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On July 29 2009 20:15 vaMpYr wrote:
i am just wondering why so many people thinks effort is the favourite against jaedong . if tomorrow Bisu plays against violet , who is the favourite ? the last game between violet and Bisu is for me a spetacular humiliation for the poor Bisu . but hes still the favourite and the strongest right ? so u think now effort will win jaedong because he win the last game ? jaedong is REALLY better in zvz than effort and REALLY more experienced . specially for a semi final proleague ( the most important match for a progamer ? ) . now ok effort has a chance to win , its still zvz , its still the most stressed match up and the most "dont know what will happen" match up . but jaedong is still favourite and by far . like it would be with a match Bisu vs violet . even Bisu vs stork , Bisu would be the favourite ( stork 9 8 Bisu ) . im not OZ fan , im jaedong fan . i dont care about OZ winning . i like CJ , i like OZ , im for the two teams . but i prefer teams like STX , hite , samsung or estro . but you must be objective in the results . if you are a CJ fan , u must be objective about the results .
i have 2 possibilities :
lomo > skyhigh
jaedong > effort
hiya > movie
iris > perfectman
backho > snow
OZ 4 1
or
skyhigh > lomo
jaedong > effort
hiya > movie
iris > perfectman
backho > snow
kwanro > killer
jaedong > iris
the biggest mistake of CJ is to take off savior and much . much for snow and savior for kwanro would have been better
Honestly man, you're clueless. You can't compare Effort to Violet because Effort is, without a doubt, the 2nd best Zerg behind JD and has a very good chance to beat him because he's still fantastic at ZvZ. Furthermore, the record between them is even (3-3). Your predictions also show no real hint of "objectivity" because if we got off of what is logical (and not calling random upsets) there's no way in hell Skyhigh is going to lose to Lomo, and Kwanro is undoubtedly performing a LOT better than Savior (Kwanro is currently a top tier Zerg, even though he had a pretty shitty weekend against KHAN).
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Roffles
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On July 30 2009 01:30 iPF[Div] wrote:
Why do so many people think that lomo is going to win? He's terrible and is playing his worst mu vs skyhigh who is a fucking beast and playing his best mu.
He's not, and he's not favored to win either. He has a shot like every player when they step up to play, but his chances based on past performances are low.
But shit happens, and upsets occur frequently, so it's a matter of who show up to play. Odin had some god awful stats before he CRUSHED Iris. It's really anyone's game. Even Jaedong loses time to time.
That being said, if Jaedong beats Effort and someone else besides Backho can win, OZ should be able to pick up a day win. Super Ace benefits Jaedong quite a bit. Neo Medusa's a good map for him.
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Yup. I think Backho/Jaedong have a great shot at picking up their wins, it's just everyone else that has to combine for ONE win to take it to Super Ace giving Oz a chance. I think Hiya has the best shot at it. Of course if Jaedong or Backho loses it's probably over for Oz.
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Despite losing 2-0 to Effort, Jaedong did gather some valuable intelligence about Effort's play-style vs. Jaedong. Look at both games. See a pattern?
Effort doesn't want to go to Mutalisks against Jaedong. Jaedong is 3-1 against him when it gets to Mutalisk play. So all Jaedong has to do is adjust his build to more safely deliver him to a Spire. Once there, all things being equal, Jaedong has a good shot at winning.
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France119 Posts
lomo has a clear same lvl tvt than skyhigh right now . win over fantasy nada and shine of his map . he is getting better and better this times so i think he should win .
about jaedong vs effort , if we follow your theory of 3 3 , so stork 9 8 bisu mean stork > bisu ?
jaedong is still a lot better than effort ESPECIALLY in zvz . and effort is not the no doubt 2nd zerg right now . i can give you others potential 2nd now : Calm , Zero , yellow[arnc] ( best zvt now ? ) and yellow arnc has now some of best zvz . u have the right to like effort as a player , but must not be subjective about him . i prefer a lot more yellow arnc zero and calm than effort , but i never think they are better than him , to be objective , i think effort will win vs calm in MSL . im biggest fan of jaedong , but i know this is still zvz and i know he can still lose to effort . but if we think objective , jaedong is the favourite . and i think u will see it in the korean bets shown in the start game . To be honest , i though OZ could only win vs khan , and i when i saw CJ advance , i though objectily CJ > OZ . but now i see the line ups , i see objectivly OZ winning . and if OZ advance in the finals , as much as i hate SKT ( fuck bisu and best ) i know SKT will really completly RAPE OZ .
