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[SPL] Playoffs - Hwaseung Oz vs CJ Entus Day 1 - Page 7

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Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
July 28 2009 00:38 GMT
#121
Lomo > Skyhigh
Jaedong > Effort
Hiya > Movie
PerfectMan < Iris
BackHo > Snow

If the match makes it to Killer vs Kwanro I expect Killer will win as well. Since CJ could realistically take any of those 4 sets I guess that wouldn't be altogether surprising. Oz 4-1 or 4-2.
BW forever || Thall
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
July 28 2009 01:42 GMT
#122
Playoffs logic go.go
Oz has a decent shot of taking this, more than I would've give them before I saw the lineups.
That said...CJ's a bunch of fucking skilless newbies. OZ will pwn them!
Jaedong
Dice
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)926 Posts
July 28 2009 03:21 GMT
#123
On July 28 2009 10:42 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Playoffs logic go.go
Oz has a decent shot of taking this, more than I would've give them before I saw the lineups.
That said...CJ's a bunch of fucking skilless newbies. OZ will pwn them!

+1
ActualSteve
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States627 Posts
July 28 2009 03:31 GMT
#124
I want Hwaseung to win.
I know that CJ will.
You are now breathing manually.
thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
July 28 2009 03:35 GMT
#125
lol the lecaf team
hahahaha the team with the least depth

its just jaedong winning, hoping one of their players gets lucky and wins, and jaedong winning the ace match

its either a 3-2 win for lecaf or a 3-1 loss
the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
July 28 2009 03:36 GMT
#126
im also curious why snow is playing
the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
July 28 2009 03:36 GMT
#127
On July 28 2009 12:35 thestool91 wrote:
lol the lecaf team
hahahaha the team with the least depth

its just jaedong winning, hoping one of their players gets lucky and wins, and jaedong winning the ace match

its either a 3-2 win for lecaf or a 3-1 loss

This is pretty funny coming from a KT fan.
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thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
July 28 2009 03:40 GMT
#128
On July 28 2009 12:36 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2009 12:35 thestool91 wrote:
lol the lecaf team
hahahaha the team with the least depth

its just jaedong winning, hoping one of their players gets lucky and wins, and jaedong winning the ace match

its either a 3-2 win for lecaf or a 3-1 loss

This is pretty funny coming from a KT fan.


i really enjoy their matches that not only involve flash, but games that involve violet, 815, and the hoejja/forgg/luxury combo

statistically the best combo imo, but definitely doesnt live up to its standards.
still a well rounded team especially for a b07
the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
July 28 2009 03:47 GMT
#129
On July 28 2009 12:35 thestool91 wrote:
lol the lecaf team
hahahaha the team with the least depth

its just jaedong winning, hoping one of their players gets lucky and wins, and jaedong winning the ace match

its either a 3-2 win for lecaf or a 3-1 loss


it's a bo7, I think you mean a 4-1 win (which is near impossible) or a 4-1 loss (very likely)

parentheses are my opinions
thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
July 28 2009 03:50 GMT
#130
On July 28 2009 12:47 Perguvious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2009 12:35 thestool91 wrote:
lol the lecaf team
hahahaha the team with the least depth

its just jaedong winning, hoping one of their players gets lucky and wins, and jaedong winning the ace match

its either a 3-2 win for lecaf or a 3-1 loss


it's a bo7, I think you mean a 4-1 win (which is near impossible) or a 4-1 loss (very likely)

parentheses are my opinions


o sorry i wasnt clear i was just stating wht happens to lecaf in the bo5 proleague format before playoffs
the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-28 03:54:34
July 28 2009 03:53 GMT
#131
Interesting. This thread has even worse predictions than the CJ vs Khan thread because people either have no fucking clue about the players they are predicting or they really are talking out of their ass.

About Hiya: don't be surprised if he comes out of his little slump and does well. Yea Movie is beastly at times and I think Hiya is overrated but he isn't some B-Team Terran. Remember he was very valuable during the regular season.

Jaedong vs Effort: If Jaedong wins, Oz still has a hole to climb out of with Iris and Kwanro going against 2 players they pretty much will mop the floor with. Backho will beat snow. This means that Jaedong winning + Backho NEEDS Hiya or Lomo (lol) to win for a chance at Ace. If Jaedong loses the match is lost period. Lomo/Hiya/Killer/Perfectman combining for 3 wins would be a MAJOR upset. Even after all of this they'd still have to have Jaedong win the Ace match.

This is a very tough Day for Oz but weirder things have happened this playoffs. Funnily enough it's always gone CJ's way.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
July 28 2009 03:57 GMT
#132
I think everyone overestimates CJ.
CJ really DOESN'T have that strong of a lineup. Just Iris and Effort. Oz has Jaedong.

Movie, Snow, Kwanro, and Skyhigh seem to be good, but they really aren't that all much better than Backho, HiyA, Lomo, and Killer.

Everyone always sees Oz as the team who always loses 1-3 because Jaedong is the only one who can win, but that was really only for one period in time. Oz took out STX without going to the Ace match.

