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[SPL] Playoffs - Hwaseung Oz vs CJ Entus Day 1 - Page 85

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mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
August 01 2009 17:15 GMT
#1681
I'd only really recommend the Perfectman v Iris for the reaver micro, other games yea... nothing to see lol
Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-01 17:19:43
August 01 2009 17:19 GMT
#1682
Edit: nvm.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
August 01 2009 17:24 GMT
#1683
On August 02 2009 02:07 MuffinDude wrote:
Not too surprising, iris never impressed me. Beating go.go once fbh once in this playoffs. If iris was really that good, his only wins wouldn't be from a mid-a ranked go.go and a fbh that sucked.


Yeah, if Iris was any good he'd have recent wins against people like Bisu and Effort.... oh wait.

Iris is the fucking man, and is easily an A-class terran right behind Flash and Fantasy.
May the BeSt man win.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8173 Posts
August 01 2009 17:39 GMT
#1684
On August 01 2009 22:03 konadora wrote:
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On August 01 2009 20:38 poilord wrote:
oh my god, 4-1 is pretty painful... Is op true insofar as there are no recommended games to watch?
My poor fanboy heart.

after discussing a bit a few others and I came to a conclusion that all the games weren't that good


oh come on backho vs snow was awesome
Free Palestine
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
August 01 2009 17:46 GMT
#1685
On August 02 2009 02:24 Djabanete wrote:
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On August 02 2009 02:07 MuffinDude wrote:
Not too surprising, iris never impressed me. Beating go.go once fbh once in this playoffs. If iris was really that good, his only wins wouldn't be from a mid-a ranked go.go and a fbh that sucked.


Yeah, if Iris was any good he'd have recent wins against people like Bisu and Effort.... oh wait.

Iris is the fucking man, and is easily an A-class terran right behind Flash and Fantasy.


Right now I'd put Iris on par with go.go. Both excel in strategies who can easily gets raped in straight-up games.

He was in trouble once he decided to go with the 1-Fact into expansion build. That's the type of BO Flash should use, not Iris.
Meh
Gormaol
Profile Joined July 2009
United States27 Posts
August 01 2009 19:25 GMT
#1686
On August 01 2009 14:43 Clasic wrote:
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On August 01 2009 14:43 LosingID8 wrote:
PERFECTMAN JOINED UNDER UDP LAN SETTING INSTEAD OF IPX, WHICH IS WHY THE GAME WASN'T STARTING

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL


ROFLMAO ARE YOU SERIOUS?

This guy is gonna get OWNED


I like how some people were giving perfectman shit for that Eat those words, EAT THEM!!! MMM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM!!!!!
Kreedit
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden373 Posts
August 01 2009 19:33 GMT
#1687
I love you oz thx for the hilarious trashing of cj.

Always feels good when the team/player with some of the most rabid/obnoxious fans takes it up in the bum by the underdogs.

Ofcourse there is always day 2 but does anyone honestly belive that cj got someone whos capable of taking jaedong in super ace?
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
August 01 2009 20:36 GMT
#1688
I just watched the games. I have to say that Oz certainly didn't steal any wins. They just outperformed CJ. If they take the second series tonight, it is a fully earned victory.

Of course, I'm hoping that CJ pulls off one of their regular comeback victories.

O, and Jaedong looked fucking scary against Effort there. That death glare was one thing, but right alongside that was the fact that every single Zergling Effort sent out just melted to Jaedong's micro. It was painful, but awesome at the same time. I wish he was on CJ so that I didn't feel conflicted every time I watched him dominate somebody from the team.
Think. :)
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-01 20:49:48
August 01 2009 20:48 GMT
#1689
I really think this will be hard to watch. I'll see what I can do.
Maybe I'll just watch the SkyHigh one.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
August 01 2009 22:04 GMT
#1690
On August 01 2009 20:38 poilord wrote:
oh my god, 4-1 is pretty painful... Is op true insofar as there are no recommended games to watch?
My poor fanboy heart.


It depends. Game 1 was an interesting excercise in two players cheesing at each other, failing their respective cheese, then devolved into Lomo failing.

Game 2 was rape. If you like to see Jaedong in Jaedong Smash! mode, there you go. BTW, Jaedong sports his "look of death", so avoid it if you want to avoid being killed by his stare.

Game 3 was kinda nice. Hiya had a good play against Movie (alternative interpretation: Movie decided to clump all his arbiters together to make it easier for Hiya to EMP them in one shot), then Movie got rolled up like a scroll.

Game 4 was a textbook example of a prepared snipe build. He struck exactly at the right place, right time, with the right units, and a strong display of his Reaver micro skills. Iris was dead before he knew what hit him.

Game 5 was a textbook example of a noob getting cheesed.

It depends on what you like to see. Game 3 went on for a while, but Movie's stupid Aribter play screwed up any hope for "epicness". None of the games were epic by any definition, but if you like early-game shenanigans (and I know I do), you'd be happy with several of these games.
So you know, cats are interesting. They are kind of like girls. If they come up and talk to you, it's great. But if you try to talk to them, it doesn't always go so well. - Shigeru Miyamoto
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
August 01 2009 23:34 GMT
#1691
Game 5, I recommend. Good example of PvP 101.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
August 02 2009 01:52 GMT
#1692
On August 02 2009 00:50 Avidkeystamper wrote:
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On August 02 2009 00:32 JWD wrote:
Considering how much more time seeded teams have to practice than their "challengers", this PL playoff format is especially brutal for CJ. This result isn't very surprising considering Oz has been focusing exclusively on this match for weeks.

Khan and CJ are vastly different teams and the maps are the same. I don't see how this would give Oz more practice time other than burnout.

Oz won due to their superior team depth, clearly.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
August 02 2009 02:03 GMT
#1693
oz won due to everyone on CJ sucking badly
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
August 02 2009 23:44 GMT
#1694
On August 01 2009 19:35 baubo wrote:
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On August 01 2009 19:09 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote:
hey guys, i missed the live stream but i don't want to watch all the games
are there any particularly interesting ones?


You mean long, back and forth macro wars? Then no. Most games were pretty clean cut.

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On August 01 2009 16:45 OneOther wrote:
On August 01 2009 16:40 baubo wrote:
On August 01 2009 16:32 OneOther wrote:
:O Colosseum is pretty damn balanced PvT


I beg to differ. Terrans are pretty much limited to 3 bases given how far the 4th is. While protoss can expand all over the place while recalling, to abuse terran's lack of mobility. Plus it's always a bit problematic when you can't expand in the path of your push.

Terran gets 3 bases really easily and super fast upgrades. The bases are also easy to defend against recalls. It doesn't matter how much Protoss can expand. If they don't execute the first attack flawlessly with perfect Arbiter and HT usage, they lose. It's a balanced map for that reason; Terran can pump a shitload of units off three bases and doesn't need a fourth base until later.


When I say a protoss can abuse recalls, I meant AFTER they've already pushed out. If the terran leave enough units behind for recall purposes, then they're already screwed.

The first attack the protoss doesn't really have to "win". You're making it sound like the protoss has to break the first push emphatically or something. At the time when Hiya pushed out, it was 4 base vs 2 base(Hiya's main was just mined out when he pushed). When the protoss have twice the economy, you can afford to lose a lot of units. You just can't lose the first battle so badly the terran can just a-move into your main. Which is what Movie did.

yeah that's what pvt on colosseum comes down to, and why the map is balanced. Protoss has to do pretty damn well on the first attack to cut down the Terran army pretty drastically, or else the left over army + heavy vulture reinformcenet will you over. it's hard to recall vs a good terran after the push begins. (on this map)
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