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Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
August 14 2009 22:23 GMT
#2081
Just watched the series. I thought Jaedong was very shaky in the first game and was on his way to a quick exit from the OSL. Fortunately he managed to pull it together and get back to his customary style of 3-1 victories.
Zero fighting.
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
August 14 2009 22:30 GMT
#2082
On August 15 2009 06:30 Foucault wrote:
How are all games crazy good?

Jaedong fucking cheesed the last 2 games, and I respect him even less now. I mean c'mon 4 pool and next game all in lings again and Fantasy made some weird wall and Jaedong got very lucky.

At least Jaedong knows how to be lame, whereas Fantasy probably would have won if the last games were straight up.

And yeah I'm kinda speaking in rage but still I think the last games were very lame.


lol. Since when is 9 pool speed cheese? Its just an aggressive opening, a standard T opening can perfectly defend against it. Yeah lets keep complaining about how Fantasy probably would have won if it was straight up when Fantasy's wins over Jaedong are more from cheese than Jaedong's wins over Fantasy ^__^


Bring up my old post:

On August 15 2009 04:24 AzureEye wrote:
lol at all the Terran fanboys crying to death screaming that JD cheesed and hope Yarnc takes him down and ZvZ finals is boring, they're not gonna watch, etc.

First of all, TvT finals is alot more boring than ZvZ finals, and it'll be good if all your douchebags don't watch because then the stream won't be as laggy

Fantasy cheesed JD with bunker rushes constantly in the finals and Zerg cheese like 4 pool is extremely risky and easy to defend against, while Terrans get a shitload of options to cheese Z and its not even that all-in.

Stop crying, T is suppose to win verses Z because of balance problems but one time that it doesn't, you guys cry to death

Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
August 14 2009 22:41 GMT
#2083
ZvZ is the most boring match-up to a lot of people.

I really hoped that Fantasy would be able to pull it off with all that momentum and help of his coaches. Was looking forward to see Yarnc's ZvT against Fantasy. Would have been an incredible final.

I am especially disappointed by game 3. I thought Fantasy will be able to defend it after he bult that simcuty but then Jaedong destroyed that freaking bunker in a spectacular fashion... I wonder what would have happened had Fantasy won game 3...

AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
August 14 2009 22:45 GMT
#2084
On August 15 2009 07:41 Lebesgue wrote:
ZvZ is the most boring match-up to a lot of people.


"A lot of people" who say this turn out to be mostly Terrans. Would you rather watch an action-packed, micro-fest 10 minute game or would you rather watch a 30 minute game with slowwwww tanks that take forever to siege and re-locate with multiple bases and macro macro


Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
August 14 2009 22:46 GMT
#2085
ZvZ is not boring matchup at all ... but you can say games are kinda fast so 5 games can be done for like 30-60 min.

I find tvt and even pvp more boring than zvz.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
August 14 2009 22:47 GMT
#2086
"TvT Finals is a lot more boring than ZvZ finals"

What a joke. The TvT matchup was pretty much built for the finals. Some of the best games ever have been TvTs. Flash vs UpMagic from Batoo, Flash vs FBH from Proleague, UpMagic vs Light game 3 from WCG. All of them epic, all of them better as game 5 of a finals than a ZvZ could ever be.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
August 14 2009 22:49 GMT
#2087
On August 15 2009 07:47 motbob wrote:
"TvT Finals is a lot more boring than ZvZ finals"

What a joke. The TvT matchup was pretty much built for the finals. Some of the best games ever have been TvTs. Flash vs UpMagic from Batoo, Flash vs FBH from Proleague, UpMagic vs Light game 3 from WCG. All of them epic, all of them better as game 5 of a finals than a ZvZ could ever be.


calm down personal taste.

there have been plenty of good matches zvz. how half of the games jaedong is down in one and comes back, ops lost 4 drones still wins. ops no spire but still wins.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Gormaol
Profile Joined July 2009
United States27 Posts
August 14 2009 22:50 GMT
#2088
On August 14 2009 13:13 Warrior Madness wrote:
The Tyrant has been brought to his knees. Fantasy is riding a wave of momentum into this series. Boxer and Oov are going to be breathing life into his fingers tonight. He's going chop off JD's head tonight.I just can't see Fantasy losing.


