Highlander QF/SF thread

On August 09 2009 01:15 Alur wrote:
Idra taking a 1:0 lead over Xiaozi with a 4rax sunk bust timing.

On August 09 2009 01:44 GoSu wrote:
What is the current score please ? If some knows, just a spoiler it's ok.

On August 09 2009 01:47 Alur wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Edit: Beat me to it, my spoiler has report though! =)

On August 09 2009 03:44 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
idra is a whiney bitch. He wants me to host a 32 man tourney on korea time for him? So the 31 other players can play at a bad hour?

SORRY GREG

I know the pro life in korea has its disadvantages .. winning all our euro tourneys must be hard on you and all but I guess.. lings are tough to counter eh? rofllflf

On August 09 2009 03:52 Toolshed wrote:
So, dinot won vs idra?

On August 09 2009 04:31 blabber wrote:

I believe we'll be casting replays due to lag from streaming live

On August 09 2009 04:30 Sadistx wrote:
Goddamn, IDRA VODS OR REPS PLZ.

On August 09 2009 04:51 naonao wrote:

They already casted the reps

On August 09 2009 05:05 JohnBall wrote:
What happened on the the 5th match of Idra vs Dinot?

On August 09 2009 05:10 Yaqoob wrote:

DinoT got 6 lings (with speed or speed coming) and lings reinforcing and Idra went 1 rax at his choke and dino mined out of the minerals with a drone and I think Idra left the game right after that.

On August 09 2009 05:17 Nokeboy wrote:

... This kid is never going to make it in Korea, just wasting everyones time.

He will do nothing but make his team look bad by getting smashed and being bad mannered about it

On August 09 2009 06:01 Yaqoob wrote:
It was kinda gay that he lost on a map (Tau Cross) that wasn't even in the map pool to begin with.

On August 09 2009 06:04 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:
Will you guys release replays? I hope so because I missed some of the games, plus Idra/Dinot didn't get streamed.

On August 09 2009 06:09 Klogon wrote:
Can you imagine the firestorm that would arise if a Korean pro acted in a similar manner to Idra just did? I can't imagine his boss would be happy if he found out. Bad publicity.

On August 09 2009 06:26 Nokeboy wrote:
I wasn't questioning his career.

On August 09 2009 06:51 motbob wrote:

LOL yeah you were. But you make good points. Cheese isn't "bad" if it gives you a better chance to win. A win isn't inherently better if it comes from a long macro game than if it comes from a quick cheese.+ Show Spoiler +

On August 09 2009 06:20 TerraIncognita wrote:
I'm fed up with this BM shit EVERY TIME he's playing some foreigner tounament. I mean, he want to be a real pro-gamer, train hard and everything. So imho he has to act fair and friendly anytime he's playing. His behavior is just that: unprofessional.

Maybe ban him for some high-priced tournaments so he has some time to cool down and become more relaxed?

Just my opinion about this enduring embarassement.

On August 09 2009 07:53 PokePill wrote:


Hell no? I'm sure many of us watch the foreigner tournaments just to see him lose. I know I don't speak for the majority probably but I think a good chunk of us are interested just to see the nerd fall on his face to amateurs despite practicing 12 hours a day and devoting his life to the game.

On August 09 2009 07:48 Nokeboy wrote:

A lot of the top players are known for being uncheeseable... if you BM every time you are cheesed you will be going nowhere.

On August 09 2009 06:21 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:
I think Idra has a distorted view of what a good player is. A good player is able to exploit his opponents' weaknesses. Idra can't expect people who practice less than him to simply out macro him, out multi-task him. He can't expect 3 hatch mutas into lurkers every game. It seems like every time someone plays a little different to what he sees everyday in his training, it's "CHEESE." I just don't understand it. Cheese is a meaningless word, since everyone has their own definition of what it is. Idra needs to stop blaming his opponents for his losses and find out what HE needs to change to win.

On August 09 2009 07:55 foeffa wrote:


Talk about having a sad life, investing time just to see someone fail. You must be an unhappy person. :|

On August 09 2009 09:07 EscPlan9 wrote:
I totally agree Idra would likely benefit a lot from more positivity in his life. His nerd rage is unsurpassable. Get a gf, get laid, have some good friends, have fun with life, etc. and he won't have as much nerd rage.

