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Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
June 07 2009 06:50 GMT
#1301
On June 07 2009 15:50 Aurioch wrote:
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On June 07 2009 15:49 Fr33t wrote:
On June 07 2009 15:47 Aurioch wrote:
For all those who cries about map imba or map not imba, I think at these guys' level, map wouldn't be the x-factor anymore

Uh...wut? Skill level has nothing anything to do with map imbalances. Nice try though

You're completely missing the point....

Uh...wut?
"Wow you could literally transport Lomo's face to a girl and the result would be pretty deceptive."
Weryeery
Profile Joined June 2008
288 Posts
June 07 2009 06:50 GMT
#1302
Bisu have not outplyed JD, he was just losing obs left and right.
Some lucky shots from goons on scourge in the last battle won him the game.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
June 07 2009 06:50 GMT
#1303
On June 07 2009 15:50 LunarDestiny wrote:
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On June 07 2009 15:47 Aurioch wrote:
For all those who cries about map imba or map not imba, I think at these guys' level, map wouldn't be the x-factor anymore


Of course map is a factor at their level. To exagerate the map imba a bit: Can Bisu beat jaedong on battle royal?


Fanboys are going to say yes.
Jaedong :3
OmegaFang
Profile Joined May 2008
United States156 Posts
June 07 2009 06:50 GMT
#1304
On June 07 2009 15:45 disciple wrote:
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On June 07 2009 15:43 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On June 07 2009 15:43 boxxyownz wrote:
protoss favored map ftw!

bisu fanboys go wild!


hey, bisu defeated JD on 30% pvz map (neo harmony) GG, KTY outplayed Jaedong pretty badly


This
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
June 07 2009 06:50 GMT
#1305
Nal_ra explaining something to the other commentators I hope it's something linked to Bisu vs Jaedong. I can only hope he makes another one of his analysis.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
June 07 2009 06:50 GMT
#1306
On June 07 2009 15:34 GTR wrote:
chinese guy is hilariously excited

I laughed so hard when the chinese guy did his STOOOOORM-shout at the first clash. His voice broke so hard
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
Random_0
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1163 Posts
June 07 2009 06:51 GMT
#1307
Highly enjoyable game. PvZ Starcraft played at the highest level, with big stakes.
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
June 07 2009 06:51 GMT
#1308
On June 07 2009 15:50 LunarDestiny wrote:
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On June 07 2009 15:47 Aurioch wrote:
For all those who cries about map imba or map not imba, I think at these guys' level, map wouldn't be the x-factor anymore


Of course map is a factor at their level. To exagerate the map imba a bit: Can Bisu beat jaedong on battle royal?


Or Gods Garden =P
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-07 06:51:45
June 07 2009 06:51 GMT
#1309
just keep in mind that jaedong:
lost 4 overlords
let 2nd probe in
got his mutas stormed for a bit too long
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
June 07 2009 06:51 GMT
#1310
On June 07 2009 15:49 Avidkeystamper wrote:
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On June 07 2009 15:47 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Game wasn't decided by map imbalance, it was the mutas getting stormed and being too damaged to take out enough templars. Bisu's first push would look the same on any map, and this time it took out Jaedong's new 4th and all his hydras. The only thing the map did was turn a 5% chance to comeback into a 0% after the first big clash.

No, it forced Jaedong to go for a less economical build. Btw, I'm not trying to take credit away from Bisu, but the map is imbalanced and its foolhardy to deny it. This is still a legitimate win.


You don't know what you're talking about. Jaedong's build was exactly the same as he plays on any other map. 3 hatch lair -> 5 hatch hydra -> muta switch to snipe templars. Jaedong doesn't take a quick 4th on any other map before Bisu's push timing. He also didn't cut drones or play less economically up to the first engagement which decided the game.
日本語が分かりますか
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
June 07 2009 06:51 GMT
#1311
Keep in mind...this is Bisu's best matchup versus JAedongs worst
Jaedong :3
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
June 07 2009 06:51 GMT
#1312
On June 07 2009 15:49 AttackZerg wrote:
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On June 07 2009 15:45 OneOther wrote:
On June 07 2009 15:44 scwizard wrote:
On June 07 2009 15:43 OneOther wrote:
On June 07 2009 15:42 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On June 07 2009 15:41 JWD wrote:
GGGGGGGGGGG

FANGIRLS CREAM THEMSELVES

BISU: TOO STRONG


Because he could win on a quite imbalanced map? Clearly overpowering.