On August 14 2009 14:20 Sadistx wrote:
Jaedong is entering a massive Savior slump. Fantasy 3-1 JD, with 1 match being stolen by a ling all-in.


Hahaha, stupid, conceited, cocksure T1 fanboys, you got OWNED! You were WRONG! YOU GOT DESTROYED! (Only directing this to those who made JD out to be a pathetic has-been and made idiotic anti-Z or JD remarks in general). But man, I swear, like 70% of the SKT fanbase is comprised of swinish braggarts who think that being fans of (arguably) the strongest proleague team will ensure that they're right in making absurdly contemptuous remarks and wild predictions about players who are facing a member of the SKT team when the match hasn't even been decided yet.

Man, I loved the build up to the moment when JD was four pooling, the "foh pouh!" from the commentators, ah man. Jaedong so vindicated himself when he showed that dirty rat Fantasy how to do a REAL cheese. I'm sure Fantasy took notes hahaha. But perhaps even more amusing was when he surrounded the spawning site of the Marines and Vultures and ensnared them in both of the last two games, just completely outplayed and utterly humiliated Fantasy.

I wish Jaedong had done a celebration when he went up on the stage to toss the hat by pulling out a picture of Fantasy's face, showing it to the audience, then dropping it on the floor and moonwalking over it. OWNED!!!
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
August 14 2009 22:51 GMT
#2089
Jaedong
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-14 23:14:03
August 14 2009 22:58 GMT
#2090
ZvZ doesn't scale.
TvT does.

When it's two mediocre players battling it out in a random PL match, TvT is atrocious. I'll take a ZvZ over that anytime. At least it'll be fast and not too boring.

But in a SL finals bo5, with so much at stake, and two players one can reasonably expect to be A or S-Class, ZvZ just doesn't cut it anymore, whereas TvT can become absolutely brilliant. Did you watch the MSL semis? Calm played brilliantly and Jaedong played solid although he lost. But can these games be called "epic" in any way? Not really. And I fear it's going to be the same vs Yarnc, unless some miracle happens.

ZvZ doesn't scale. It's rarely atrocious. It's rarely great either. Overall, it sucks for finals. :/

As usual, personal opinion, etc. My favorite mirror is PvP anyway.
Raidy
Profile Joined March 2009
Japan87 Posts
August 14 2009 23:04 GMT
#2091
I can't help but laugh at the people raging at Jaedong for 9 pooling.

I mean, come on. Nine pool is cheese? Jaedong went mass lings because Fantasy relied on his stupid wall to get into mech ASAP. Had Fantasy spawned in a position where his vultures and marines didn't spawn in a retarded position, Jaedong could have easily teched into mutalisks or hydralisks, and he would have been just fine.

I swear that people will call anything other than 12 hatch into 3 hatch mutalisks cheese nowadays. Didn't you guys expect this at some point? Starcraft builds are getting greedier and greedier every season; there has to be some way for a Zerg player to keep Terran players real.

Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-14 23:11:54
August 14 2009 23:06 GMT
#2092
I could swear there are more people in this thread bashing "raging people" than the actual number of raging people themselves. :/
Gormaol
Profile Joined July 2009
United States27 Posts
August 14 2009 23:08 GMT
#2093
Oh, and if anyone's keeping track, it's quite ironic and funny how there were no moderators threatening posters with suspensions in the Grand Finals thread when SKT won for rubbing it in the Oz fans faces. It'd be nice if there was a little more fairness around here.
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
August 14 2009 23:18 GMT
#2094
So rooting for Yarnc in the finals...
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
August 14 2009 23:20 GMT
#2095
On August 15 2009 08:08 Gormaol wrote:
Oh, and if anyone's keeping track, it's quite ironic and funny how there were no moderators threatening posters with suspensions in the Grand Finals thread when SKT won for rubbing it in the Oz fans faces. It'd be nice if there was a little more fairness around here.


hhohohoho i didnt even see this post suggesting that a gigantic team of moderators who all love different teams are totally biased in favor of t1 somehow

changin this 2 weeks to permanent, fuck off buddy don't come back
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-14 23:29:02
August 14 2009 23:25 GMT
#2096
On August 15 2009 08:06 Matoo- wrote:
I could swear there are more people in this thread bashing "raging people" than the actual number of raging people themselves. :/

The fanboys are becoming more aggressive. The haters need to use safer BOs.
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TL always seems slow to note a change. Like people will say Flash is slumping a week or two after he stops slumping. This happened in the MSL yesterday too.
Jaedong
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
August 14 2009 23:29 GMT
#2097
Amazing series from Jaedong.

