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Zeridian
Profile Joined April 2009
United States198 Posts
June 07 2009 22:34 GMT
#1521
(P)man, in no way does this put anyone over anyone. One game out of many hopefully to come. I'm glad skt won this one though, but I hope everyone will step aside for CJ.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
June 07 2009 22:35 GMT
#1522
On June 08 2009 06:16 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Good point, I'll just bide my time. I'll be back!
I should start compiling a list of why Jaedong is better than Bisu.

Reason 1: Dance skills
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 07 2009 22:37 GMT
#1523
On June 08 2009 07:34 Zeridian wrote:
(P)man, in no way does this put anyone over anyone. One game out of many hopefully to come. I'm glad skt won this one though, but I hope everyone will step aside for CJ.

lol, this has to be the most unnecessary use of TLPD-ize yet

there aren't even any playernames in your post!
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scwizard
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1195 Posts
June 07 2009 22:40 GMT
#1524
On June 08 2009 06:21 [AhunGrY]MelOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 05:40 JWD wrote:
I'm not sure whether it was verified in the post-game replay, but since I was curious I just verified myself that Jaedong did indeed cancel his spire and rebuild it. Spire build time is 75 seconds.

We see JD's spire morphing for the first time at 6:09

+ Show Spoiler [watch the VOD, at 6m9s] +

And it's still morphing at 7:34

+ Show Spoiler [watch the VOD, at 7m34s] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFDGyTLtpY#t=7m32s

! Did the commentators catch this during the game? It certainly made a difference, because if JD hadn't canceled he surely would have at least been able to save the overlord that Bisu killed in his base at around 7:41 in the VOD.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFDGyTLtpY#t=6m30s

at 6:30ish
when the goon is hitting the ov
the observer had the spire selected
which became a drone
so yeah, jaedong definitely canceled

and no, the commentators didn't catch it

Very very good catch.

Jaedong must have felt terrible after that happened.

I don't get how you cancel a spire by mistake. First Luxury did it, now Jaedong does. What gives?
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-07 22:44:56
June 07 2009 22:44 GMT
#1525
On June 08 2009 07:40 scwizard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 06:21 [AhunGrY]MelOn wrote:
On June 08 2009 05:40 JWD wrote:
I'm not sure whether it was verified in the post-game replay, but since I was curious I just verified myself that Jaedong did indeed cancel his spire and rebuild it. Spire build time is 75 seconds.

We see JD's spire morphing for the first time at 6:09

+ Show Spoiler [watch the VOD, at 6m9s] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFDGyTLtpY#t=6m9s

And it's still morphing at 7:34

+ Show Spoiler [watch the VOD, at 7m34s] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFDGyTLtpY#t=7m32s

! Did the commentators catch this during the game? It certainly made a difference, because if JD hadn't canceled he surely would have at least been able to save the overlord that Bisu killed in his base at around 7:41 in the VOD.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFDGyTLtpY#t=6m30s

at 6:30ish
when the goon is hitting the ov
the observer had the spire selected
which became a drone
so yeah, jaedong definitely canceled

and no, the commentators didn't catch it

Very very good catch.

Jaedong must have felt terrible after that happened.

I don't get how you cancel a spire by mistake. First Luxury did it, now Jaedong does. What gives?

In the VOD's comments on YouTube, someone suggested that JD canceled his spire immediately after killing Bisu's probe so that he could reclaim enough minerals to throw down two hatcheries right away (thereby fooling Bisu, who would be preparing for a faster muta harass).

Even though this strategy doesn't make much sense to me (too "cute"), especially considering JD started his spire up again almost immediately, given the timing of the probe dying and the hatcheries going down I think it's safe to say that the spire cancel was intentional. A mistake - but intentional.
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Zeridian
Profile Joined April 2009
United States198 Posts
June 07 2009 22:49 GMT
#1526
On June 08 2009 07:37 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 07:34 Zeridian wrote:
(P)man, in no way does this put anyone over anyone. One game out of many hopefully to come. I'm glad skt won this one though, but I hope everyone will step aside for CJ.

lol, this has to be the most unnecessary use of TLPD-ize yet

there aren't even any playernames in your post!

that's why it's the best!
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 07 2009 23:02 GMT
#1527
On June 08 2009 07:49 Zeridian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 07:37 JWD wrote:
On June 08 2009 07:34 Zeridian wrote:
(P)man, in no way does this put anyone over anyone. One game out of many hopefully to come. I'm glad skt won this one though, but I hope everyone will step aside for CJ.

lol, this has to be the most unnecessary use of TLPD-ize yet

there aren't even any playernames in your post!

that's why it's the (P)BeSt!

fixed
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
June 07 2009 23:33 GMT
#1528
Why does Jaedong look like the player who lost after he smashed Hyuk...?
Writerptrk
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 00:07:16
June 08 2009 00:06 GMT
#1529
On June 08 2009 08:33 ArvickHero wrote:
Why does Jaedong look like the player who lost after he smashed Hyuk...?

Because the series between SKT and Hwaseung was one of the most important sets in all R5 for the three contenders for first place, and in the deciding game, he couldn't pull through and what could've been a series that cemented Hwaseung's dominance, ended instead eating up their safety cushion and leaving them within arms reach of their challengers.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 08 2009 00:07 GMT
#1530
I don't think you read that question correctly.
Jaedong
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 08 2009 00:07 GMT
#1531
On June 08 2009 08:33 ArvickHero wrote:
Why does Jaedong look like the player who lost after he smashed Hyuk...?


It's a ZvZ. Winning those is like another day in anyone elses regular life for Jaedong.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
June 08 2009 00:08 GMT
#1532
On June 08 2009 09:07 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I don't think you read that question correctly.