you serious? bisu outplayed jaedong that game, simple and easy. the map played a negligible part

I wouldn't call the map "negligible", but Bisu did outplay Jaedong.

i don't see why jaedong lost other than his mutas failing. jaedong needed to defend the ramp that leads to his fourth base, and he failed to do that because of failed mutas



Bisu is a master of beating predictable zergs. He gave jaedong all the go aheads to make muta aka few sair and a couple early dt. So jaedong produced mutas when he needed to add evos and lings. Goon/templar then adding zealot/archon + a sair here and there, really really takes advantage of a super early muta tech in 5 hat. Bisu really outplayed jaedong with his initial unit composition. I liked it alot =).


I like this analysis
Writerptrk
x89titan
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Philippines1130 Posts
June 07 2009 06:51 GMT
#1313
ges jd is gona win the osl now lolololol
Heaven came down and glory filled my soul, when at the cross the Savior made me whole
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
June 07 2009 06:51 GMT
#1314
On June 07 2009 15:48 konadora wrote:
Bisu bonjwa no doubt


Clearly

Bisu played well in that game, I'm sure Jaedong isn't satisfied with his performance there so maybe we'll see him training extra hard in ZvP in the weeks to come.
BW forever || Thall
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 07 2009 06:51 GMT
#1315
On June 07 2009 15:50 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 15:46 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On June 07 2009 15:43 OneOther wrote:
On June 07 2009 15:42 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On June 07 2009 15:41 JWD wrote:
GGGGGGGGGGG

FANGIRLS CREAM THEMSELVES

BISU: TOO STRONG


Because he could win on a quite imbalanced map? Clearly overpowering.

you serious? bisu outplayed jaedong that game, simple and easy. the map played a negligible part

and i am saying this is a stork/jangbi fan who hates bisu as much as anyone. dont even wanna start how many titles bisu took away from them


The map wasn't "negligible" it played a big part in it.

Did Bisu play better? Sure. Is he "overpowering" and "the next bonjwa" like some of the retards in this thread are claiming (no offense JWD, your comment just happened to be the one I saw when I posted)? No.

ok i understand where you are coming from, but i still fail to see how the map played a big part of the game. jaedong made mutas to snipe templars, failed to do that very well, and got rolled afterwards. why does it matter how hard the fourth base is to defend? no maps allow zerg to defend four bases from one location.

Hey, I haven't responded to OneOther in quite some time. Let's hope this doesn't get ugly.
"Okay, Jaedong lost a lot of overlords since his spire was late. This was because of his overpool as opposed to a normal 12 hatch. However, a 12 hatch is suicidal on this map for zergs since the other races can box them in using the choke. "
Jaedong
Deleted User 37864
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
780 Posts
June 07 2009 06:52 GMT
#1316
1. JD lost like what? 4-5 overlords to Bisu's corsairs
2. JD made mutas to try to snipe HTs but they got stormed TWICE... so that made them really weak

^-- those two things had nothing to do with map imbalance

after those two things, bisu was just ahead and he rode the momentum and played nicely with little to no mistake (except those constant observer snipes)
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
June 07 2009 06:52 GMT
#1317
On June 07 2009 15:46 SilentNoodle wrote:
the storms won it for bisu! o:


Yeah I'm kinda disappointed the whole game came down to a couple psi storms from Bisu.

Once his mutas got so injured + all those goons in the army = no templar sniping => hydra genocide.

Brilliant army composition by Bisu though. And he obviously knew how to use the map to his advantage.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 07 2009 06:52 GMT
#1318
On June 07 2009 15:48 Orbifold wrote:
I am not a JD fan, but the difficult to hold 4th was the main reason he lost in that game. That's not saying it would have gone differently on a different map because of course Bisu would have also played differently. It just feels like less of a complete victory to me because of the map.

The main reason he lost was the failed templar-snipe. The map just made it so that after that failure, he had no chance.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
June 07 2009 06:52 GMT
#1319
On June 07 2009 15:51 ReketSomething wrote:
Keep in mind...this is Bisu's best matchup versus JAedongs worst

wrong. jaedong's worst is vT.. but his worst doesn't mean a shit anyway
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
June 07 2009 06:53 GMT
#1320
even before the 4th base thing (which is a map feature) a good number of things went to bisu's favor before that was even an issue

mutas doing next to nothing
letting bisu scout
not being able to snipe HTs effectively
corsairs getting 4(+)? OL kills
scourge not being that effective
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