be lame, whereas Fantasy probably would have won if the last games were straight up. And yeah I'm kinda speaking in rage but still I think the last games were very lame. Typical mindless terran fanboy: totally ignores the fact that fantasy himself cheesed in the PL final. It's part of the game- deal with it, us Jaedong fans had to last weekend. | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
On August 15 2009 12:21 baubo wrote: He was unlucky because of his spawn location. Which would still make it his fault for going for the wall? | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On August 15 2009 12:28 Neighbor wrote: How was his building placement horrendous? It was a perfectly legitimate ling-proof wall. Fantasy just had the bad luck of spawning in the one position that would cause his rines/vultures to spawn right into the lings. Of course if he hadn't canceled his first marine, he would have been able to get it safely to the other side before the lings got to his base. Fantasy's fault there. Which is why he maybe shouldn't have walled there because it would get you automatically screwed against lings. Also, his marine couldn't get through to the other side BECAUSE it was ling-proof, which made it marine-proof as well. Marines can only get through if it's zealot-proof but not ling-proof. He screwed himself by walling himself in like that. | ||
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