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n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
June 08 2009 01:38 GMT
#1541
Its okay, at least Lomo beat Fantasy, thats enough to call it the day "okay". ---- In depth analysis of n.die's post as presented by n.die; HEY everybody, forget that Jaedong lost, lets rag on Fantasy and call Lomo bonjwa
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
June 08 2009 02:04 GMT
#1542
Bisu's a pretty good player—almost as good as Violet
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
June 08 2009 02:54 GMT
#1543
On June 08 2009 09:31 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Could JD and Bisu have gotten so good that whenever they play each other, it's not as exciting since an early advantage always translates into a pretty easy win?


This is my theory.

Except that I was pretty damn excited when I watched the VOD, and I already knew who was going to win.
May the BeSt man win.
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
June 08 2009 03:04 GMT
#1544
On June 08 2009 11:54 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 09:31 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Could JD and Bisu have gotten so good that whenever they play each other, it's not as exciting since an early advantage always translates into a pretty easy win?


This is my theory.

Except that I was pretty damn excited when I watched the VOD, and I already knew who was going to win.


I got a little worried in the middle, when they sort of traded armies on the little ledge. Bisu only had a handful of units left and I thought oh shit Zerg is gonna rebuild and macro up a replacement army much faster than toss.

But somehow he managed to roll that handful of units down a hill like a snowball and it wasn't long before he got the protoss ball rolling again, alas a few obs short nevertheless.
bisu fanboy
KaRnaGe[cF]
Profile Joined September 2007
United States355 Posts
June 08 2009 03:38 GMT
#1545
I forsee JD using Queens to spawn broodling more in the future, it's gotta be more cost effective than losing all those muta and still not getting the kills on the HT.

+ Show Spoiler +
at least im hope cuz that would be cool
"We must remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school." - Athenian General Thucydides Quantum Gaming
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 03:42:47
June 08 2009 03:40 GMT
#1546
The funny thing about people complaining about that ridge leading to the third expo is that it helped JD a lot in this game. Bisu was WAY ahead, and frankly the game probably went on 5+ minutes more than it would have otherwise because JD kept repelling Bisu's attacks on that ridge and managed to keep his third/fourth alive for a little while longer.

Edit: Er, I guess it's the fourth/fifth expos actually.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 03:51:07
June 08 2009 03:47 GMT
#1547
Apparently Bisu has figured out the secret to Goons>Hydras.

First time ive ever seen goons own like that.

Edit: Simon B...the ledge had little to do with it. Jaedong just kept sniping observers.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
June 08 2009 04:05 GMT
#1548
Honestly wonder who Bisu's PvZ training partners are. Other pro-teams won't lend their players to help him train for the pro-league.
bisu fanboy
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 04:38:14
June 08 2009 04:37 GMT
#1549
On June 08 2009 04:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
woops, my bad. What I get for staying up late. Should just edit it to be 33% because that's still abysmal. I have a loopy brain that associates 33%=1/3=1:3 I guess.


You're basing it on a sample size of 12 games? Good job.

You can't tell imbalances based on such small stats. You have to look at the games themselves. In most games, the better player won, and while the map certainly isnt zerg favored (unlike many, many maps that are zerg favored vs toss) you can't say its horrifically imbalanced. A slight imbalance this way or that is a common feature of almost every map and it is NOT an excuse.

Besides, watching this game it becomes apparent that the map played only a small role in the outcome of the game.
I will eat you alive
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 08 2009 04:43 GMT
#1550
"NOT an excuse."
"Besides, watching this game it becomes apparent that the map played only a small role in the outcome of the game."
He was referring to the fact that people are denying an imbalance; he already stated the map played a minor role.
Geez, it's an endless cycle.
Jaedong
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
June 08 2009 20:28 GMT
#1551
On June 08 2009 01:13 DamageControL wrote:
I think its kind of annoying how even though this map sucks for zerg Hwaseung basically has to send out JD because he's the only one who can keep up with Bisu on OZ


Do you know anyone besides Jaedong and maybe Flash who can keep up with Bisu period? Anyone else in the entire Proscene would be an auto-lose. Go ahead and pick: Fantasy, Leta, Effort, ZerO, Stork, Jangbi, all of them would fall before Bisu. OZ was lucky to have Jaedong to put into that match.