If both Yarnc and JD are on their game in the finals it should be fantastic.
We did. You did. Yes we can. No. || http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/crate.html || twitch.tv/crate3333
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
August 14 2009 23:36 GMT
#2098
On August 15 2009 08:04 Raidy wrote:
I swear that people will call anything other than 12 hatch into 3 hatch mutalisks cheese nowadays. Didn't you guys expect this at some point? Starcraft builds are getting greedier and greedier every season; there has to be some way for a Zerg player to keep Terran players real.


Actually, Zergs have been sacrificing Econ for Aggressive Play (3 hatch to 2 hatch) in ZvT, Protoss has been relatively static in terms of opening....1 gate core has been common for a while now in PvT, its only Terrans in TvZ that has started using greedy builds because they can wall-in at Nat/choke and have this convienient ability called repair that lets them protect their wall with almost little to zero units while other races WILL get punished if enemy attacks them when they're playing greedy
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 14 2009 23:42 GMT
#2099
On August 15 2009 06:30 Foucault wrote:
How are all games crazy good?

Jaedong fucking cheesed the last 2 games, and I respect him even less now. I mean c'mon 4 pool and next game all in lings again and Fantasy made some weird wall and Jaedong got very lucky.

At least Jaedong knows how to be lame, whereas Fantasy probably would have won if the last games were straight up.

And yeah I'm kinda speaking in rage but still I think the last games were very lame.


Typical ignorant T player. First off, T has the most cheesing capability out of any race, while Z has the least. Secondly, 9 pool speed is NOT cheese whatsoever. It's Fantasy's fault for building a shitty wall. JD just decided to go all-in and continue pumping Lings because he saw a window of opportunity. Thirdly, Fantasy cheesed his TWICE in the finals.

Besides that, I think this proves that JD is definitely out of the slump he was going in to. You're blind if you didn't see the pure rage in his eyes - it looked like he was about ready to tear Fantasy's head off. He's back, he's pissed, and there is NO WAY that Yarnc is winning this final. With JD back and ready for vengeance, and the fact that this is the only thing he's practicing for, Yarnc should just huddle in a corner and cry in the fetal position and hope it ends quickly.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-14 23:53:44
August 14 2009 23:53 GMT
#2100
On August 15 2009 08:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2009 06:30 Foucault wrote:
How are all games crazy good?

Jaedong fucking cheesed the last 2 games, and I respect him even less now. I mean c'mon 4 pool and next game all in lings again and Fantasy made some weird wall and Jaedong got very lucky.

At least Jaedong knows how to be lame, whereas Fantasy probably would have won if the last games were straight up.

And yeah I'm kinda speaking in rage but still I think the last games were very lame.


Typical ignorant T player. First off, T has the most cheesing capability out of any race, while Z has the least. Secondly, 9 pool speed is NOT cheese whatsoever. It's Fantasy's fault for building a shitty wall. JD just decided to go all-in and continue pumping Lings because he saw a window of opportunity. Thirdly, Fantasy cheesed his TWICE in the finals.

Besides that, I think this proves that JD is definitely out of the slump he was going in to. You're blind if you didn't see the pure rage in his eyes - it looked like he was about ready to tear Fantasy's head off. He's back, he's pissed, and there is NO WAY that Yarnc is winning this final. With JD back and ready for vengeance, and the fact that this is the only thing he's practicing for, Yarnc should just huddle in a corner and cry in the fetal position and hope it ends quickly.


People also used that "JD will destroy everyone because he's angry" crap on the MSL semis, and look how that turned out. Yarnc's zvz is still one of the best in the world, he has a decent shot of winning.

edit: rofl so many people on this thread getting banned

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