On August 09 2009 10:03 radar14 wrote:
You guys who looooove playing amateur psychologist and life coach must be a real hoot irl

On August 09 2009 10:06 EscPlan9 wrote:


Cuz clearly saying Idra would benefit from more positivity implies we "love playing amateur psychologist / life coach". Nice leap in logic there.

On August 09 2009 10:06 EscPlan9 wrote:


Cuz clearly saying Idra would benefit from more positivity implies we "love playing amateur psychologist / life coach". Nice leap in logic there.

On August 09 2009 07:55 foeffa wrote:


Talk about having a sad life, investing time just to see someone fail. You must be an unhappy person. :|

On August 09 2009 03:44 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
idra is a whiney bitch. He wants me to host a 32 man tourney on korea time for him? So the 31 other players can play at a bad hour?

SORRY GREG

I know the pro life in korea has its disadvantages .. winning all our euro tourneys must be hard on you and all but I guess.. lings are tough to counter eh? rofllflf

On August 09 2009 12:01 IdrA wrote:

ya it makes perfect sense that you disallow any reschedules when matches are 2 fucking weeks apart and then sit there in a laggy game taunting me and threatening to ban me from the tournament for telling you to leave when you promised to leave if theres any lag at all

get off your high horse you piece of shit.

On August 09 2009 12:01 IdrA wrote:

ya it makes perfect sense that you disallow any reschedules when matches are 2 fucking weeks apart and then sit there in a laggy game taunting me and threatening to ban me from the tournament for telling you to leave when you promised to leave if theres any lag at all

get off your high horse you piece of shit.

On August 09 2009 12:35 motbob wrote:
uhhhh ok here's what happened.

FIrst Idra told incontrol he was a terrible admin. Incontrol said "I'll be a more terrible admin, just watch" or something like that. They argued about Incontrol leaving because of lag, and eventually Idra just said "fuck you" and dropped the subject. After a minute Incontrol said "OK I do lag ^_^" and left. He then proceeded to laugh at Idra on the stream after the game saying "somehow Idra lost his bunker to Dinot's slowlings" although on the replay you can see that Dinot made approx one million lings after Idra's scout died.

So Incontrol was not 100% professional. But Idra deserved it because he was being an ass in the first place and any BM Incontrol was having was far outshadowed by Idra's BM.

On an unrelated note, I didn't know it was possible to mass that many zerglings lol

On August 09 2009 12:36 IdrA wrote:

dont talk when you dont know what happened
he promised to leave if there was any lag before the game
it lagged
i told him to get out
the conversation ensued where he told me i shouldnt be pissing off the person who awards wins and losses, among other things

On August 09 2009 12:57 IdrA wrote:
you said that i first told inc he was a terrible admin, which wasnt true, i first told him to leave and then he was all bitchy prompting me to call him a terrible admin. and you entirely left out the threats and taunts, so im not really sure why you're still talking.

On August 09 2009 12:57 IdrA wrote:
you said that i first told inc he was a terrible admin, which wasnt true, i first told him to leave and then he was all bitchy prompting me to call him a terrible admin. and you entirely left out the threats and taunts, so im not really sure why you're still talking.

On August 09 2009 14:07 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
idrajit says:
what the fuck is wrong with you you piece of shit

Latest IdrA MSN

Lemme clear this up:

IdrA has been bitching this entire tourney. That isn't any kind of news flash. He is a whiney lil faggot who has never socialized so when things don't go his way he doesn't know how to handle it and lashes out at people that are close to him because they will actually tolerate it and be back the next day.

Vs Dimaga IdrA did his usual bitching about the hour. Then he cried cause he was sick and had to play the match anyways.. after the loss he said something to the effect of "fuck you" to anyone that would listen. After he won he was cordial.. the cycle repeats itself. Had he behaved this way in ESL or any other tourney where he doesn't have a relationship with the admin he'd be penalized if not w/o'd. He certainly will not get anything "good" for acting this way.