On June 08 2009 07:32 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I would say at this current point in time their skill levels are too close to conclusively say that one is better than the other. During the beginning of 2008, Jaedong was definitively the better player, while during the fall of 08 Bisu was definitively better IMO. But now they're really close and I don't think there is a clear winner as to who is "better" right now.


Honestly, I don't care which one is better. I want the Bo5 because it would be absolutely fucking epic!
So you know, cats are interesting. They are kind of like girls. If they come up and talk to you, it's great. But if you try to talk to them, it doesn't always go so well. - Shigeru Miyamoto
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 20:45:24
June 08 2009 20:40 GMT
#1552
On June 08 2009 13:37 FieryBalrog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 04:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
woops, my bad. What I get for staying up late. Should just edit it to be 33% because that's still abysmal. I have a loopy brain that associates 33%=1/3=1:3 I guess.


You're basing it on a sample size of 12 games? Good job.

You can't tell imbalances based on such small stats. You have to look at the games themselves. In most games, the better player won, and while the map certainly isnt zerg favored (unlike many, many maps that are zerg favored vs toss) you can't say its horrifically imbalanced. A slight imbalance this way or that is a common feature of almost every map and it is NOT an excuse.

Besides, watching this game it becomes apparent that the map played only a small role in the outcome of the game.


Do you really want a long winding essay about it? That was supplemental to the point that HBR is imbalanced in protoss's favor, specifically because of storm. You'd be insane to think otherwise.

I mean it's not "this way or that" it is plain and simple fact that the map is heavily p favored.
Remember Violet.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 20:48:08
June 08 2009 20:47 GMT
#1553
The map imbalance isn't enough to bitch about.
You guys are dumbasses. Seriously.

So sincere. I'm saying you're a dumbass.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
June 08 2009 23:54 GMT
#1554
Well someone just felt like being mean today. :[
Remember Violet.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
June 08 2009 23:59 GMT
#1555
I never thought about it but actually the ppl were really pumped about this match. I checked the LR thread of the previous match where JD defeated Bisu in the ace match, and there basically the LR starts from page 2 lol, here from page 10, not to mention that right now you guys are still arguing about this damn jd vs bisu game
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Mania[K]al
Profile Joined May 2009
United States359 Posts
June 09 2009 00:45 GMT
#1556
Guys, the map is so imbalanced July had to cheat to beat Kal on it in Gom.

OHWAIT.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
June 09 2009 00:50 GMT
#1557
God it's so dumb to say that. I mean it'd be easy to point out that Kal isn't playing that great lately and that July is the big dog in ZvP, but beyond all that the map design in and of itself is imbalanced in protoss's favor and you'd be wrong to think otherwise.
Remember Violet.
NO MY LIQUIBET
Profile Joined May 2009
United States294 Posts
June 09 2009 00:55 GMT
#1558
Why are people still arguing about this?
NO MY LIQUIBET
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 00:57:12
June 09 2009 00:56 GMT
#1559
People want to insist that the map isn't imbalanced and therefore Bisu is unanimously better than Jaedong when the fact of the matter is the map's imbalance wasn't the most important part of the match up anyhow.

Folks seem to think saying HBR is highly protoss favored means I don't think Bisu played better this game when that's just not true. :x
Remember Violet.
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
June 09 2009 00:56 GMT
#1560
"Guys, it's not imbalanced, this one time a Zerg beat a Protoss on it!"

Anyway, I didn't notice that Jaedong canceled the spire. I'm only a D/D+ player and even I would never even think of doing that because of all the overlords I'd lose. I wonder what his reasoning was...
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