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On August 10 2009 06:19 psion0011 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2009 06:17 mahnini wrote:On August 10 2009 06:14 psion0011 wrote:On August 10 2009 05:47 mahnini wrote: hosting a tournament doesn't give a person the right to Hahaha what are the hell are you talking about, he has the right to do whatever he wants, it's his tournament. it's his tournament insofar as making pivotal decisions and establishing rules go. simply because it is his tournament doesnt mean he can do whatever he wants with no repercussion. thinking in this manner is detrimental to himself, the players, and the community. Sure he can, and he did. I find it funny we're having this conversation on a forum whose #1 rule is "THIS IS OUR HOUSE WE DO WHAT WE WANT". if you truly think that this is how TL staff runs this site, you are sorely mistaken.
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United States42191 Posts
It's not hard to say "pp" and then ask someone to leave. End of the day you get what you deserve. If you treat people badly they'll treat you badly. Admittedly "get out" isn't that bad but it's just uncalled for, being an ass to people because you can will make your life harder. In this case it could have cost IdrA a lot of prize money. Incontrol didn't handle the situation in a neutral admin way. But IdrA was acting like a child and it's really stupid to get into power struggles with people who have all the power.
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On August 10 2009 05:06 Klive5ive wrote:What happened was appalling. You don't goad a player mid-game just because of the way he says leave?! You should be ashamed of yourself. Utterly pathetic. yeah, i dont see how showing poor manners just because idra does (and in this case its not even that bad from him) can serve as an excuse... "two wrongs don't make a right"?
if someone doesnt agree with the way he behaves, it should serve as an opportunity to act "manner" and show him how it's done, not do the same thing he does and say "he did it first"... this is not kindergarten is it?
anyway good job to dinot, people whining about ling all ins are just silly, anything goes when you're in the game, i mean if ling all in was fail-safe everyone should be doing it
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On August 10 2009 06:16 Skyze wrote: i see alot of people saying that idra has a right to be mad because inc is acting childish?? WHY DO YOU THINK inc is acting childish in the first place??? Cause Idra probably started it and kept bashing him, when hes the one running the tourney..
If a NFL player calls a referee, or even worse, the commissioner a faggot, he will get ejected from the game. Same goes for every sport. Why is SC any different?
HE STARTED IT is a pretty good defense
in 4th grade
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people are missing the point... whether or not Idra had an excuse to act childish is not what is important. A player acting childish and a tournament admin doing the same are two very different things.
but I do feel Idra did not act over the top IN-GAME. Msn conversations are irrelevant to me.
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On August 10 2009 06:15 Rekrul wrote: screw everyone of you
i just won the internet
bye idra uh oh
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On August 10 2009 06:48 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2009 06:16 Skyze wrote: i see alot of people saying that idra has a right to be mad because inc is acting childish?? WHY DO YOU THINK inc is acting childish in the first place??? Cause Idra probably started it and kept bashing him, when hes the one running the tourney..
If a NFL player calls a referee, or even worse, the commissioner a faggot, he will get ejected from the game. Same goes for every sport. Why is SC any different? HE STARTED IT is a pretty good defense in 4th grade
This event shows that even your friends will get tired of childish behavior, incontrol everytime defends and supports Idra in other events, however when someone continues the spree of being a dick and a bad mannered prick you are entitled to show that person a lesson, Idra lost the opportunity to win money because of his immaturity and lack of respect to other players, he also bad mannered dinot pretty hard in game 3, besides the example of the NFL, Soccer or NBA just to name some sports clearly show that if you bm a referee or an admin you will pay.
Incontrol handled this situation poorly, but in the end what he did was to show Idra he wont be getting away with all his stupidity in foreign tournaments
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If you ask me, Idra should be forced to have a zergling icon for a month. 
Anyway, I've really enjoyed the tour so far and just wish I had gotten a chance to see more of it live. Ra ftw.
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I think this discussion got a bit out of hand. Incontrol and IdrA are both friends and i think you guys should take this on MSN. This case got 2 versions of the hole situation and both doesn't agree with each other.
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They were both unprofessional and childish, but Idra does this on a regular basis, whereas Geoff is usually a pretty chill dude. So Idra deserved it, he never learns.
And instead of complaining that Dinot sucks because he wins with zerglings, maybe Idra should go for a build other than fucking 1 rax expand.
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my experience of incontrol is positive, he seems to be a nice guy, smart and got charisma. "bear teddy boy ;-)"
IdrA i think hes a nice guy to, when you get to know him, and i think hes not "serious" in his behavior at all. And i don't understand why people take everything so deadly serious. Relax and just play the game you enjoy instead of taking out anger on nothing particular.