Speed up to today where IdrA is 100% cordial and fine beside a few bitchy comments that 18 CET is a bad time and he should be allowed to reschedule (because korean time doesn't mesh well with america/europe.. we should all bend over backwards for the mighty IdrA) which isn't a big deal.. if he wasn't being a lil whiney bitch I'd suspect someone was playing on his ID. After he 3-0's Xiaozi he begins playing Dinot. Game 1 dinot wins with a ling advantage and IdrA complains about lag after the loss. This is amazing cause lag is worse for zerg ESPECIALLY 2 hatch muta zerg. He will contest this only to argue but that is laughable in and of itself. So he says in the channel "no obs" which is hilarious cause it isn't like he can make any decision.. he didn't even ask.. let alone nicely/politely or ANYTHING people that want something do. So I join his game, he bans me. I tell dinot "out" we go to channel. I explain that I am obsing and I am admin of this tourney.. he throws a few "fuck yous" and eventually realizes its his 1k$ to lose not mine so we go into the game. He waits like 10 seconds then says "get out." It did lag and I said I would get out so I should have by all rights.. but he was being a fag and I have a ego.. especially when this is MY tourney and I prompted it with a rule stating that any general bm or being a dick will be met with equal attitude (check it for yourself). So I say something like "wait" or w/e and he calls me a bad admin. So I tell him I will stay to continue my streak of being a bad admin. He says fuck you a bunch and doesn't vision. I tell him he needs to manner up to the guy who runs the tourney and he gives vision with a "fuck you." After that dinot starts making lings and IdrA like the moron robot he is doesn't do anything to counter what was already coming.. so I left the game as to not impact it with any lag. I left before any kind of battle happened and there was no lag so that is that.

In the channel IdrA bitches, curses and lashes out some more. They go away and play more games. After each win IdrA is cordial, nice and happy to host the rep/map etc. After each loss he gets more and more bitchy. Eventually he loses cause he is a fucking moron who didn't catch on to the most basic unit in the zerg army and MSN's me that convo I posted.

I have absolutely NO problem shit talking IdrA. He has been doing it to me, the community and anyone that has been unfortunate to listen to the putrid bile he spouts that passes for words. He was invited because he sometimes is a fantastic player. Despite his faggotry he raises the level of the tourney .. when they don't make zerglings.

That being said IdrA will argue this post into the ground and complain some grave misjustice was done to him. Unfortunately the reps all have chat, the users (600 or so) listened to the stream and everyone knows IdrA's tendency.. this is not something I made up or contrived. IdrA is literally this big of a dumbass.

Also IdrA feel free to vent as much as you like.. but remember I will be seeing you at Blizzcon and USA finals. No this isn't a physical threat. Just a reminder we are friends.. and it'd be really shitty to make things awkward or w/e because you had one of your typical tantrums but it just so happened to be during MY tourney.

On August 09 2009 14:44 IdrA wrote:
i told you it would lag
you said youd leave if it lagged
it lagged
i told you to leave
you wouldnt
i called you a bad admin
you threaten me 3 times and go on a power trip about hosting a money tournament with someone elses money
i say fuck you
you wait 30 seconds and say 'ok it does lag ^_^' and leave
all this while im being ling allined

ya. you got the moral high ground on this one for sure.

On August 09 2009 14:54 {88}iNcontroL wrote:



uhhh this isn't how it went down at all. And this is completely void of the previous "game" where you ban me, make demands about obs and say "get out" instead of "ok please leave" or _anything_ remotely polite. I was LEAVING btw and you kept going on and on about shit.. your recap doesn't actually describe what happened at all. I literally said "ok dinot save the reps" and you said some other dumb ass thing so I was like "alright, I'm sticking around to be a bad admin."

On August 09 2009 15:18 tRi[T]oN wrote:
Please find someone else to cast the games, whoever is doing the commentary for these is one of the worst i have ever heard, same thing with whoever is controlling the obs. PLZ fix for future games. thnx

On August 09 2009 15:23 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:


Awww. LzGamer was called up as a backup. He never wanted to do it in the first place. Don't be mean.

On August 09 2009 15:17 Rekrul wrote:
idra leaked some of his [Savior] reps

On August 09 2009 15:34 IdrA wrote:
so i had no right to be upset that you threatened to kick me from the tournament 3 times while refusing to leave a laggy game that i was playing in?