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if i had to bet money, i'd say CJ.
but then again, it's hard to root for the team that beat your team.
so go OZ~
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France119 Posts
On July 30 2009 02:27 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2009 01:30 iPF[Div] wrote:
Why do so many people think that lomo is going to win? He's terrible and is playing his worst mu vs skyhigh who is a fucking beast and playing his best mu. He's not, and he's not favored to win either. He has a shot like every player when they step up to play, but his chances based on past performances are low. But shit happens, and upsets occur frequently, so it's a matter of who show up to play. Odin had some god awful stats before he CRUSHED Iris. It's really anyone's game. Even Jaedong loses time to time. That being said, if Jaedong beats Effort and someone else besides Backho can win, OZ should be able to pick up a day win. Super Ace benefits Jaedong quite a bit. Neo Medusa's a good map for him.
thanks body , that some really important thing to say about odin vs iris . one of the best games of the all playoffs .
we must not forget tha proleague is still day for every player , so everthing can happen . thats why proleague is now the most intresting league in starcraft .
even this can happen :
lomo > skyhigh
effort > jaedong
movie > hiya
perfectman > iris
snow > backho
killer > kwanro
movie > jaedong or
skyhigh > jaedong
everything is possible in proleague , dont forget that .
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CJ certainly is seen as the team with the deepest lineup and hence should be favored in a bo7 though they have only barely managed to win vs Sparkyz and Khan so Oz with what I guess could be described as shallowest depth still has a chance.
Though really Oz should have played Killer and Perfectman or whoever they planned to send out in the semis/finals out more to get more experience. Both Killer and Perfectman have less than 10 televised games played though they have been playing extensively in minor league they need more experience under pressure. So we could see some epic choking from them, though players with more experience of course still aren't immune to huge screw ups as we've seen.
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 Lomo < sKyHigh
Tough to say, but i think skyhigh is going to cheese and lomo is going to react to it, and crush skyhigh.
 Jaedong > EffOrt
Jaedongs out for blood if anything. Sorry Effort todays not your day.
HiyA <  Movie
Hiya just doesn't have the steam lately.
PerfectMan < Iris
Perfectman is going to come prepared for Iris' hyper aggressive play. Survive take it to late game and macro for the win.
BackHo > Snow
Its BackHo, as long has he dosn't do something stupid (which is likely) its going to be an easy win.
Killer - Kwanro
Kwanro has more experience, and killer is still untested in this mu.
Ace
Jaedong vs EffOrt or Movie or Iris
Sorry hes just the auto win Oz Needs
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Hiya is playing a protoss, so this game is probably Hwaseung's best hope. If BackHo takes his game, it could very well go to an ace match.
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Lomo beating SkyHigh TvT?
jeezus christ...
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Seriously guys, he can't win if we all predict that he will.
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hahaha look at Oz.. sending out basically 2 completely new pros in the playoffs.
I predict JD and backho to take their games, with one of the newbies getting a bull win.
and skyhigh is gonna roll lomo
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LOLOL
Lomo sucks 3-10
Perfectman has ZERO televised matches against T and he sucks against P
Oz is just gonna get rolledddd
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On July 30 2009 08:58 jhNz wrote:![[image loading]](http://intothesunset.kilu.de/tl/teamicons/cj.png) > ![[image loading]](http://intothesunset.kilu.de/tl/teamicons/hwaseung.png) jaedong and backho winning won't be enough to take this. and i'm not even sure if jaedong will take his match against effort. in my opinion hwaseungs roster isn't deep enough to take on cj.
Hwaseung and deep nvr go together
its supposed to be Hwaseung + one man show = Oz
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Still gun-ho about all that depth after Effort went 4-0? (Rest of the team went 3-7). Mmmmhm.
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Wooh match starts in 15 minutes! I hope Jaedong pulls an Effort in the next two days, that would be hilarious.
edit: LOL I'm an idiot it's not today..
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Hope now everyone stops predicting Effort > Jaedong. Jaedong ,Hiya/lomo and backho will win their games therefore ace (jaedong vs skyhigh probably), whoever wins this ace, wins the whole match. Day 2 is CJ of course. Then super ace. Jaedong awesome under pressure. Next.
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Oz will win because movie will do a cointoss and the coin lands on the epic pwnage side.
he'll make warbringers and pwn JD's ass 
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EPT
