Highlander QF/SF thread - Page 12

On August 09 2009 23:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:
i think the biggest mistake inc made was to invite idra in the first place

seriously, in the past year, has idra lost against foreigners in any tournament without acting like a ridiculous 9 year old even once? I realize there was a thread dedicated to whether idra should be allowed to keep playing in nonkorean tourneys because he is "professional" recently but man
I think that thread missed the point entirely
I think idra shouldnt be allowed to play in any nonkorean tournaments because he is actually the least professional player out there. pretty much every single sport out there requires competitors to respect the referees - in football it's pretty fucking common for players to be yellow carded for disrespecting the referee, and idra sure as hell wouldve been considered guilty of this.. on several occasions actually.

that being said, inc also acted extremely unprofessional and his conduct sure as hell wasn't proper for a tourney moderator.. but I'm actually left with the impression that he is more aware of this than idra, although they both seem to think what they did wasn't "wrong" and just part of their personalities or whatever.
it is incs tourney tho so whatever, but it doesn't look good. ;p

On August 10 2009 02:26 lakrismamma wrote:


How come that everytime liquid drone write something, it just seems to make sence?

On August 10 2009 04:15 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
that is your definition of flipping out?

Fuck you faggot

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On August 10 2009 04:15 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
that is your definition of flipping out?

Fuck you faggot

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1. Any abuse/cheating will be banned / removed asap.
2. This is a chinese free tourney. Sorry. The lag issues is simply too much for me, an amateur organizer to deal with.
3. Disconnects will be a regame unless one player is clearly winning. All cases will be handled by an admin if both players cannot agree.
4. Maps can be played only once per series unless both players agree to replay a map.
5. All replays must be saved and sent to Plexa/Me after each round. Any round without replays is subject to replay/forfeit by player without replays.
6. Allied mines/etc all not allowed.. standard rules.
7. Plexa and I are God.. whatever we say sticks and we reserve the right to make a binding decision on the fly. We have you, the players, best intentions in mind.. please just trust us to run a smooth tourney! (or die trying)

On August 10 2009 04:37 psion0011 wrote:
He was being ironic and quoting idra.

Anyways I don't see how rule 7 doesn't apply, it's pretty much open and shut. The whole tournament is based on personal feelings anyways - idra is allowed to play while other progamers aren't. If you're yelling at him to be "professional" that boat has long sailed.

But it's entertaining to watch this drama. Nobody expected a clean tourney.

On August 10 2009 04:23 Hot_Bid wrote:

When an Admin makes it personal with a player, then comes on the forum and posts several pages of text arguing with a specific player, then when someone (me) disagrees with your decision, you yell "fuck you faggot" at them, yes, yes I'd say that's flipping out.

Btw have I been anything but supportive of this tourney? Have I disrespected you in any way other than simply disagreeing with your decision and stating why? Haven't we talked quite a bit about running this and set goals and been one happy family when talking about this? Do you really think I deserve the "fuck you faggot" kind of rant you just wrote? Really?

Tbh you value this sort of "respect" far too much. "He disrespected me, people are watching, the community is watching, I can't let this stand." Please. Ultimately, your actions and words are what people are going to judge you on, not whether you let some BM kid say "fuck you" without retribution. E-respect and e-status and e-hierarchy really isn't as important as you make it out to be. So what if he was a little short with you when telling you to leave? Is it really so hard to just leave? Just like now, you say "fuck you faggot" to me, you really expect me to power trip and ban you or something? Come on.

On August 10 2009 04:07 Hot_Bid wrote:
I understand that this is Inc's tourney but it doesn't mean he has the right to do whatever he wants. There are still standards to be met and had TL known the shit was going to go down like this we would've never let it be front-paged.

An Admin should never be threatening a player with DQs and bans in the middle of a game. If he's a dick to you, fine. I understand Idra has a history of being BM (why did you invite him in the first place?) but the comment "k get out" clearly doesn't rise to the level of "extreme BM" that warranted what Inc said to Idra in that chat log. Players say there is lag. Admin leaves. It's not really that hard. There's no need for the rest of that conversation to take place, just swallow the pride and ego and JLIG (yes thats the first time I've ever used that).

Also, an Admin should never say that his decision on whether a game counts or not is influenced largely by "someone being a dick." I couldn't believe what I was reading when the TL Front Page said "if Idra had been nicer, game would've been replayed." Seriously?? Players and games should decide who advances, not the tone of a statement when someone asks you to leave. The fact that Idra could have advanced if he had said "please oh great Incontrol, may we have the honor of playing without you in this game" is ridiculous. Wins and losses should decide who advances, not manner.

Again, I am in no way justifying Idra's actions because he acted like a dick and was BM to Inc... but come on. What did you expect? As the admin its your job to act mature, professional, and not flip out at people. It's to let the players decide who advances through wins and losses. It's not to make things personal and take offense to stuff that frustrated players say. Admins should be above that.