If he's referring to the end of Hyuk vs. Jaedong... then I've no idea :p
Go here http://vina.biobiochile.cl/ and input the Konami Code (up up down down left right left right B A)
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
June 08 2009 00:10 GMT
#1533
There shouldn't had been an ACE match in the first place. Backho failed big time. Everything was set up for Backho to win. PvT on God's Garden!!! Diagonal position! Not to mention his opponent was Canata, not Fantasy. Just play standard and win instead of trying to be cute. Backho was given a "free" win, but didn't want to take it
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Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
June 08 2009 00:15 GMT
#1534
On June 08 2009 09:10 [X]Ken_D wrote:
There shouldn't had been an ACE match in the first place. Backho failed big time. Everything was set up for Backho to win. PvT on God's Garden!!! Diagonal position! Not to mention his opponent was Canata, not Fantasy. Just play standard and win instead of trying to be cute. Backho was given a "free" win, but didn't want to take it

I wouldn't call it a free win and a huge failure from Backho. Canata going wraiths and scanning his two speed shuttles as they're leaving the base looked to me like the reason Backho lost, rather than an epic failure on his side.
Go here http://vina.biobiochile.cl/ and input the Konami Code (up up down down left right left right B A)
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
June 08 2009 00:28 GMT
#1535
Holy fuck i had to miss these games, but just finished watching vods.Man Bisu is just at another level @ SC, at least in PvZ.Ace game was so intense~
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 08 2009 00:31 GMT
#1536
Could JD and Bisu have gotten so good that whenever they play each other, it's not as exciting since an early advantage always translates into a pretty easy win?
Jaedong
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
June 08 2009 00:38 GMT
#1537
On June 08 2009 09:28 Itachii wrote:
Holy fuck i had to miss these games, but just finished watching vods.Man Bisu is just at another level @ SC, at least in PvZ.Ace game was so intense~

Apart from not getting speed upgrade for his observers, Bisu's play in the Ace match was pretty much flawless. I couldn't believe it when his dragoons stood their ground and fought JD's hydras head-on without zealot support, but I guess I should know better than to question Bisu's judgment in PvZ.
Go here http://vina.biobiochile.cl/ and input the Konami Code (up up down down left right left right B A)
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 00:50:29
June 08 2009 00:45 GMT
#1538
On June 08 2009 09:31 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Could JD and Bisu have gotten so good that whenever they play each other, it's not as exciting since an early advantage always translates into a pretty easy win?

If you see Bisu vs. RorO on Outsider, Bisu's corsair-reaver play is pretty strong. And yet, in both games where Bisu went corsair-reaver against Jaedong in the gom special match, JD owned Bisu pretty hard.

In this Ace game, JD cancelled his spire and it ended up costing him greatly, even though we might've called it a clever mind game if this was done against another Protoss and translated into an advantage for him.

I guess you might be right- other than clever tech switches from mutas to hydras to lurkers from JD, I don't see much room for cheesy/creative play in a Bisu vs. Jaedong matchup.

EDIT: Other than Queens. I'd love to see queens in Bisu vs. Jaedong :p
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66363 Posts
June 08 2009 00:53 GMT
#1539
On June 08 2009 07:44 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 07:40 scwizard wrote:
On June 08 2009 06:21 [AhunGrY]MelOn wrote:
On June 08 2009 05:40 JWD wrote:
I'm not sure whether it was verified in the post-game replay, but since I was curious I just verified myself that Jaedong did indeed cancel his spire and rebuild it. Spire build time is 75 seconds.

We see JD's spire morphing for the first time at 6:09

+ Show Spoiler [watch the VOD, at 6m9s] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFDGyTLtpY#t=6m9s

And it's still morphing at 7:34

+ Show Spoiler [watch the VOD, at 7m34s] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFDGyTLtpY#t=7m32s

! Did the commentators catch this during the game? It certainly made a difference, because if JD hadn't canceled he surely would have at least been able to save the overlord that Bisu killed in his base at around 7:41 in the VOD.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFDGyTLtpY#t=6m30s

at 6:30ish
when the goon is hitting the ov
the observer had the spire selected
which became a drone
so yeah, jaedong definitely canceled

and no, the commentators didn't catch it

Very very good catch.

Jaedong must have felt terrible after that happened.

I don't get how you cancel a spire by mistake. First Luxury did it, now Jaedong does. What gives?

In the VOD's comments on YouTube, someone suggested that JD canceled his spire immediately after killing Bisu's probe so that he could reclaim enough minerals to throw down two hatcheries right away (thereby fooling Bisu, who would be preparing for a faster muta harass).

Even though this strategy doesn't make much sense to me (too "cute"), especially considering JD started his spire up again almost immediately, given the timing of the probe dying and the hatcheries going down I think it's safe to say that the spire cancel was intentional. A mistake - but intentional.

Totally didn't see that O.O

I think JWD explained what JD was trying to do... but I feel it's 'too cute' too =/
POGGERS
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
June 08 2009 01:27 GMT
#1540
On June 08 2009 09:15 Zato-1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 09:10 [X]Ken_D wrote:
There shouldn't had been an ACE match in the first place. Backho failed big time. Everything was set up for Backho to win. PvT on God's Garden!!! Diagonal position! Not to mention his opponent was Canata, not Fantasy. Just play standard and win instead of trying to be cute. Backho was given a "free" win, but didn't want to take it

I wouldn't call it a free win and a huge failure from Backho. Canata going wraiths and scanning his two speed shuttles as they're leaving the base looked to me like the reason Backho lost, rather than an epic failure on his side.


BackHo saw Canata's build with an observer. Seeing that, BackHo didn't have to go allin. He was in an okay position if he chosen not to attack and most likely win in a long game.
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