Bisu fans: Thinks JD fans are blaming map imbalance for losing the ACE match and also being annoyingly whiny. Also very pumped that their favorite player won.

Jaedong fans: Admits the map had little relevance in the game but is annoyed at Bisu fans who refuse to acknowledge that the map is imbalanced. Annoyed that some people thinks this game proves unanimously who is a better player.

Conclusion? Everything's been said at least 10 times.

T0fuuu

Australia2275 Posts

June 09 2009 02:10 GMT

#1562

GO GO BISU !
Jaedong looked so unhappy at the end

DamageControL

United States4222 Posts

June 09 2009 02:44 GMT

#1563

On June 09 2009 05:28 NicolBolas wrote:

Show nested quote +

Do you know anyone besides Jaedong and maybe Flash who can keep up with Bisu period? Anyone else in the entire Proscene would be an auto-lose. Go ahead and pick: Fantasy, Leta, Effort, ZerO, Stork, Jangbi, all of them would fall before Bisu. OZ was lucky to have Jaedong to put into that match.

Yeah it's true.
For some reason I though HBR was very TvP so i was like why not send out a terran...now I see I'm wrong.

DamageControL

United States4222 Posts

June 09 2009 02:48 GMT

#1564

On June 08 2009 05:40 JWD wrote:
I'm not sure whether it was verified in the post-game replay, but since I was curious I just verified myself that Jaedong did indeed cancel his spire and rebuild it. Spire build time is 75 seconds.

We see JD's spire morphing for the first time at 6:09

+ Show Spoiler [watch the VOD, at 6m9s] +

And it's still morphing at 7:34

+ Show Spoiler [watch the VOD, at 7m34s] +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFDGyTLtpY#t=7m32s

! Did the commentators catch this during the game? It certainly made a difference, because if JD hadn't canceled he surely would have at least been able to save the overlord that Bisu killed in his base at around 7:41 in the VOD.

Do the Korean boards have any theories?

Avidkeystamper

United States8552 Posts

June 09 2009 02:56 GMT

#1565

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=94962
On the third? (or second?) page, some people on the korean boards determined it was a mistake.

SuperJongMan

Jamaica11586 Posts

June 09 2009 03:07 GMT

#1566

Why do you idiots say the maps imba?
The only imbalance on that map is the impossible task Terrans have against Protoss.

jeddus

United States832 Posts

June 09 2009 03:09 GMT

#1567

I'm just glad we had a Jaedong vs. Bisu ACE match.

That's so cool.

AttackZerg

United States7454 Posts

June 09 2009 03:18 GMT

#1568

it 100% had to be a mistake. There is no type of timing that could be gained from canceling and rebuilding it. Nothing worth allowing 4 lords to die, instead of just 1 or 2.

I wonder how that happend =(

Vasoline73

United States7801 Posts

June 09 2009 03:36 GMT

#1569

On June 09 2009 05:28 NicolBolas wrote:

Show nested quote +

Do you know anyone besides Jaedong and maybe Flash who can keep up with Bisu period? Anyone else in the entire Proscene would be an auto-lose. Go ahead and pick: Fantasy, Leta, Effort, ZerO, Stork, Jangbi, all of them would fall before Bisu. OZ was lucky to have Jaedong to put into that match.

Which is why Fantasy rolled Bisu 3-0 in series play recently? Or why Stork is Bisu's PvP rival... currently 8-8 and always shows close games with him? :/. Why Flash is 9-6 against Bisu?

Or why Violet beat Bisu in a long management game?

None of the players you listed is close to an auto lose vs Bisu. Bisu is a favorite in some of the matchups but auto lose? Come on. I have a feeling posts like yours are why people get so annoyed with fanboys. It's just so exaggerated.

Avidkeystamper

United States8552 Posts

June 09 2009 03:44 GMT

#1570

I would agree except I'm still on the edge with Stork's and Jangbi's current forms. Mostly PvP.

konadora

Singapore66160 Posts

June 09 2009 03:54 GMT

#1571

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95053

Proof that Jaedong cancelled his spire accidentally.

eci

Germany45 Posts

June 09 2009 10:20 GMT

#1572

Bisu is a better than _everybody_ at the moment. Even Jaedong is an auto-loss vs Bisu.
To proof this: Jaedong lost in the ACE match, Bisu is far better.

scrubtastic

1166 Posts

June 09 2009 11:28 GMT

#1573

On June 09 2009 10:27 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Bisu fans: Thinks JD fans are blaming map imbalance for losing the ACE match and also being annoyingly whiny.

In all fairness - looking at page 63+ in this thread, blind JD fanboys blaming map imbalance for the loss was exactly what happened and you were pretty damn convinced of it too, with your numerous posts + weak theorycraft trying to back it up

Of course by now it's been well-established that JD made a fatal mistake

Not that the claims of "this proves bisu > JD" are any better - in short this thread is a fanboy trainwreck and somehow I can't stop looking

Deleted User 37864

780 Posts

June 09 2009 11:30 GMT

#1574

On June 09 2009 19:20 eci wrote:
Bisu is a better than _everybody_ at the moment. Even Jaedong is an auto-loss vs Bisu.
To proof this: Jaedong lost in the ACE match, Bisu is far better.

jaedong lost mostly due to his spire cancel.. so let's not be so fanboyish here..

Solinren

United States2653 Posts

June 09 2009 11:33 GMT

#1575

On June 09 2009 19:20 eci wrote:
Bisu is a better than _everybody_ at the moment. Even Jaedong is an auto-loss vs Bisu.
To proof this: Jaedong lost in the ACE match, Bisu is far better.

Do you know what you are talking about?

Avidkeystamper

United States8552 Posts

June 09 2009 16:01 GMT

#1576

On June 09 2009 20:28 scrubtastic wrote:

Show nested quote +

"blaming map imbalance for the loss was exactly what happened and you were pretty damn convinced of it too"
I already admitted the map played a negligible factor in the game at least three times different threads. What else do you want from me, man.. I was mostly posting to those people who said it was irrelevant and wasn't imbalanced and try using stats instead of actually looking at the map.