On August 09 2009 15:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote:


I threatened to kick you AFTER you were being a total dick to me and I "refused to leave" after you were rude, and followed it up with being more rude. I eventually left (your problem) but you continued to be a dick.

Seems the issue lies with the guy who nerdraged on MSN, in the channel and in the games. Not with the admin who got mouthed off to and responded in kind.

On August 09 2009 15:40 IdrA wrote:

you threatened to kick me after i wouldnt give you vision. and 20 seconds after i did give you vision you left the game. it was nothing but a power trip. "lolol lets show the little nerd whos boss"
so ya. that pissed me off a bit.

On August 09 2009 15:34 IdrA wrote:
so i had no right to be upset that you threatened to kick me from the tournament 3 times while refusing to leave a laggy game that i was playing in?

On August 09 2009 15:44 Rekrul wrote:


correct

On August 09 2009 15:49 Rekrul wrote:
wtf idra

screw the fact that he awards wins and losses

he can bench press 9 of you WTF

On August 09 2009 15:49 IdrA wrote:
lol
so if i had just implied that i thought you were a bad admin without actually saying it, that would be ok?

'dont make this bad' 'dont make me be like iccup admins' 'dont piss off the guy who awards wins and losses'

On August 09 2009 15:49 Rekrul wrote:
wtf idra

screw the fact that he awards wins and losses

he can bench press 9 of you WTF

On August 09 2009 15:49 IdrA wrote:

the joys of keyboard warrioring

On August 09 2009 15:24 tRi[T]oN wrote:
No that isnt it at all. Either do good commentary or just stfu and dont bother, other wise it just sounds retarded and like you dont know wtf is going on in game.

On August 09 2009 16:08 Rekrul wrote:
he loses to foreign zergs still

the only place he's living a dream...is in his dreams!

LoL!

On August 09 2009 16:08 Rekrul wrote:
he loses to foreign zergs still

the only place he's living a dream...is in his dreams!

LoL!

On August 09 2009 17:04 Jibba wrote:
I gotta side with IdrA on this particular fight. No, he doesn't take losses well but none of the USA players do. Even if someone's a dick, powertripping admins are the fucking worst in any competition, and his requests that game were pretty reasonable. "you lag. you should leave." How much more polite are you expecting from IdrA? Are you going to give him a lesson on being cordial during the match? I know what you put in your rules, but still just follow the protocol and don't antagonize someone in the middle of a game.

What I don't get is why SC players rage so much harder than other kinds of gamers, especially when there's less at stake. Maybe cause there's so few lan opportunities, so online means a lot more?

On August 09 2009 16:45 Rekrul wrote:
fuk e-thuggin

i'm the e-police

On August 09 2009 17:08 Ftrunkz wrote:

His requests were reasonable, but givin his actions throughout the tournament and the way he went about giving those requests... hell he didnt even give requests, he basically demanded. ("No obs" - it's not his fucking call to make that decision. Then, when obviously inc didnt agree with straight out no obs, banning inc from the game, he's lucky he didnt just get a walk over against him.) When he's an immature little dick to the admins, he cant expect everyone to just take it AND agree to his 'requests'(demands)

On August 09 2009 17:18 Jibba wrote:

My experience with admins in competitive gaming is that they usually deserve the dick treatment. It's their job to enforce fair play, not inject their personalities which is what 99% of them do. I prefer to get them reported, but obviously IdrA doesn't have that recourse.

We're basically talking about the difference between "no obs" and "no obs plz." That's absurd. People read emotion into his typed messages way too much. I'm not saying he wasn't a dick, but 1) it's somewhat justified and 2) you're all dicks when you lose.

On August 09 2009 16:14 mcgriddle wrote:
wow now i see why idra is bm. People are totally dicks to him.

"yea ill leave if it lags"

"k get out"

"ah ah ah . . . you didnt say the magic word"

On August 09 2009 15:24 tRi[T]oN wrote:
No that isnt it at all. Either do good commentary or just stfu and dont bother, other wise it just sounds retarded and like you dont know wtf is going on in game.