PS. incontrol bench's all of us together and that's a fact folks. ;-)
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As others have pointed out, you get an instant kick/ban/disqualification for insulting a referee in other sports. And I bet in professional Starcraft this is no different. If you go up to a Kespa Referee and say "fuck you faggot" right in his face, no matter what the reason was, you're being disqualified. Idra should be glad incontrol put up with all that shit at all.
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I hate all the sports analogys. Refs don't talk in a players ear while they're shooting free throws or stand infront of a quarterback while he's dropping back to pass. Why should it be allowed for this "ref" to distract a player while he is in the middle of his game?
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On August 10 2009 09:10 tonight wrote: I hate all the sports analogys. Refs don't talk in a players ear while they're shooting free throws or stand infront of a quarterback while he's dropping back to pass. Why should it be allowed for this "ref" to distract a player while he is in the middle of his game?
You make a very good point.
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United States22883 Posts
On August 10 2009 09:10 tonight wrote: I hate all the sports analogys. Refs don't talk in a players ear while they're shooting free throws or stand infront of a quarterback while he's dropping back to pass. Why should it be allowed for this "ref" to distract a player while he is in the middle of his game? GTFO out of here with your logic.
And Tim Donaghy did deserve to be cussed at.
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On August 10 2009 09:10 tonight wrote: I hate all the sports analogys. Refs don't talk in a players ear while they're shooting free throws or stand infront of a quarterback while he's dropping back to pass. Why should it be allowed for this "ref" to distract a player while he is in the middle of his game? I thought idra started talking first. In which case I'm sure football players are allowed to step over and have a conversation with the ref.
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Glad i didnt tune in, i refuse to watch idra play; doesnt matter how good he is, was or gets, dude is just an ugly angry kind of person. Gl dude may all ur games be laggy. I hope ur scrubbing toilets till the end of time.
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On August 10 2009 07:29 LordWeird wrote:If you ask me, Idra should be forced to have a zergling icon for a month.  Anyway, I've really enjoyed the tour so far and just wish I had gotten a chance to see more of it live. Ra ftw.
I think an ultra is more appropriate since he's made more funny comments about how imbalanced they are.
There are a lot of intelligent and level-headed posts in this thread. One aspect that I think may be being ignored to an extent is the fact that incontrol is always defending idra on the forums for all his BM and trying to help out his image. It must have really irritated him to have Idra be such a dick when he's always defending Idra's actions.
Not saying it excuses what Incontrol did, or Idra did, or anything. I think both parties acted stupidly. But if I were forced to take a side, I'd take inc's. I think that Idra has been put up with for too long. He rants and rages because he has learned that he is never, ever punished for the way he acts. He knows that somehow "professional" has come to mean "ignore everything other than objective results" to the community here (???) which I think is pretty damn stupid. Arguments regarding "professionalism" vacillate ridiculously on this forum. Idra should simply have been banned far earlier from the tournament for being a dick in between games, or not invited.
On August 10 2009 09:10 tonight wrote: I hate all the sports analogys. Refs don't talk in a players ear while they're shooting free throws or stand infront of a quarterback while he's dropping back to pass. Why should it be allowed for this "ref" to distract a player while he is in the middle of his game?
Actually all the people saying you are making a good point are wrong, because if you're admitting that the referee does DQ people for such behavior, there wouldn't actually be any of the waving-in-face analogous behavior because Idra would have then been DQed right then and nothing else would have happened. I think that if we're going to go with that kind of analogy then it's probably kinder to be a dick to him than straight up DQ him instantly for BM, because at least he can ignore the dick behavior (but we know Idra is literally incapable of putting his ego aside) and still try to play.
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Actually all the people saying you are making a good point are wrong, because if you're admitting that the referee does DQ people for such behavior, there wouldn't actually be any of the waving-in-face analogous behavior because Idra would have then been DQed right then and nothing else would have happened. I think that if we're going to go with that kind of analogy then it's probably kinder to be a dick to him than straight up DQ him instantly for BM, because at least he can ignore the dick behavior (but we know Idra is literally incapable of putting his ego aside) and still try to play.
In professional sports, that kind of situation usually doesn't happen because there are rules that dictate how the game should be played if there is a problem with weather (the closest thing to lag?) whereas there is no comparable rule in SC, and the unwritten rule is for obs to leave, which should be a given. By not leaving the game when the lag was apparent iNcontroL was already antagonizing IdrA (providing iNc actually said he would leave if there was lag).
And if such evidence as the screenshots was given in a professional sports game, there would be dire consequences for the ref.
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