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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 01:27:42
June 09 2009 01:27 GMT
#1561
Bisu fans: Thinks JD fans are blaming map imbalance for losing the ACE match and also being annoyingly whiny. Also very pumped that their favorite player won.

Jaedong fans: Admits the map had little relevance in the game but is annoyed at Bisu fans who refuse to acknowledge that the map is imbalanced. Annoyed that some people thinks this game proves unanimously who is a better player.

Conclusion? Everything's been said at least 10 times.
Jaedong
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
June 09 2009 02:10 GMT
#1562
GO GO BISU !
Jaedong looked so unhappy at the end
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
June 09 2009 02:44 GMT
#1563
On June 09 2009 05:28 NicolBolas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 01:13 DamageControL wrote:
I think its kind of annoying how even though this map sucks for zerg Hwaseung basically has to send out JD because he's the only one who can keep up with Bisu on OZ


Do you know anyone besides Jaedong and maybe Flash who can keep up with Bisu period? Anyone else in the entire Proscene would be an auto-lose. Go ahead and pick: Fantasy, Leta, Effort, ZerO, Stork, Jangbi, all of them would fall before Bisu. OZ was lucky to have Jaedong to put into that match.


Yeah it's true.
For some reason I though HBR was very TvP so i was like why not send out a terran...now I see I'm wrong.
Liquid | SKT
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
June 09 2009 02:48 GMT
#1564
On June 08 2009 05:40 JWD wrote:
I'm not sure whether it was verified in the post-game replay, but since I was curious I just verified myself that Jaedong did indeed cancel his spire and rebuild it. Spire build time is 75 seconds.

We see JD's spire morphing for the first time at 6:09

+ Show Spoiler [watch the VOD, at 6m9s] +

And it's still morphing at 7:34

+ Show Spoiler [watch the VOD, at 7m34s] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFDGyTLtpY#t=7m32s

! Did the commentators catch this during the game? It certainly made a difference, because if JD hadn't canceled he surely would have at least been able to save the overlord that Bisu killed in his base at around 7:41 in the VOD.

Do the Korean boards have any theories?
Liquid | SKT
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 09 2009 02:56 GMT
#1565
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=94962
On the third? (or second?) page, some people on the korean boards determined it was a mistake.
Jaedong
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
June 09 2009 03:07 GMT
#1566
Why do you idiots say the maps imba?
The only imbalance on that map is the impossible task Terrans have against Protoss.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
June 09 2009 03:09 GMT
#1567
I'm just glad we had a Jaedong vs. Bisu ACE match.

That's so cool.
sex appeal
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7699 Posts
June 09 2009 03:18 GMT
#1568
it 100% had to be a mistake. There is no type of timing that could be gained from canceling and rebuilding it. Nothing worth allowing 4 lords to die, instead of just 1 or 2.

I wonder how that happend =(
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8202 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 03:38:43
June 09 2009 03:36 GMT
#1569
On June 09 2009 05:28 NicolBolas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 01:13 DamageControL wrote:
I think its kind of annoying how even though this map sucks for zerg Hwaseung basically has to send out JD because he's the only one who can keep up with Bisu on OZ


Do you know anyone besides Jaedong and maybe Flash who can keep up with Bisu period? Anyone else in the entire Proscene would be an auto-lose. Go ahead and pick: Fantasy, Leta, Effort, ZerO, Stork, Jangbi, all of them would fall before Bisu. OZ was lucky to have Jaedong to put into that match.


Which is why Fantasy rolled Bisu 3-0 in series play recently? Or why Stork is Bisu's PvP rival... currently 8-8 and always shows close games with him? :/. Why Flash is 9-6 against Bisu?

Or why Violet beat Bisu in a long management game?

None of the players you listed is close to an auto lose vs Bisu. Bisu is a favorite in some of the matchups but auto lose? Come on. I have a feeling posts like yours are why people get so annoyed with fanboys. It's just so exaggerated.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 09 2009 03:44 GMT
#1570
I would agree except I'm still on the edge with Stork's and Jangbi's current forms. Mostly PvP.
Jaedong
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
June 09 2009 03:54 GMT
#1571
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95053

Proof that Jaedong cancelled his spire accidentally.
POGGERS
eci
Profile Joined July 2008
Germany45 Posts
June 09 2009 10:20 GMT
#1572
Bisu is a better than _everybody_ at the moment. Even Jaedong is an auto-loss vs Bisu.
To proof this: Jaedong lost in the ACE match, Bisu is far better.
Vorwaerts!
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
June 09 2009 11:28 GMT
#1573
On June 09 2009 10:27 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Bisu fans: Thinks JD fans are blaming map imbalance for losing the ACE match and also being annoyingly whiny.

In all fairness - looking at page 63+ in this thread, blind JD fanboys blaming map imbalance for the loss was exactly what happened and you were pretty damn convinced of it too, with your numerous posts + weak theorycraft trying to back it up

Of course by now it's been well-established that JD made a fatal mistake

Not that the claims of "this proves bisu > JD" are any better - in short this thread is a fanboy trainwreck and somehow I can't stop looking
Deleted User 37864
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
780 Posts
June 09 2009 11:30 GMT
#1574
On June 09 2009 19:20 eci wrote:
Bisu is a better than _everybody_ at the moment. Even Jaedong is an auto-loss vs Bisu.
To proof this: Jaedong lost in the ACE match, Bisu is far better.


jaedong lost mostly due to his spire cancel.. so let's not be so fanboyish here..
Solinren
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2653 Posts
June 09 2009 11:33 GMT
#1575
On June 09 2009 19:20 eci wrote:
Bisu is a better than _everybody_ at the moment. Even Jaedong is an auto-loss vs Bisu.
To proof this: Jaedong lost in the ACE match, Bisu is far better.

Do you know what you are talking about?
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 09 2009 16:01 GMT
#1576
On June 09 2009 20:28 scrubtastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 10:27 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Bisu fans: Thinks JD fans are blaming map imbalance for losing the ACE match and also being annoyingly whiny.

In all fairness - looking at page 63+ in this thread, blind JD fanboys blaming map imbalance for the loss was exactly what happened and you were pretty damn convinced of it too, with your numerous posts + weak theorycraft trying to back it up

Of course by now it's been well-established that JD made a fatal mistake

Not that the claims of "this proves bisu > JD" are any better - in short this thread is a fanboy trainwreck and somehow I can't stop looking

"blaming map imbalance for the loss was exactly what happened and you were pretty damn convinced of it too"
I already admitted the map played a negligible factor in the game at least three times different threads. What else do you want from me, man.. I was mostly posting to those people who said it was irrelevant and wasn't imbalanced and try using stats instead of actually looking at the map.
Jaedong
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