On August 09 2009 15:18 tRi[T]oN wrote:
Please find someone else to cast the games, whoever is doing the commentary for these is one of the worst i have ever heard, same thing with whoever is controlling the obs. PLZ fix for future games. thnx

On August 09 2009 20:24 foeffa wrote:


Well deserved ban, gtfo. Lz's impromptu commentary was funny, supplied strategic insight and I lol'ed quite a few times during the games, probably has something to do with the very laid-back style he has, à la "*player does something stupid or suboptimal* Well, that just makes me sad ...".

On August 10 2009 00:09 Future)Breeze wrote:
date of finals plz ; /

On August 09 2009 06:01 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
finals 18 or 21 cet this saturday most likely

be there!

On August 09 2009 15:24 tRi[T]oN wrote:
No that isnt it at all. Either do good commentary or just stfu and dont bother, other wise it just sounds retarded and like you dont know wtf is going on in game.

On August 09 2009 23:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:
i think the biggest mistake inc made was to invite idra in the first place

seriously, in the past year, has idra lost against foreigners in any tournament without acting like a ridiculous 9 year old even once? I realize there was a thread dedicated to whether idra should be allowed to keep playing in nonkorean tourneys because he is "professional" recently but man
I think that thread missed the point entirely
I think idra shouldnt be allowed to play in any nonkorean tournaments because he is actually the least professional player out there. pretty much every single sport out there requires competitors to respect the referees - in football it's pretty fucking common for players to be yellow carded for disrespecting the referee, and idra sure as hell wouldve been considered guilty of this.. on several occasions actually.

that being said, inc also acted extremely unprofessional and his conduct sure as hell wasn't proper for a tourney moderator.. but I'm actually left with the impression that he is more aware of this than idra, although they both seem to think what they did wasn't "wrong" and just part of their personalities or whatever.
it is incs tourney tho so whatever, but it doesn't look good. ;p

On August 10 2009 02:26 lakrismamma wrote:


How come that everytime liquid drone write something, it just seems to make sence?

On August 10 2009 04:15 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
that is your definition of flipping out?

Fuck you faggot

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 10 2009 04:15 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
that is your definition of flipping out?

Fuck you faggot

+ Show Spoiler +

1. Any abuse/cheating will be banned / removed asap.
2. This is a chinese free tourney. Sorry. The lag issues is simply too much for me, an amateur organizer to deal with.
3. Disconnects will be a regame unless one player is clearly winning. All cases will be handled by an admin if both players cannot agree.
4. Maps can be played only once per series unless both players agree to replay a map.
5. All replays must be saved and sent to Plexa/Me after each round. Any round without replays is subject to replay/forfeit by player without replays.
6. Allied mines/etc all not allowed.. standard rules.
7. Plexa and I are God.. whatever we say sticks and we reserve the right to make a binding decision on the fly. We have you, the players, best intentions in mind.. please just trust us to run a smooth tourney! (or die trying)

On August 10 2009 04:37 psion0011 wrote:
He was being ironic and quoting idra.

Anyways I don't see how rule 7 doesn't apply, it's pretty much open and shut. The whole tournament is based on personal feelings anyways - idra is allowed to play while other progamers aren't. If you're yelling at him to be "professional" that boat has long sailed.

But it's entertaining to watch this drama. Nobody expected a clean tourney.

On August 10 2009 04:23 Hot_Bid wrote:

When an Admin makes it personal with a player, then comes on the forum and posts several pages of text arguing with a specific player, then when someone (me) disagrees with your decision, you yell "fuck you faggot" at them, yes, yes I'd say that's flipping out.

Btw have I been anything but supportive of this tourney? Have I disrespected you in any way other than simply disagreeing with your decision and stating why? Haven't we talked quite a bit about running this and set goals and been one happy family when talking about this? Do you really think I deserve the "fuck you faggot" kind of rant you just wrote? Really?

Tbh you value this sort of "respect" far too much. "He disrespected me, people are watching, the community is watching, I can't let this stand." Please. Ultimately, your actions and words are what people are going to judge you on, not whether you let some BM kid say "fuck you" without retribution. E-respect and e-status and e-hierarchy really isn't as important as you make it out to be. So what if he was a little short with you when telling you to leave? Is it really so hard to just leave? Just like now, you say "fuck you faggot" to me, you really expect me to power trip and ban you or something? Come on.

