Why do you even defend yourself. You looked like less of an idiot before hand and now you look like a total idiot.

I mean seriously, its less characters to jsut type "lag" then "get out". I am sure if you would have said "lag", iNcontrol would have agreed and left.
"get out" is something you say when you feel you are superior to the person you are talking to.... and in this case, the admin of the tourny is not the person you say "get out" to.
Now look at you, lost in a amateur tourny as a pro-gamer and look like a total dipshit, BONUS POINTS!

Sinedd

Poland7052 Posts

August 09 2009 10:26 GMT

#204

White-Ra ftw !!!!

so when the final is going to be streamed ??? or it already was streamed ???

man im so confused T_T

foeffa

Belgium2115 Posts

August 09 2009 10:34 GMT

#205

While I love some good drama this is just stupid. I'm not gonna talk about the scheduling issues and whatnot that predated this, but you invited Idra, you know what comes with the territory, especially since you're friends. While the issue of Idra throwing a tantrum over losing to ling all-ins is debatable, it was clear on the stream from your chat with Lz that you found it hilarious if Idra would lose just because you knew drama was gonna ensue, you two were laughing about that scenario quite a while in advance. Then you provoke him some more, when you know he's on the edge of going berserk, no wonder he throws a hissyfit. There's nothing more frustrating than losing to a guy that's less skilled (and in your opinion plays like a fucking retard) and getting taunted and baited into becoming even more enraged afterwards. As an admin that is not done.

I think Idra went overboard with his insults, but this was to be expected given what happened. Props to you for being a friend and not really taking it personally and putting it in perspective. I've seen you defend him multiple times over here against the retards that kept insulting Idra just to jump on the bandwagon.

Me personally, I know I threw tantrums like that as well when I played Quake 3 on a high level, practising for hours every day and sometimes stupidly losing, insulting my best friend (guess it's just a way to vent your anger, when the one you blame for your loss is really yourself, but cussing at yourself doesn't constitute a real outlet), whom I had just played, like there was no tomorrow and in the end I realized I was happy to have a guy who put up with all my shit. So I can relate, nice of you to be one of those guys, regardless of your actions in this matter.

stroggos

New Zealand1543 Posts

August 09 2009 10:41 GMT

#206

shouldn't you guys have just paused the game and resolved the lag issue before resuming? you both are in the wrong now, but only one deserves an apology imo.

Anyway, i agree with rekrul, Incontrol can bench press 9 IdrA's

7mk

Germany10157 Posts

August 09 2009 10:46 GMT

#207

On August 09 2009 15:24 tRi[T]oN wrote:
No that isnt it at all. Either do good commentary or just stfu and dont bother, other wise it just sounds retarded and like you dont know wtf is going on in game.

Fuck you man, lz rocks and he'd stomp your noobie ass to the ground

foeffa

Belgium2115 Posts

August 09 2009 11:24 GMT

#208

On August 09 2009 15:18 tRi[T]oN wrote:
Please find someone else to cast the games, whoever is doing the commentary for these is one of the worst i have ever heard, same thing with whoever is controlling the obs. PLZ fix for future games. thnx

Well deserved ban, gtfo. Lz's impromptu commentary was funny, supplied strategic insight and I lol'ed quite a few times during the games, probably has something to do with the very laid-back style he has, à la "*player does something stupid or suboptimal* Well, that just makes me sad ...".

Elementy

United States183 Posts

August 09 2009 11:46 GMT

#209

this tourney .. and the games .. and the drama.. i love it all.. but Brat_OK WTF man come on... cant deal with reavers T_T

Senx

Sweden5901 Posts

August 09 2009 13:00 GMT

#210

I dont really know who to to believe, but if incontrol was still in the game ( making it lag ), talking to idra WHILE he was being rushed by zerglings. That doesn't seem like a very professional or mature thing to do from a head admin. To me a re-game would seem in order..

But i guess this is just all about 2 people with built up aggrevation towards eachother, lashing it out on eachother and acting unprofessional beacuse of their history, rather than focusinging on a fair and well run tournament. Ban him out of the tournament if he's going to be a dick, incontrol, don't stay in the game and mess with him.

It feels like if it was another player that lagged, you would have reacted/acted differently, beacuse regardless of BM, if you make a promise to leave the game if it lags, you should, without affecting the outgame of the current game.

There needs to be distict RULES,
if a player is BM - ban him or warn him then ban him.
if a game is fucked up beacuse of lag/distractions etc - play it again.

Now nothing happend other than a few threads on TL.net.. wru clear and distinct rules.

KillForce

Sweden36 Posts

August 09 2009 13:57 GMT

#211

On August 09 2009 20:24 foeffa wrote:

Show nested quote +

agreed, he was actually a great caster, thanks lz

JohnBall

Brazil1272 Posts

August 09 2009 14:04 GMT

#212

Oh man, I just watched the replays. Here is Dinot's strategy to defeating the best foreign player: make lings.
Gee.
Now I understand why Idra was so angry. Losing to mass lings must really hurt. Ling power baby.

Kage

India788 Posts

August 09 2009 14:13 GMT

#213

haha Rekrul owns man.

I agree with the person who said idrA should have said "lag please leave" instead of "k get out". That was just bad manner and irrespective of which Korean team takes him in, this is not the right attitude, especially since Koreans are such mannered people, you can learn not just the skills but the culture too.

I think incontrol could have also let this pass by knowing idra to have no manners and instead have this fight outside but man that would have ruined the tournament. Anyway, end of the day I see idrA lost chance of beta key, 1k dollars (being favourite) and a friendship with incontrol TT.

Mongery

892 Posts

August 09 2009 14:36 GMT

#214

Idras comment to Dinot after second game was so epic, i laughed so much that i fell off chair.
Those are the moments that you'll never forget.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28581 Posts

August 09 2009 14:55 GMT

#215

i think the biggest mistake inc made was to invite idra in the first place

seriously, in the past year, has idra lost against foreigners in any tournament without acting like a ridiculous 9 year old even once? I realize there was a thread dedicated to whether idra should be allowed to keep playing in nonkorean tourneys because he is "professional" recently but man
I think that thread missed the point entirely
I think idra shouldnt be allowed to play in any nonkorean tournaments because he is actually the least professional player out there. pretty much every single sport out there requires competitors to respect the referees - in football it's pretty fucking common for players to be yellow carded for disrespecting the referee, and idra sure as hell wouldve been considered guilty of this.. on several occasions actually.

that being said, inc also acted extremely unprofessional and his conduct sure as hell wasn't proper for a tourney moderator.. but I'm actually left with the impression that he is more aware of this than idra, although they both seem to think what they did wasn't "wrong" and just part of their personalities or whatever.
it is incs tourney tho so whatever, but it doesn't look good. ;p