CJ of course is the overall favorite here, but I can't see them winning with something other than 4-2 or 4-3 if they win at all.
Oz, has great chances in the first round, and isn't necesarily fucked in the 2nd.

I wouldn't be suprised AT ALL if Jaedong lost and Oz won(as absurb as this sounds).
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
July 28 2009 04:02 GMT
#133
Unless Skyhigh chokes, Movie goes into off and on baddie movie, and JD beats effort then its all over. Iris is a level above Hiya, I think.
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thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
July 28 2009 04:03 GMT
#134
On July 28 2009 12:57 tobi9999 wrote:
I think everyone overestimates CJ.
CJ really DOESN'T have that strong of a lineup. Just Iris and Effort. Oz has Jaedong.

Movie, Snow, Kwanro, and Skyhigh seem to be good, but they really aren't that all much better than Backho, HiyA, Lomo, and Killer.

Everyone always sees Oz as the team who always loses 1-3 because Jaedong is the only one who can win, but that was really only for one period in time. Oz took out STX without going to the Ace match.

CJ of course is the overall favorite here, but I can't see them winning with something other than 4-2 or 4-3 if they win at all.
Oz, has great chances in the first round, and isn't necesarily fucked in the 2nd.

I wouldn't be suprised AT ALL if Jaedong lost and Oz won(as absurb as this sounds).


but its like no one is saying oz is ALWAYS 3-1 loss or 3-2 win. anything can happen. heck they even 3-0ed ktf once. nothing is constant in sc because the level of competitiveness and skill is close in the pro level.
im
the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-28 04:06:46
July 28 2009 04:06 GMT
#135
Well, Oz usually performs well against certain teams and not so well against others in spite of what it looks on paper.
Against KTF, SKT, and CJ they usually perform better than people expect.
On the other hand, they usually drop the ball vs eSTRO and Stars. They also have trouble with Khan.
And they usually 3-2 Hite and 3-0 Ace.
Jaedong
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
July 28 2009 04:10 GMT
#136
I honestly don't see Snow winning.

4-2 CJ
the throws never bothered me anyway
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
July 28 2009 05:37 GMT
#137
Movie, Snow, Kwanro, and Skyhigh seem to be good, but they really aren't that all much better than Backho, HiyA, Lomo, and Killer.


Please. I'd take Movie, Kwanro and SkyHigh over any of those four on OZ. SkyHigh is more consistent than Hiya and has better stats for his matchups (except vP). Lomo and BackHo are less consistent than Kwanro or Movie.

This set is really OZ's biggest chance. They need to win one set to force a Super Ace match. And they lucked out with Effort drawing the one person he is least likely to win against. Even so, Lomo or Hiya (or maybe Killer, if it comes to it) has to step up and win a match that they ought to lose. The matchups in the next set aren't so good for OZ.

The only good thing that OZ has going into this match is that SkyHigh and Kwanro are coming off of a really bad week. They both failed miserably vs. Khan.
So you know, cats are interesting. They are kind of like girls. If they come up and talk to you, it's great. But if you try to talk to them, it doesn't always go so well. - Shigeru Miyamoto
Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
July 28 2009 05:51 GMT
#138
This is looking tough for OZ. )=
dcberkeley
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada844 Posts
July 28 2009 05:58 GMT
#139
On July 28 2009 14:37 NicolBolas wrote:
Show nested quote +
Movie, Snow, Kwanro, and Skyhigh seem to be good, but they really aren't that all much better than Backho, HiyA, Lomo, and Killer.


Please. I'd take Movie, Kwanro and SkyHigh over any of those four on OZ. SkyHigh is more consistent than Hiya and has better stats for his matchups (except vP). Lomo and BackHo are less consistent than Kwanro or Movie.

This set is really OZ's biggest chance. They need to win one set to force a Super Ace match. And they lucked out with Effort drawing the one person he is least likely to win against. Even so, Lomo or Hiya (or maybe Killer, if it comes to it) has to step up and win a match that they ought to lose. The matchups in the next set aren't so good for OZ.

The only good thing that OZ has going into this match is that SkyHigh and Kwanro are coming off of a really bad week. They both failed miserably vs. Khan.

Meh. These are the playoffs and Miracle showed us that preparation can elevate your game.

Kwanro has to practice for the MSL Quarters two days before the PL and he has shown pretty poor performance last week.

Movie can be just terrible at times, especially when his team isn't relying on him to win.

Overall, I think that people's predictions can be too skewed towards the theoretical. Remember v. Samsung Day One and v. Samsung Day Two, nearly nobody got it right because they only predicted using name recognition.
Moktira is da bomb
Oedi
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada265 Posts
July 28 2009 08:40 GMT
#140
On July 27 2009 21:51 JohnColtrane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2009 21:41 Oedi wrote:
lomo < skyhigh
jaedong > effort
hiya > movie
perfectman < iris
backho > snow
killer < kwanro

jaedong > effort

This is how i see going down too.

hiya, JD, and backho play their best MU's. Killer is the wild card just because he practices zvj.


great prediction btw


You too looks like our fantasy teams will be sick.
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