On August 10 2009 04:07 Hot_Bid wrote:
I understand that this is Inc's tourney but it doesn't mean he has the right to do whatever he wants. There are still standards to be met and had TL known the shit was going to go down like this we would've never let it be front-paged.

An Admin should never be threatening a player with DQs and bans in the middle of a game. If he's a dick to you, fine. I understand Idra has a history of being BM (why did you invite him in the first place?) but the comment "k get out" clearly doesn't rise to the level of "extreme BM" that warranted what Inc said to Idra in that chat log. Players say there is lag. Admin leaves. It's not really that hard. There's no need for the rest of that conversation to take place, just swallow the pride and ego and JLIG (yes thats the first time I've ever used that).

Also, an Admin should never say that his decision on whether a game counts or not is influenced largely by "someone being a dick." I couldn't believe what I was reading when the TL Front Page said "if Idra had been nicer, game would've been replayed." Seriously?? Players and games should decide who advances, not the tone of a statement when someone asks you to leave. The fact that Idra could have advanced if he had said "please oh great Incontrol, may we have the honor of playing without you in this game" is ridiculous. Wins and losses should decide who advances, not manner.

Again, I am in no way justifying Idra's actions because he acted like a dick and was BM to Inc... but come on. What did you expect? As the admin its your job to act mature, professional, and not flip out at people. It's to let the players decide who advances through wins and losses. It's not to make things personal and take offense to stuff that frustrated players say. Admins should be above that.

On August 10 2009 02:26 lakrismamma wrote:


How come that everytime liquid drone write something, it just seems to make sence?

On August 10 2009 04:07 Hot_Bid wrote:
I understand that this is Inc's tourney but it doesn't mean he has the right to do whatever he wants. There are still standards to be met and had TL known the shit was going to go down like this we would've never let it be front-paged.

An Admin should never be threatening a player with DQs and bans in the middle of a game. If he's a dick to you, fine. I understand Idra has a history of being BM (why did you invite him in the first place?) but the comment "k get out" clearly doesn't rise to the level of "extreme BM" that warranted what Inc said to Idra in that chat log. Players say there is lag. Admin leaves. It's not really that hard. There's no need for the rest of that conversation to take place, just swallow the pride and ego and JLIG (yes thats the first time I've ever used that).

Also, an Admin should never say that his decision on whether a game counts or not is influenced largely by "someone being a dick." I couldn't believe what I was reading when the TL Front Page said "if Idra had been nicer, game would've been replayed." Seriously?? Players and games should decide who advances, not the tone of a statement when someone asks you to leave. The fact that Idra could have advanced if he had said "please oh great Incontrol, may we have the honor of playing without you in this game" is ridiculous. Wins and losses should decide who advances, not manner.

Again, I am in no way justifying Idra's actions because he acted like a dick and was BM to Inc... but come on. What did you expect? As the admin its your job to act mature, professional, and not flip out at people. It's to let the players decide who advances through wins and losses. It's not to make things personal and take offense to stuff that frustrated players say. Admins should be above that.

On August 09 2009 17:59 stafu wrote:


LOL, you seriously believe that's why he's bm? Hilarious.

On August 10 2009 05:54 Twisted wrote:
Don´t see how ´get out´ is in any way harder to write than ´ok please leave it lags´.

Fucking tantrums and that kid just doesn´t get it.

On August 10 2009 05:47 mahnini wrote:
i don't see how anyone can read the chat log and think idra was out of line in this situation. his requests may have been coarse but justified (not in their coarseness of course)! hosting a tournament doesn't give a person the right to provoke, antagonize, and disturb a player while he is in the middle of a game. i'm sure by now they both realize they were both share part of the blame.

cmon man, hes in a game actively playing.

On August 10 2009 05:47 mahnini wrote:
hosting a tournament doesn't give a person the right to

On August 10 2009 06:14 psion0011 wrote:

Hahaha what are the hell are you talking about, he has the right to do whatever he wants, it's his tournament.

On August 10 2009 06:17 mahnini wrote:

it's his tournament insofar as making pivotal decisions and establishing rules go. simply because it is his tournament doesnt mean he can do whatever he wants with no repercussion. thinking in this manner is detrimental to himself, the players, and the community.